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Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 8 @ 1:07 PM ET
So you're telling me sv% with phaneuf on the ice rises for the leafs, and falls for the Sens while Karlsson is in the ice?

I find that very interesting. I legitimately do. I've always thought that it probably didn't differ too much among Dmen on the same team.

- prock



It's a pretty random stat that can vary season to season. Players like Kesler, O'Reilly, Toews, Weber have on-ice team save percentages compared to teammates and then guys like Ranger, Bellemore, Lovejoy, Toffoli, Bourque, Dwyer, J.Mitchell have high saver percentage rates comapred to teammates.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 8 @ 1:11 PM ET
i think that save% number dropped DRASTICALLY with the little 6 game funk by reimer.

but the save% when phaneuf is on teh ice is .925....... 11% higher then what weber gets, and 20% higher then what karlsson gets.

- sensarmy_11

But don't you think that speaks more to the defenseman's skill?

If the goalie's save % rises when that player is on the ice, doesn't it suggest that the goalie's job becomes easier?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 8 @ 3:37 PM ET
I'm not sure if it's been brought up yet, but both teams (frank)ing stink.

There, I said it.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 8 @ 4:00 PM ET
I'm not sure if it's been brought up yet, but both teams (frank)ing stink.

There, I said it.

- Pecafan Fan


The entire discussion is entirely pathetic. It seems, every year, there is a group of Leaf fans, who are intent on deflecting attention away from the failures of their own team. Last year, for obvious reasons, leaf fans were generally pretty happy. But two years ago they were making all these comparisons with Oiler players trying to demonstrate the Oilers were a worse team than the Leafs.

Now they are preoccupied with a self reflection that makes everything less bad because we have finished ahead of the Sens (maybe). Pathetic!
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 8 @ 4:24 PM ET
The entire discussion is entirely pathetic. It seems, every year, there is a group of Leaf fans, who are intent on deflecting attention away from the failures of their own team. Last year, for obvious reasons, leaf fans were generally pretty happy. But two years ago they were making all these comparisons with Oiler players trying to demonstrate the Oilers were a worse team than the Leafs.

Now they are preoccupied with a self reflection that makes everything less bad because we have finished ahead of the Sens (maybe). Pathetic!

- spatso


your sens underwear appears to be in a bunch
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 8 @ 4:33 PM ET
your sens underwear appears to be in a bunch
- senstroll



Its a topic he's suddenly trying to avoid. Funny he lived it at the beginning of the year when he was yapping about how great the Sens are.
hamiltonhabfan
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 02.17.2009

Apr 8 @ 4:34 PM ET
100+ pages to discuss who stinks more


well done
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 8 @ 4:35 PM ET
100+ pages to discuss who stinks more


well done

- hamiltonhabfan
The whole confrence sux
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Apr 8 @ 6:52 PM ET
The whole confrence sux
- top shelf 15

hey
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 7:09 PM ET
So you're telling me sv% with phaneuf on the ice rises for the leafs, and falls for the Sens while Karlsson is in the ice?

I find that very interesting. I legitimately do. I've always thought that it probably didn't differ too much among Dmen on the same team.

- prock


it doesnt' go up when he's on the ice.....the sv% numbers on your chart are for 5v5 only, while the leafs team% for for all situations.

phaneuf actually has the 4th best on the team

gunner - .937
gardiner - .939
ranger - .942

franson has the worst on the team at .909

again, only 5v5
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 7:14 PM ET
hey
- Cape Breton Bruins


bruins suck....just feasting on weak competition
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Apr 8 @ 7:16 PM ET
hey
- Cape Breton Bruins

henjoy being a part of this most exclusive club
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 8 @ 7:47 PM ET
hey
- Cape Breton Bruins

muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007

Apr 8 @ 7:53 PM ET
Oh yay, prock and gluck have a new fool to argue the same arguments with. Its only been 3 years of the same conversation over and over again
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 8 @ 8:42 PM ET
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=13&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f7=20-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67
- prock


Notice Gunnar is 2nd?


The minutes are so tough because they have to play with each other.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 9:33 PM ET
If all scores hold tonight, leafs and Sens are both going to get eliminated simultaneously.......so not much difference between the two.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 8 @ 9:35 PM ET
If all scores hold tonight, leafs and Sens are both going to get eliminated simultaneously.......so not much difference between the two.
- sensarmy_11

Oh, the Leafs are playing tonight?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 8 @ 9:36 PM ET
Oh, the Leafs are playing tonight?
- daeth


Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Apr 8 @ 10:08 PM ET
So...what about now?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 8 @ 10:12 PM ET
So...what about now?
- Pie

Leafs minus the banners
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Apr 8 @ 10:17 PM ET
Leafs minus the banners
- daeth

Lets stay on track, circa 2010 1st post

Leafs management has said all along this year not to get excited about this season, as it would be a long rebuilding phase. Ottawa on the other hand was supposed to be a good team and contend for the cup. Who's in a better spot right now?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 8 @ 10:19 PM ET
Lets stay on track, circa 2010 1st post

Leafs management has said all along this year not to get excited about this season, as it would be a long rebuilding phase. Ottawa on the other hand was supposed to be a good team and contend for the cup. Who's in a better spot right now?

- Pie

As you can see Toronto is in the middle of a long rebuilding phase and Ottawa is clearly failing to be a cup contender. That means Toronto wins.

Ottawa does have nice banners though and this is what makes things close.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Apr 9 @ 1:05 AM ET
The entire discussion is entirely pathetic. It seems, every year, there is a group of Leaf fans, who are intent on deflecting attention away from the failures of their own team. Last year, for obvious reasons, leaf fans were generally pretty happy. But two years ago they were making all these comparisons with Oiler players trying to demonstrate the Oilers were a worse team than the Leafs.

Now they are preoccupied with a self reflection that makes everything less bad because we have finished ahead of the Sens (maybe). Pathetic!

- spatso



The irony of your post is you don't want to discuss the Sens and spent the entire year avoiding it.
Admit it, you would never have appeared again after almost a year if the Leafs made the playoffs.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 9 @ 3:12 AM ET
The irony of your post is you don't want to discuss the Sens and spent the entire year avoiding it.
Admit it, you would never have appeared again after almost a year if the Leafs made the playoffs.

- RogerRoeper


I have been reasonably active on the Sens thread. I have been a strong advocate for their trading Spezza. I have not been a huge supporter of the Bobby Ryan deal. I have been strongly critical of Eugene Melnyk and the destructive pattern of his ownership.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 9 @ 8:21 AM ET
I have been reasonably active on the Sens thread. I have been a strong advocate for their trading Spezza. I have not been a huge supporter of the Bobby Ryan deal. I have been strongly critical of Eugene Melnyk and the destructive pattern of his ownership.
- spatso



last season Anderson carried the team to the playoffs on a .940 sv%
hiding a lot of issues with the team and making managment feel like the sens were a contender. It probably hurt them more than helped in the overall picture
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