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bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Dec 14 @ 10:42 AM ET
If you watch Karlsson on the goals that get scored on, you'll see that he does literally nothing to prevent them. Like again last night. He did nothing to stop the guy and the goalie had no chance.

I know Ottawa's goaltending hasn't been overly good this season (which I said would be the case before the season started, suck it again, Spazzo) but Karlsson's ineptitude defensively doesn't help them.

- GreatGigInTheSky



Totally agree.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Dec 14 @ 10:52 AM ET
If you watch Karlsson on the goals that get scored on, you'll see that he does literally nothing to prevent them. Like again last night. He did nothing to stop the guy and the goalie had no chance.

I know Ottawa's goaltending hasn't been overly good this season (which I said would be the case before the season started, suck it again, Spazzo) but Karlsson's ineptitude defensively doesn't help them.

- GreatGigInTheSky


Only 5 full-time NHL players on their team have a positive Corsi%

The team is about 50% AHL calibre players. They suck because their roster sucks. They have 8 guys on the team that will be 30 or older as of February 1st., and only 3 that will be under the age of 25.

They're toast.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Dec 14 @ 4:46 PM ET
Something I saw the other day, EK has the lowest goalie sv% while he is on the ice in the NHL for D. (or something along those lines)
So basically the goalies are sucking ass and letting in a lot of goals while he (and others) are on the ice...while he has also gone cold in the scoring department.

He is partnered with OhDOyou who I am not sure is even an NHL caliber player anymore. thats not going to help.

You can debate whether you think D can affect a goalies SV%, but the consensuses in the stats universe is they dont, at least its not something that repeats, players have low one season then high the next. you cant really see a trend with it.

Ovechkin went through something similar one season..but magically rebounded and decided to care the next season and was better on D (or at least thats what we are told)

- senstroll


I don't know man. How can poor defensive play not affect a save%. It is as intuitively wrong as saying quality of competition doesn't affect corsi.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Dec 14 @ 4:49 PM ET
I dont think anyone is saying he is great defensivley. I saw the 2 goals he was on for.
He kinda bumped grabner before letting him go by and score. Soft play for sure.

the second he kinda got caught on a 2 on 1 when the Sens player fell along the boards and let the ranger get loose. he just stood there old school table hockey game style where the players can only spin around and not move forward or back.

maybe some of his mobility is gone from his injury who knows. something is not right with him.

- senstroll


This is the reason I think Ottawa does the right thing, and trades him. I just hope it isn't Toronto that gets him for 7 or 8 years at double-digits.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 14 @ 5:07 PM ET
I don't know man. How can poor defensive play not affect a save%. It is as intuitively wrong as saying quality of competition doesn't affect corsi.
- Aetherial


i agree.

and the evidence is there. crosby is one of many examples of players that can consistently effect pdo (combined shooting and save %).
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Dec 14 @ 5:36 PM ET
I don't know man. How can poor defensive play not affect a save%. It is as intuitively wrong as saying quality of competition doesn't affect corsi.
- Aetherial



Isn't forcing shots from the outside good defensive play. Creating shots, but those that are far easier to stop. thus a better save %.

Just a thought.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 15 @ 8:45 AM ET
I don't know man. How can poor defensive play not affect a save%. It is as intuitively wrong as saying quality of competition doesn't affect corsi.
- Aetherial


yes i agree with what you are saying in the sense that looking at specific example you can say the D had an effect. But over many games or a season it doesnt seem to be a trend for players. they can be very low one season and then very high the next. Its hard to show that a player has a big effect on it one way or the other consistently

Its the same as faceoffs, one faceoff in the last 10 seconds of a game in your own zone can be important to win. winning 52% vs 48% over a season is not a big issue

Karlsson On ice Sv%

13-2014 - 91.57
14-2015 - 92.38
15-2016 - 90.96
16-2017 - 92.75
17-2018 - 86.36

this season is absurdly low..based on the last several season..its hard to say thats all his doing
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 15 @ 9:13 AM ET
i agree.

and the evidence is there. crosby is one of many examples of players that can consistently effect pdo (combined shooting and save %).

- Tumbleweed


he has consistently been above 1.00, but so far this season he is .950 (really low)

If you look at his career its odd. in 2011-12 he had an OIsh% of 15.66 and PDO of 1.067

so far this season he has an OIsh% of 3.76

I have a hard time saying he affects the sv% ..his career he has a season low of 89.56 and high of 92.91 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 15 @ 10:31 AM ET
he has consistently been above 1.00, but so far this season he is .950 (really low)

If you look at his career its odd. in 2011-12 he had an OIsh% of 15.66 and PDO of 1.067

so far this season he has an OIsh% of 3.76

I have a hard time saying he affects the sv% ..his career he has a season low of 89.56 and high of 92.91 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- senstroll


niemi really caused the pitts stats to be screwed up this year.

yeah, his impact is more in the offensive end.

but he's probably due to break out the 2nd half of this year
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:14 AM ET
The sens play by play guys talking about Grindr during the outdoor game sums up Thier season lol

Wtf
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Dec 17 @ 2:57 PM ET
yes i agree with what you are saying in the sense that looking at specific example you can say the D had an effect. But over many games or a season it doesnt seem to be a trend for players. they can be very low one season and then very high the next. Its hard to show that a player has a big effect on it one way or the other consistently

Its the same as faceoffs, one faceoff in the last 10 seconds of a game in your own zone can be important to win. winning 52% vs 48% over a season is not a big issue

Karlsson On ice Sv%

13-2014 - 91.57
14-2015 - 92.38
15-2016 - 90.96
16-2017 - 92.75
17-2018 - 86.36

this season is absurdly low..based on the last several season..its hard to say thats all his doing

- senstroll


Agreed, but it is possiible that this past 4 weeks or so have been about the worst in his career.

It is definitely not all on him though. Their goalies have been bad all by themselves.
SofaKingBored
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 10.13.2006

Dec 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
I had assumed this thread would have been abandoned by now with the answer so clear...
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 20 @ 8:23 AM ET
Good win for the leafs yesterday.


How did the sens do?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 8:29 AM ET
Good win for the leafs yesterday.


How did the sens do?

- Tumbleweed


Tried Hard?
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Dec 20 @ 9:39 AM ET
d00ps on the missing list eh? go figure.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 11:40 AM ET
The Sens giving up 109 goals in 32 games
3.40 per game

The 30th place Leafs in 2016 game up 3 per game

Oh and as per Spatso the leafs who are a disaster defensively have given up 98 in 35 games

Go Leafs... WOOO!!!
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 20 @ 11:45 AM ET
The Sens giving up 109 goals in 32 games
3.40 per game

The 30th place Leafs in 2016 game up 3 per game

Oh and as per Spatso the leafs who are a disaster defensively have given up 98 in 35 games

Go Leafs... WOOO!!!

- senstroll


harper! clayson! yaros! chablow! bestest defensivemen eva!!
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:24 PM ET
harper! clayson! yaros! chablow! bestest defensivemen eva!!
- Tumbleweed


I didnt realize the sens were up 3-1 half way through the game last night
I turned on the radio and it was 6-3

Its pretty amazing that basically everything Spatso and Dopps criticized/made fun of the Leafs for Last season (blowing leads, Loser points and bad D) the sens are this season

oh and to top it off the Leafs were actually a good team and made the playoffs.. the Sens are a flaming dumpster fire
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 20 @ 12:30 PM ET
I didnt realize the sens were up 3-1 half way through the game last night
I turned on the radio and it was 6-3

Its pretty amazing that basically everything Spatso and Dopps criticized/made fun of the Leafs for Last season (blowing leads, Loser points and bad D) the sens are this season

oh and to top it off the Leafs were actually a good team and made the playoffs.. the Sens are a flaming dumpster fire

- senstroll


phauef is a warrior

snes are going places
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:48 PM ET
phauef is a warrior

snes are going places

- Tumbleweed



Shawn Simpson‏ @TSNSimmer
The Phaneuf situation sums up Sens management. Ship out bad money created by hockey ops. Bring back a terrible contract and player in decline. As a result they lose Methot in expansion. Now paying 9 million Canadian for a player that can barely play in today's NHL.


No Doubt
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Dec 20 @ 1:40 PM ET
No Doubt
- senstroll


That assessment of the Phaneuf situation is 100% accurate and very painful for Sens fans.

I feel badly for them.

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 2:52 PM ET
That assessment of the Phaneuf situation is 100% accurate and very painful for Sens fans.

I feel badly for them.


- Aetherial


Let look in on SPatso

via GIPHY

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 3:24 PM ET
more Sens Fodder

https://yosttravis.tumblr...st/168743218856/cash-poor

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Dec 20 @ 6:43 PM ET
Let look in on SPatso

via GIPHY


- senstroll



twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Dec 20 @ 7:00 PM ET
life is great. Even UG is being a great poster
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