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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:04 PM ET
Seriously?
- walshyleafsfan


i feel shame
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:07 PM ET


just stop and accept you're too stupid to get it.

i am genuinely starting to feel bad for you.

- Tumbleweed


I understand. Denial is not telling lies to others. It is internalizing the lies so you actually believe what you want to believe. So, even thought the numbers paint an entirely different result you just tell yourself that the Sens are old and Leafs are young.

Groupthink is where denial becomes entrenched wishing a culture or environment and reinforces beliefs or a set of beliefs that are not consistent with factual reality. The Leafs are the 12th oldest team in the NHL.

Deal with it.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:08 PM ET
I understand. Denial is not telling lies to others. It is internalizing the lies so you actually believe what you want to believe. So, even thought the numbers paint an entirely different result you just tell yourself that the Sens are old and Leafs are young.

Groupthink is where denial becomes entrenched wishing a culture or environment and reinforces beliefs or a set of beliefs that are not consistent with factual reality. The Leafs are the 12th oldest team in the NHL.

Deal with it.

- spatso





cancel the rebuild. the leafs are too old
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:17 PM ET


cancel the rebuild. the leafs are too old

- Tumbleweed



This is not all that important. But it is a teaching moment.

Leaf fans and especially the media streams a consciousness that is actually different than reality.

When reality does intrude into the day, it can be emotionally painful.

Be careful not to believe what is primarily triumphal hype. It is the disease of choice for many Leaf supporters.

A huge majority of hockey fans in Canada love to cheer against the Leafs and, perhaps, we take too much glee in watching multiple collapses. We don't know how it is actually going to happen but we are keen in anticipation waiting for the inevitable fail that is the history of MLSE and the Leafs.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the arena with no parking
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:19 PM ET
Sens played another nice game. They are hanging in pretty strong.

The young guys getting lots of ice time. Claesson played 26 minutes, Ceci played 23 minutes. Chabot played a solid game and was on the ice for a large part of overtime. Jaros is a huge hitter.

TSN did a short commentary on all the young D men in the Sens system. All things considered, season has started on a solid footing.

- spatso

did all 19 people actually stay overnight?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:20 PM ET
This is not all that important. But it is a teaching moment.

Leaf fans and especially the media streams a consciousness that is actually different than reality.

When reality does intrude into the day, it can be emotionally painful.

Be careful not to believe what is primarily triumphal hype. It is the disease of choice for many Leaf supporters.

A huge majority of hockey fans in Canada love to cheer against the Leafs and, perhaps, we take too much glee in watching multiple collapses. We don't know how it is actually going to happen but we are keen in anticipation waiting for the inevitable fail that is the history of MLSE and the Leafs.

- spatso


yes, using an average age that inlcudes non-roster players like lupul and horton is a teaching moment.

you're such a (frank)ing idiot.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:21 PM ET
Sorry, I forgot to note that we passed 1,000 pages for this thread.

Congratulations to all of you.

I regard many of you as my closest and dearest friends.

With the Leafs playing as well as they are I expect we will hit 2,000 pages even faster.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:22 PM ET
yes, using an average age that inlcudes non-roster players like lupul and horton is a teaching moment.

you're such a (frank)ing idiot.

- Tumbleweed


Grow up sweetheart. MacArthur is on the Sens list. It is what it is.

What is wrong with you guys. You even rage against the math.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:25 PM ET
did all 19 people actually stay overnight?
- Crimsoninja


Yes. It is a huge cottage with four bedrooms and a full finished basement. Sleeping wasn't too bad. Meals had to be done in shifts. Kids first, adults second, drinkers whenever.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:28 PM ET
Grow up sweetheart. MacArthur is on the Sens list. It is what it is.

What is wrong with you guys. You even rage against the math.

- spatso


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Oct 11 @ 12:41 PM ET
Grow up sweetheart. MacArthur is on the Sens list. It is what it is.

What is wrong with you guys. You even rage against the math.

- spatso

The math is not wrong. That is the average age of the team, taking into account non-roster players.

Nobody is arguing with that.

The argument boils down to 3 key points:

1)non-roster players aren't relevant
2)this doesn't take into account importance of a player(ie 20 year old Matthews is more important than late-30s spare part Moore)
3)anyone who wasn't an idiot or troll would recognize points 1 and 2 before posting.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:44 PM ET
The math is not wrong. That is the average age of the team, taking into account non-roster players.

Nobody is arguing with that.

The argument boils down to 3 key points:

1)non-roster players aren't relevant
2)this doesn't take into account importance of a player(ie 20 year old Matthews is more important than late-30s spare part Moore)
3)anyone who wasn't an idiot or troll would recognize points 1 and 2 before posting.

- Feeling Glucky?



but typos that change results, averages that include players that don't play, and an average that values all players equally = precision!!!
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:50 PM ET
The math is not wrong. That is the average age of the team, taking into account non-roster players.

Nobody is arguing with that.

The argument boils down to 3 key points:

1)non-roster players aren't relevant
2)this doesn't take into account importance of a player(ie 20 year old Matthews is more important than late-30s spare part Moore)
3)anyone who wasn't an idiot or troll would recognize points 1 and 2 before posting.

- Feeling Glucky?



This is just more of the same kind of language saying Leafs are special, they are different. But they are not. MHL Numbers applies the numbers in the same way for each team. Leafs are 12th oldest team in NHL. And, Sens are 11th.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:52 PM ET
This is just more of the same kind of language saying Leafs are special, they are different. But they are not. MHL Numbers applies the numbers in the same way for each team. Leafs are 12th oldest team in NHL. And, Sens are 11th.
- spatso


i don't get it.

is this standings or scoreboard? or both?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:52 PM ET
but typos that change results, averages that include players that don't play, and an average that values all players equally = precision!!!
- Tumbleweed


Just another way of saying "I don't want to know about this."
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:53 PM ET
Just another way of saying "I don't want to know about this."
- spatso


don't worry. i already put in cancellation notice for the rebuild.

it'll take a couple days to process.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:55 PM ET
i don't get it.

is this standings or scoreboard? or both?

- Tumbleweed


Ah, finally.

Someone surrenders to the unreality of peripheral discourse.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 12:56 PM ET
OMG GUYS!!!

I JUST REALIZED THAT WHEN THE LEAFS SIGNED SOME VETERANS THIS SUMMER ON SHORT-TERM DEALS THAT IT CAUSED THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE TEAM TO GO UP, NOT DOWN.

IT DIDN'T GO DOWN. I AM BEING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. WHY DID NO ONE SEE THIS COMING?!?!
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 11 @ 12:59 PM ET
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 11 @ 1:00 PM ET
This is just more of the same kind of language saying Leafs are special, they are different. But they are not. MHL Numbers applies the numbers in the same way for each team. Leafs are 12th oldest team in NHL. And, Sens are 11th.
- spatso



Raise the banner
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Oct 11 @ 1:03 PM ET
This is just more of the same kind of language saying Leafs are special, they are different. But they are not. MHL Numbers applies the numbers in the same way for each team. Leafs are 12th oldest team in NHL. And, Sens are 11th.
- spatso



So for point 3, which will you admit to, idiot or troll?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 1:06 PM ET


So for point 3, which will you admit to, idiot or troll?

- Feeling Glucky?


he's an idiot troll

i use to dispute this as unreality. not anymore.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 1:07 PM ET


So for point 3, which will you admit to, idiot or troll?

- Feeling Glucky?


Ah! Great question. Mrs. Spatso regularly says that I am an idiot. Especially when it comes to my passion for hockey.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Oct 11 @ 1:08 PM ET
Ah! Great question. Mrs. Spatso regularly says that I am an idiot. Especially when it comes to my passion for hockey.
- spatso

Yes, I think we can all agree with the fictional Mrs. Spasto.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 11 @ 1:15 PM ET
Yes, I think we can all agree with the fictional Mrs. Spasto.
- Feeling Glucky?


I just told Mrs. Spatso that you thought she was fictional. She thought it was not that bad of an idea.
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