Jeremy Laura: UFA Right D, Wings at IIHF and Joe Vele - NO!!! Kicked out of tournament.

I like Severson, but you are gonna hafta give up some serios coin and term to get him.
Like 5.5-6M x 7 , I don't think that is in the Yzerplan.
Gudas and Schenn are 3rd pairing, so now you have to get another RD. Maybe get Shatty at 2 x $2.75M and Gudas at 2 x $2M
But I think a trade would be a better option then waking the thin pickings at FA. I still think Petry may be considered, but yah don't give up much to get him as he is a cap dump. Petry for Lindstrom? Sell that to Penns fans!

Gudas or Schenn.... Severson worth a look... team needs nasty, I know you hate Gudas but he provides nasty....to change the narrative of run the Wings out of the building the team needs to get tougher.....

Schenn would still be my #1 choice followed by Gudas. Schenn would be the perfect partner for Edvinsson imo. A big physical stay at home vet guy that would allow Edvinsson to join the rush more and cover for him...something Chiarot could do but instead seems to think he's Bobby Orr and he wasn't brought in to be a defenseman.

I don't think most of the high priced RHD would be worth it and i don't think they would compliment Edvinsson's game either.

Pens would have to offer up a 1st and a top prospect for me to even think about taking Petry off their hands. Wings don't need an old broken down overpriced defenseman like him just because he was born in Michigan.

Gudas or Schenn.... Severson worth a look... team needs nasty, I know you hate Gudas but he provides nasty....to change the narrative of run the Wings out of the building the team needs to get tougher.....
- angryagain

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Schenn would still be my #1 choice followed by Gudas. Schenn would be the perfect partner for Edvinsson imo. A big physical stay at home vet guy that would allow Edvinsson to join the rush more and cover for him...something Chiarot could do but instead seems to think he's Bobby Orr and he wasn't brought in to be a defenseman.

I don't think most of the high priced RHD would be worth it and i don't think they would compliment Edvinsson's game either.

Pens would have to offer up a 1st and a top prospect for me to even think about taking Petry off their hands. Wings don't need an old broken down overpriced defenseman like him just because he was born in Michigan.
- dcz28

Petry and Pens 2023 1st, we send back Veleno?

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- optimus-reim

Dude I love your name. I have the animated Transformers movie from the 80s. They killed Optimus and a kid in Michigan locked himself in a bathroom

Gudas or Schenn.... Severson worth a look... team needs nasty, I know you hate Gudas but he provides nasty....to change the narrative of run the Wings out of the building the team needs to get tougher.....
- angryagain

I definitely don’t hate Gudas. I think he’s like Perron. When he’s on your team you love him. I just think he’s almost broken down. The suck of guys who play hard is what they deal with later. I call it the “hockey shuffle”. They rock back and forth in constant pain. The other issue is, I’m thinking of a guy to skate with Simon. There are times when he’s going to overcommit to offense (learning curve) and I feel like Shattenkirk can still go with better wheels.

Now, if you’re talking 3rd pairing pk or depth from GR, maybe. I honestly love the guys that go for it (physically). Gretzky won a car at an all star event and gave it to McSorely as a thank you for years of having his back. Ironically, I think it was Marty’s stick curve that got L.A. in trouble and possibly cost them a cup. Big momentum swing

Ok, Friedman said some of the leaf players really lit into management on their way out (whoever that is, probably Shanny and the coach). If someone can find a quote from a player please make a gif and post it

I definitely don’t hate Gudas. I think he’s like Perron. When he’s on your team you love him. I just think he’s almost broken down. The suck of guys who play hard is what they deal with later. I call it the “hockey shuffle”. They rock back and forth in constant pain. The other issue is, I’m thinking of a guy to skate with Simon. There are times when he’s going to overcommit to offense (learning curve) and I feel like Shattenkirk can still go with better wheels.

Now, if you’re talking 3rd pairing pk or depth from GR, maybe. I honestly love the guys that go for it (physically). Gretzky won a car at an all star event and gave it to McSorely as a thank you for years of having his back. Ironically, I think it was Marty’s stick curve that got L.A. in trouble and possibly cost them a cup. Big momentum swing
- Jeremy Laura

A smart stay at home defenseman will see or know when Edvinsson is going to jump into the rush or pinch and back off or stay back. They don't need that much speed because they know what their role is. I get the hard miles thing but nobody is saying to sign Schenn or Gudas to long term deals, just a 1 or 2 years max deal as a stop gap. Re-evaluate that position when that contract is set to expire. If none of the prospects can take over, then you can look at the UFA market again or at a trade and hope there are better options available.

I would rather sign one of Schenn or Gudas to a cheap short term deal so we don't end up with another Chiarot that would be an expensive 3rd pair guy.

Shattenkirk has never been good defensively so pairing him with Edvinsson would probably end up like Chiarot with Seider or Hronek and force Edvinsson to play more defensively or get lit up. Just my opinion though.

Jeremy , Gretzky gave the car to Dave Semenko. McSorely indeed had the curved stick that led to the Habs PP goal which turned the series around.

Gudas or Schenn.... Severson worth a look... team needs nasty, I know you hate Gudas but he provides nasty....to change the narrative of run the Wings out of the building the team needs to get tougher.....
- angryagain

I don't have a problem signing players who play with a physical edge but not if they're so bad at everything else that they hurt the team when they're on the ice.

To me signing a guy because he's "nasty" is sort of like signing an Olympic speed skater just because he's fast. Doesn't matter if he can't pass, can't shoot, can't play D, is constantly out of position ... he's faster than everyone!

That said I actually don't think Gudas is that terrible at hockey (he used to actually be very good defensively) but I think there's just too many red flags at this point. I'm already sort of disinclined to sign one of the most reckless and undisciplined players in the league under any circumstances, but on top of that he's on the downswing, about to turn 33, and I can't imagine the switch from Florida to Detroit would do his game any favors.

Off topic, but I have really enjoyed watching Florida this playoff season. They don't have a Matthews, Marner, McDavid, or Draisaitl, as far as having a super star who can take games over when they are on, but they have a lot of really good players who work extremely hard and are built for the playoffs. To me, in the modern era, Florida is the model of a playoff team (and their core should be there for several years), and a team Detroit can emulate.

We know they aren't getting a super star in the draft without a tremendous amount of luck, if they pick higher than #9 next year, throw their whole plan out the window. They aren't getting a Bedard or anyone who will lead the way in all-star votes, so they are forced to build a team with a lot of solid players. When you look at Florida's roster, only three of their forwards were obtained in the draft (Barkov, Lundell, Denisenko). Only one of the d-men were drafted by FL and none of their goalies were. This is an assembled team of really solid, hardworking playoff performers.

Now that we've established that a playoff winning team can be built outside of the draft, the first trade they need to make is to trade their first 3 or 4 picks to the Ducks and get Fantilli. I predict he will be a Shanny / Tkachuk type player and they'll need him when they're ready to compete in the playoffs. The other building blocks can be acquired to compliment a few foundational players that have been drafted, including Cossa.

Off topic, but I have really enjoyed watching Florida this playoff season. They don't have a Matthews, Marner, McDavid, or Draisaitl, as far as having a super star who can take games over when they are on, but they have a lot of really good players who work extremely hard and are built for the playoffs. To me, in the modern era, Florida is the model of a playoff team (and their core should be there for several years), and a team Detroit can emulate.

We know they aren't getting a super star in the draft without a tremendous amount of luck, if they pick higher than #9 next year, throw their whole plan out the window. They aren't getting a Bedard or anyone who will lead the way in all-star votes, so they are forced to build a team with a lot of solid players. When you look at Florida's roster, only three of their forwards were obtained in the draft (Barkov, Lundell, Denisenko). Only one of the d-men were drafted by FL and none of their goalies were. This is an assembled team of really solid, hardworking playoff performers.

Now that we've established that a playoff winning team can be built outside of the draft, the first trade they need to make is to trade their first 3 or 4 picks to the Ducks and get Fantilli. I predict he will be a Shanny / Tkachuk type player and they'll need him when they're ready to compete in the playoffs. The other building blocks can be acquired to compliment a few foundational players that have been drafted, including Cossa.
- bluelineenforcer

Don't sell Matthew Tkachuk short. He's obviously not McDavid and I wouldn't quite put him in the Draisaitl/Matthews tier either, but IMO he's easily one of the 10 best forwards in the league and probably a top 10-15 player overall. Easily on par with or ahead of Marner (and well ahead of Larkin). Plus you got Barkov as a legit all-star (he's previously finished as high as sixth in Hart voting), and Carter Verhaege as an above average first line winger.

Don't sell Matthew Tkachuk short. He's obviously not McDavid and I wouldn't quite put him in the Draisaitl/Matthews tier either, but IMO he's easily one of the 10 best forwards in the league and probably a top 10-15 player overall. Easily on par with or ahead of Marner (and well ahead of Larkin). Plus you got Barkov as a legit all-star (he's previously finished as high as sixth in Hart voting), and Carter Verhaege as an above average first line winger.
- Sven22

Also, Bob seems to have taken over a few games.

Throwing it out there...Chariot for Petry, straight up. Petry is obviously on the downside, but still a better D-man than Chariot IMO and a MUCH better potential partner for Simon. Plus, he has one less year remaining on his contract(2 vs. 3) Thoughts?

Also, Bob seems to have taken over a few games.
- golfingsince

Bobrovsky is a fascinating statistical anomaly. Roughly speaking, his NHL seasons (in order) have been:

Average
Horrible
Historically elite (won Vezina)
Elite
Above average
Horrible
Historically elite (won Vezina
Elite
Average
Horrible
Average
Above average
Average -- but unstoppable in the playoffs so far

Even for a goalie he's all over the map.

I'm not convinced he can be relied on to sustain a consistently elite level of performance but no question he's playing absolutely out of his mind right now.

I see Logan Cooley is going back to MN this year. This blows another year of AZ's rights to him and gets him out of the shadow of Fantilli. Hopefully he'll stay 2 years and sign with Detroit as our future #1C.

Bobrovsky is a fascinating statistical anomaly. Roughly speaking, his NHL seasons (in order) have been:

Average
Horrible
Historically elite (won Vezina)
Elite
Above average
Horrible
Historically elite (won Vezina
Elite
Average
Horrible
Average
Above average
Average -- but unstoppable in the playoffs so far

Even for a goalie he's all over the map.

I'm not convinced he can be relied on to sustain a consistently elite level of performance but no question he's playing absolutely out of his mind right now.
- Sven22

I just meant in the context of taking games over when he's on, which IMO he has done for about 8 games now.

Jeremy , Gretzky gave the car to Dave Semenko. McSorely indeed had the curved stick that led to the Habs PP goal which turned the series around.
- golfingsince

Ah, thanks for that. I think both were in the same broadcast. There was a pic of LAs stick rack with black fabric covering the stick blades that was apparently added after the incident. The only weirder turnaround I can think of is a building losing power during the playoffs once….

A smart stay at home defenseman will see or know when Edvinsson is going to jump into the rush or pinch and back off or stay back. They don't need that much speed because they know what their role is. I get the hard miles thing but nobody is saying to sign Schenn or Gudas to long term deals, just a 1 or 2 years max deal as a stop gap. Re-evaluate that position when that contract is set to expire. If none of the prospects can take over, then you can look at the UFA market again or at a trade and hope there are better options available.

I would rather sign one of Schenn or Gudas to a cheap short term deal so we don't end up with another Chiarot that would be an expensive 3rd pair guy.

Shattenkirk has never been good defensively so pairing him with Edvinsson would probably end up like Chiarot with Seider or Hronek and force Edvinsson to play more defensively or get lit up. Just my opinion though.
- dcz28

I agree with your premise. I just think he’s one weird injury away at this point. Something like a Pronger eye injury or a hamstring detaching. This is the problem with being Human. The brain continues to grow, but the body starts to go. Hip flexors, cartilage, muscle rigidity (especially in the quads and pectorals). Look up “quad tears in half” on youtube sometime. I’ve seen a couple samples. Sometimes it rolls up like an old set of blinds. We haven’t seen too many guys “punch their own card” when they had gas in the tank and rubber on the wheels. Lidstrom did, but he didn’t want to be “less than” a certain level. I really think Gudas is a guy that the room would love. He would do everything he could positionally. I just think he’s a shot or two away. Opinion only, but I don’t think he would be the best fit for someone to work with Edvinsson.

Bobrovsky is a fascinating statistical anomaly. Roughly speaking, his NHL seasons (in order) have been:

Average
Horrible
Historically elite (won Vezina)
Elite
Above average
Horrible
Historically elite (won Vezina
Elite
Average
Horrible
Average
Above average
Average -- but unstoppable in the playoffs so far

Even for a goalie he's all over the map.

I'm not convinced he can be relied on to sustain a consistently elite level of performance but no question he's playing absolutely out of his mind right now.
- Sven22

That’s an interesting one to be sure. He has had some bizarre turns. Nice take

I just meant in the context of taking games over when he's on, which IMO he has done for about 8 games now.
- golfingsince

That would be a good round table. Are there “playoff players”? People who seem to turn up the volume and find another level? It wasn’t much fun being on the wrong side of Brodeur in the 90s

I definitely don’t hate Gudas. I think he’s like Perron. When he’s on your team you love him. I just think he’s almost broken down. The suck of guys who play hard is what they deal with later. I call it the “hockey shuffle”. They rock back and forth in constant pain. The other issue is, I’m thinking of a guy to skate with Simon. There are times when he’s going to overcommit to offense (learning curve) and I feel like Shattenkirk can still go with better wheels.

Now, if you’re talking 3rd pairing pk or depth from GR, maybe. I honestly love the guys that go for it (physically). Gretzky won a car at an all star event and gave it to McSorely as a thank you for years of having his back. Ironically, I think it was Marty’s stick curve that got L.A. in trouble and possibly cost them a cup. Big momentum swing
- Jeremy Laura

*correction. The car was given to Semenko, thanks for the heads up by “Golfing Since 1967”

That would be a good round table. Are there “playoff players”? People who seem to turn up the volume and find another level? It wasn’t much fun being on the wrong side of Brodeur in the 90s
- Jeremy Laura

My general thinking on this is "yes, but not nearly as many as people say there are."

Clutchness, "dawg-in-him-ness," whatever you want to call it -- I think it exists to some degree. But also, people are far too quick to give "clutchness" (or lack thereof) all of the credit for differences in regular season versus playoff results, when good/bad luck is often a better explanation (or at least a major contributing factor).