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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Oct 21 @ 3:25 AM ET
Theo Fox: Formula Intolerance A look at whether the Blackhawks players and fans are growing more and more intolerant to what head coach Jeremy Colliton believes is the way to a winning formula.

Plus, updates on Mike Hardman, Brandon Hagel, and several veterans ahead of tonight's tilt versus the Canucks.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Oct 21 @ 5:33 AM ET
Something seems rotten in Denmark. I think Darth had them losing 9-2 or something to the Nucks this evening. I thought JC might've gotten canned after the last loss. We'll see if he survives this one.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Oct 21 @ 5:45 AM ET
Hawks with their 1st win tonight, 4-2. JC gets a stay from the executioner, at least for a few days.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Oct 21 @ 7:36 AM ET
I haven't heard much about the post Keith/Seabrook era.

SJones McCabe as stalwarts but not always on the ice together, is the two dmen whom could attempt to replicate the act those long time Blsckhawks left

Until some kids on defense progress farther in the devopmental curve, the fond memories of strong defensive efforts is locked away in the corner of our brain. I really liked Boqvist but he appears fragile and susceptible to injury.

In a different.subject area, I had posted that the price tag is too high and the calibre of players received is arguably no better than our current collection. You have to give good insofar as receive good player. Bowman is not trading another first round and doubtful he would trade DeBrincat, Dach, Kane or Kubalik. So if we get anyone I expect a veteran dman
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Oct 21 @ 8:09 AM ET
Very few franchises in any sport would be as patient as the Blackhawks are being with JC. Can you imagine the Yankees putting up with this for so long? The Red Sox? The Lakers or Celtics? Likely they wouldn’t have hired him in the first place, given his lack of experience as a HC in North America.

It’s time for JC to go.
Fat_Tony_Amonte
Joined: 12.08.2011

Oct 21 @ 8:18 AM ET
Players lack of grasp of the “system”, whether the “system” is effective, the respect in the locker room; it’s all moot at this point. The product on the ice has been bad for years, and it’s still bad. It stinks and everyone knows it.

Personally, I’m blown away with the amount of leash this coaching staff has received. It’s offensive to the fan base. A premier league coach would have been axed years ago.… Players can say all the right things in the post game interviews, but nothing will convince me that are “bought in” to a coaching staff that has consistently put them in a position to where they suddenly don’t know how to mark up in the defensive zone…consistently have 3 players chasing low below the goal…it’s coaching.

Since 2010, the Hawks have nearly been bad as long as they have been good. Let that sink in.

It’s time to move on.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Oct 21 @ 8:22 AM ET
A GREAT day for a 'Hawks Win.
Let's Go Blackhawks!
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Oct 21 @ 8:33 AM ET
Thank you Theo for a fine read.

Excluding Marc Crawford (who I would not want to be the next coach), who do you think would be named the next coach? Do you think a GM would be named first so he can pick his coach? With some of the negative press the organization has had, do you think they might go in the direction of hiring a minority coach just to counter some of that bad press? Or possibly a coach with Native American ties?

If I had my choice, I would like then to hire an experienced NHL GM and let him hire his coach. But no one from the organ-I-zation has asked me yet.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 21 @ 8:39 AM ET
Thank you Theo for a fine read.

Excluding Marc Crawford (who I would not want to be the next coach), who do you think would be named the next coach? Do you think a GM would be named first so he can pick his coach? With some of the negative press the organization has had, do you think they might go in the direction of hiring a minority coach just to counter some of that bad press? Or possibly a coach with Native American ties?

If I had my choice, I would like then to hire an experienced NHL GM and let him hire his coach. But no one from the organ-I-zation has asked me yet.

- powerenforcer

Marc Bergevin may be available at the end of this season. He has yet to extend with the Habs.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 21 @ 8:41 AM ET
Something seems rotten in Denmark. I think Darth had them losing 9-2 or something to the Nucks this evening. I thought JC might've gotten canned after the last loss. We'll see if he survives this one.
- HawkintheD


Please, you make me seem like such a pessimist. The game won’t be that bad, the Hawks will only lose 7-1 (with the Hawks only goal coming in the waning minutes of the game).
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Oct 21 @ 8:54 AM ET
Please, you make me seem like such a pessimist. The game won’t be that bad, the Hawks will only lose 7-1 (with the Hawks only goal coming in the waning minutes of the game).
- DarthKane



That may become a consistent theme.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Oct 21 @ 9:01 AM ET
I predict Van 3 - Chi 2. JC will then speak at the post-game presser about how the team is losing games “better” - and that’s the improvement he’s been demanding out of the players.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Oct 21 @ 9:01 AM ET
Should have been patient and followed through with a full re-build instead of the retarded re-tool on the fly approach. Core isn't nearly good enough to compete so at best they'll be playoff pretenders.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 21 @ 9:07 AM ET
One aspect is the system.

Another aspect is implementing the system.

A 3rd aspect is getting player buy in. Kane and Toews can be good soldiers and say whatever they want to the press. But their body language and private conversations with teammates (and Stan) might be quite different.

Finally the persona of the coach matters. Even if the system is accepted by the players, what about the other aspects of coaching. Leadership, preparation, communication, intensity/compete level, arguing with refs, setting the lineup, in game management, line matching (especially at home), choosing which players are active and which are not.

Most posters feel Colliton needs to be fired. But then the selection of the next coach is going to be very important. The next coach will be in charge of the transition when the Kane and Toews contracts come off the books. He will have a year and a half to prepare.
Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Oct 21 @ 9:12 AM ET
Should have been patient and followed through with a full re-build instead of the retarded re-tool on the fly approach. Core isn't nearly good enough to compete so at best they'll be playoff pretenders.
- jfkst1


100% agree -
Watching other games this year - the young kids coming up are faster & more skilled then the rookies of 2010

The League is more skilled & the Hawks have aging stars & mediocre new blood

not to mention the dream team to coach them.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 21 @ 9:19 AM ET
They may need to make drastic changes to the roster long term. But the immediate need is to tweak it right away. 15 forwards? You only need 13. It has to be very uncomfortable seeing dead man walking (Strome) every day. Then you have Gaudette.

Who are the top nine? The top 8 are pretty clear.
Kane
Toews
Debrincat
Hagel
Borgstrum
Johnson
Dach
Kubalik

Then the 9th is between Strome, Kurashev, and Gaudette. Move or play Strome. Personally I would sit Kurashev or send him to Rockford and play Gaudette for a few weeks. I am not down on Kurashev, but he is waiver exempt.

The 4th liners Khaira, Carp, Entwistle, Hardman. Rotate them and let them get used to playing together.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Oct 21 @ 9:20 AM ET
100% agree -
Watching other games this year - the young kids coming up are faster & more skilled then the rookies of 2010

The League is more skilled & the Hawks have aging stars & mediocre new blood

not to mention the dream team to coach them.

- Colbyboy


Happens all the time. Im sure GMs get a lot of pressure on them from ownership to make fast turnarounds, but it is frankly stupid to believe they can do it. If a team's core isn't elite, no amount of retooling around the core will make them contenders. Outside of Kane, Chicago doesn't have another elite player on the roster. Toews is long past his prime and Jones is not a top 1D.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 21 @ 9:27 AM ET
Players lack of grasp of the “system”, whether the “system” is effective, the respect in the locker room; it’s all moot at this point. The product on the ice has been bad for years, and it’s still bad. It stinks and everyone knows it.

Personally, I’m blown away with the amount of leash this coaching staff has received. It’s offensive to the fan base. A premier league coach would have been axed years ago.… Players can say all the right things in the post game interviews, but nothing will convince me that are “bought in” to a coaching staff that has consistently put them in a position to where they suddenly don’t know how to mark up in the defensive zone…consistently have 3 players chasing low below the goal…it’s coaching.

Since 2010, the Hawks have nearly been bad as long as they have been good. Let that sink in.

It’s time to move on.

- Fat_Tony_Amonte


When Toews says that there is success when they play the way JC wants them to play; does that mean the players don't grasp the system or don't want to commit to playing it?
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Oct 21 @ 9:47 AM ET
Kane and toews are finished
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Oct 21 @ 9:47 AM ET
"Can you imagine the Yankees putting up with this for so long?"


Didn't the Yanks just sign Boone for another three years? Sounded like just about everyone wanted him gone.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 21 @ 10:16 AM ET
"Can you imagine the Yankees putting up with this for so long?"


Didn't the Yanks just sign Boone for another three years? Sounded like just about everyone wanted him gone.

- 6628


I know there are many who are frustrated by not winning a Cup in six years, but the path to another is not generally to go the early George Steinbrenner route and fire the coach and GM every year or two. When George finally learned this, his team developed a home-grown dynasty. Until then, he ran the joint in a highly chaotic, inefficient fashion and got nothing but headlines.

Many on this board have a Jerky Boys reaction - "Fire all the fockers because I'm mad". I get it, because 2009-2016 were awesome. But emotion-based decisions aren't the cure.

Btw, not including you in this....
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Oct 21 @ 10:32 AM ET
I know there are many who are frustrated by not winning a Cup in six years, but the path to another is not generally to go the early George Steinbrenner route and fire the coach and GM every year or two. When George finally learned this, his team developed a home-grown dynasty. Until then, he ran the joint in a highly chaotic, inefficient fashion and got nothing but headlines.

Many on this board have a Jerky Boys reaction - "Fire all the fockers because I'm mad". I get it, because 2009-2016 were awesome. But emotion-based decisions aren't the cure.

Btw, not including you in this....

- mohel

Well obviously emotion based decisions are the cure cuz when they fire JC I’ll feel better
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Oct 21 @ 10:32 AM ET
I know there are many who are frustrated by not winning a Cup in six years, but the path to another is not generally to go the early George Steinbrenner route and fire the coach and GM every year or two. When George finally learned this, his team developed a home-grown dynasty. Until then, he ran the joint in a highly chaotic, inefficient fashion and got nothing but headlines.

Many on this board have a Jerky Boys reaction - "Fire all the fockers because I'm mad". I get it, because 2009-2016 were awesome. But emotion-based decisions aren't the cure.

Btw, not including you in this....

- mohel


Just to add a little more on the Yankee history. George was banned from baseball for about a three year period in the early 90s. That is when the Yankees built up (and didn't trade away) their farm system with a lot of the familiar names that constituted their core for the dynasty. When they started chasing names again in the early 2000s, they would only win one more time towards the end of that decade. But to George's credit, he kept Joe Torre on for an extended period, as opposed to the days of hiring and firing Billy Martin five times.
eagle50
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: ON
Joined: 07.13.2012

Oct 21 @ 11:03 AM ET
I never understood why Ted Nolan never gets a shot at HC somewhere?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 21 @ 11:09 AM ET
Just to add a little more on the Yankee history. George was banned from baseball for about a three year period in the early 90s. That is when the Yankees built up (and didn't trade away) their farm system with a lot of the familiar names that constituted their core for the dynasty. When they started chasing names again in the early 2000s, they would only win one more time towards the end of that decade. But to George's credit, he kept Joe Torre on for an extended period, as opposed to the days of hiring and firing Billy Martin five times.
- 333inthe3rd


Good points.

In the NFL, the Steelers have been the model of consistency and stability. In the 1969, Chuck Noll became the coach. Bill Cower followed him in 1992, and now Mike Tomlin, who took over in 2007. That's three coaches over 50+ years. And they've done pretty well. How about the Patriots? Their coach and GM has been there a long time, and they've done pretty well.
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