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John Gove
Joined: 07.02.2015

Aug 4 @ 2:40 PM ET
John Gove: Inspecting the top six
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Aug 4 @ 2:50 PM ET
Thanks John!
Hey we are happy to have a regular post so all is forgiven, lol.

A rather meh top six and and looks a lot like the meh we have seen with little success. If this remains the top six, its a big fat 'F' for Tre! Happy-ish with what we got at the draft but there needs to be more done and so far its crickets...
redseerpf
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.14.2019

Aug 4 @ 2:53 PM ET
Whenever Blake Coleman is brought in to play in a top 6, that team's got big problems.

If Monahan doesn't bouce back in a big way, Calgary will likely be a lottery team.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Aug 4 @ 3:03 PM ET
Thanks, John. Hopefully, your new place treats the family well.

This roster with Eichel as 1C looks dangerous. I can see Coleman having good chemistry with Backlund and Dube, or trying to see if he can play with JG and SM if SM cannot get going.

Calgary had pretty poopty luck drafting both Monahan and Bennett.
Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

Aug 4 @ 3:18 PM ET
The current Flames roster Is good enough to tread water In a really weak Pacific division.
Copper n Blue
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Omicron Persei 8
Joined: 11.04.2006

Aug 4 @ 3:49 PM ET
First off, I come in peace! I get it, I’m not one of you, but serious question… are you really comfortable giving up serious assets for Eichel? On paper that’s an upgrade at centre, but in reality he’s a bobble head until the neck actually heals, if it does at all. I wouldn’t be overly anxious to make a big trade like that without more certainty.
redseerpf
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.14.2019

Aug 4 @ 4:02 PM ET
First off, I come in peace! I get it, I’m not one of you, but serious question… are you really comfortable giving up serious assets for Eichel? On paper that’s an upgrade at centre, but in reality he’s a bobble head until the neck actually heals, if it does at all. I wouldn’t be overly anxious to make a big trade like that without more certainty.
- Copper n Blue


Flames are not a Jack Eichel away of being really competitive, so I wouldn't do it. But i've been advocating a rebuild for a few years now, so....
Revised12
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.22.2018

Aug 4 @ 4:32 PM ET
Come on Calgary -

If they are looking for picks and prospects and young players.
And the rumour from vegas was Reilly, Hague, Krebs and a first?

Monahan, Valimaki, Zary and a first? Or try and keep Monahan and replace with Dube?

Either way, they have the cap space and drive to get it done.

Imagine the battle of Alberta - Connor versus Jack??? that alone should seal it.

Pacific is up for grabs - Vegas/Edm/Calgary with adding Jack.
dal_johnson
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.09.2006

Aug 4 @ 4:38 PM ET
Flames are not a Jack Eichel away of being really competitive, so I wouldn't do it. But i've been advocating a rebuild for a few years now, so....


But the reality is they aren't going to do a complete rebuild. They didn't hire Sutter or sign Markstrom just to tear it all down. As much as in many ways I see and agree with what you say, its just not going to happen.

And it isn't just a Jack Eichel.

Team needed a shake up to it's core and leadership. Giordano and for the sake of it assume Monahan leaving in trade does that.

They needed more offensive skill and talent, especially at Center. Sounds like Eichel to me.

They did need more grit so that they don't just get constantly pushed around. Like it or not that is where players like Coleman, Zadorov, and Lewis come in.

Does that make them an instant contender, probably not. But it addresses the issues that have been constantly identified for this team.

So why not make the Eichel Trade. Keep it to only next year's first round pick.

Monahan
Pelltier
Valamaki
2022 1st

That basically comprises 4 1sts. if it is needed add a lesser prospect. Tweak as needed.

Also if Buffalo continues to make Eichels health be more and more of an issue becuase of this whole surgery dispute. Make the 2022 1st conditional. If conditions aren't made (for example Eichel must play in half the season, or he must produce to a certain level) and as a result the Flames struggle, make it so that it switches to the 2023 pick. Or make it conditional on say if it is top 8 then the Flames have the option to change it to 2023. That way there is some insurance against Eichel's health coming out of this surgery.

Eichel could be an absolute game changer but it seems that everybody but Buffalo knows there is health concerns. So that need to make some accomodation for that.
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Aug 4 @ 4:40 PM ET
Its neat to write down trios of players, but when the 2 d-men on the ice handle the puck like a grenade then it won't matter. Good luck in the lottery...
Revised12
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.22.2018

Aug 4 @ 5:05 PM ET
Its neat to write down trios of players, but when the 2 d-men on the ice handle the puck like a grenade then it won't matter. Good luck in the lottery...
- Kooleus


Try and make a move for eichel without Monahan. If successful, then use monahan to try and get a top 4 D man. not going to state proposals but I am sure there would be teams interested that need a top 6 centre that is still only 26?

Minny?
Anaheim?
Columbus?
Ottawa?

DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Aug 4 @ 5:47 PM ET
Its neat to write down trios of players, but when the 2 d-men on the ice handle the puck like a grenade then it won't matter. Good luck in the lottery...
- Kooleus

I thought your purpose in life was to troll Ek Kooleus.... how can you possibly find time in that busy life of yours to come troll us too?
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Aug 4 @ 6:10 PM ET
Whenever Blake Coleman is brought in to play in a top 6, that team's got big problems.

If Monahan doesn't bouce back in a big way, Calgary will likely be a lottery team.

- redseerpf

I think Blake Coleman is a much better player than people think
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Aug 4 @ 6:22 PM ET
I'm not trolling anyone. Just saying that many people focus on putting trios of forwards together without any regard for who is playing defense. When you don't have solid puckmovers on the back-end then it doesn't matter who is upfront. Sure. Go get Eichel. See if you can get McDavid too. But if you have Hanifin on your top pair firing the puck off the glass and out then your forwards are just chasing the game.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 4 @ 7:30 PM ET
If I’m Buffalo, I would have to get Lindholm in the deal. Monahan would still be your #2.


Benny Blanco
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Islip, Long Island, NY
Joined: 07.25.2020

Aug 4 @ 7:36 PM ET
Too many poofsters on the Wild.
Squeaky
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
Flames are not a Jack Eichel away of being really competitive, so I wouldn't do it. But i've been advocating a rebuild for a few years now, so....
- redseerpf


I don't know how you can say that. A player of Eichel's calibre changes everything. He has the talent to be the second-best centre in the league. Are the Oilers even close to being a contender without McDavid? Are the Avs without MacKinnon? They've also added Coleman and Zadarov to fill some major holes the team has had over the past few years.

If they can get Eichel and only lose Monahan and Valimaki, their roster is as good as anyone else in the West. Every contender in the West has holes in their roster. The Flames would have one of the best top lines in the league and a group of forwards that can shut things down Sutter style. They're missing a true number one defenceman, but have a solid top four. Hanifin also made massive improvements last year and is still under 25, so could potentially keep improving.

The biggest question would be in goal. Markstrom wasn't good last year. If he can bounce back and be a top ten goalie, the Flames absolutely would be contenders. Vlader would also need to be capable of gaining Sutter's trust enough to get him 25 starts.
pzoxic
Joined: 11.21.2015

Aug 4 @ 7:45 PM ET
First off, I come in peace! I get it, I’m not one of you, but serious question… are you really comfortable giving up serious assets for Eichel? On paper that’s an upgrade at centre, but in reality he’s a bobble head until the neck actually heals, if it does at all. I wouldn’t be overly anxious to make a big trade like that without more certainty.
- Copper n Blue

💯! I wouldn’t go near him until they completely know everything there is to know about his injuries.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 4 @ 7:55 PM ET
Too many poofsters on the Wild.
- Benny Blanco


The Habs too. Drouin is the obvious one. How come none of the poofsters responded to the hit on Evans?







DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Aug 4 @ 8:00 PM ET
If I’m Buffalo, I would have to get Lindholm in the deal. Monahan would still be your #2.
- Minnyhock
If its Lindholm over Mony the rest of the package is significantly less. Lindholm at 3 x 4.85 is one of the best contracts in the NHL.
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Aug 4 @ 8:03 PM ET
I don't know how you can say that. A player of Eichel's calibre changes everything. He has the talent to be the second-best centre in the league. Are the Oilers even close to being a contender without McDavid? Are the Avs without MacKinnon? They've also added Coleman and Zadarov to fill some major holes the team has had over the past few years.

If they can get Eichel and only lose Monahan and Valimaki, their roster is as good as anyone else in the West. Every contender in the West has holes in their roster. The Flames would have one of the best top lines in the league and a group of forwards that can shut things down Sutter style. They're missing a true number one defenceman, but have a solid top four. Hanifin also made massive improvements last year and is still under 25, so could potentially keep improving.

The biggest question would be in goal. Markstrom wasn't good last year. If he can bounce back and be a top ten goalie, the Flames absolutely would be contenders. Vlader would also need to be capable of gaining Sutter's trust enough to get him 25 starts.

- Squeaky
Markstrom was outstanding until he had the collision in Vancouver and he also played very well the last 10 games when he healed. Agreed though that if we can make a deal for JE (Mony, picks and prospects) our 2 top lines would be excellent.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 4 @ 8:10 PM ET
If its Lindholm over Mony the rest of the package is significantly less. Lindholm at 3 x 4.85 is one of the best contracts in the NHL.
- DEDDIE



Absolutely, agree.
Squeaky
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 4 @ 8:29 PM ET
Markstrom was outstanding until he had the collision in Vancouver and he also played very well the last 10 games when he healed. Agreed though that if we can make a deal for JE (Mony, picks and prospects) our 2 top lines would be excellent.
- DEDDIE


He was outstanding against the Canucks and Canadiens and awful against everyone else. I don't care what the excuse is, a 904 save% isn't going to cut it.
Benny Blanco
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Islip, Long Island, NY
Joined: 07.25.2020

Aug 4 @ 8:38 PM ET
The Habs too. Drouin is the obvious one. How come none of the poofsters responded to the hit on Evans?
- Minnyhock

Ask them on the Habs board, if you dare.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 4 @ 8:52 PM ET
Ask them on the Habs board, if you dare.
- Benny Blanco


I’m asking you. I’ve been there before and they aren’t intimidating.They’re all hyperventilating about the Mailloux mess.

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