Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Sanheim, Flyers Hires and Promotions, ECDAB

Love the bike video. How can you not get a big smile on your face watching that?

Sanheim will sign for 2 years at 4aav.

(just a guess)

Bill, are there any guys recently similar to Harts situation coming off ELC and what their contract looked like?

Bill, are there any guys recently similar to Harts situation coming off ELC and what their contract looked like?
- ClaudeFather

Not an exact comparison but John Gibson got a three-year, $2.3M bridge deal when coming off his ELC.

Love the bike video. How can you not get a big smile on your face watching that?
- MBFlyerfan

The Every Child Deserves a Bike program is awesome.

Not an exact comparison but John Gibson got a three-year, $2.3M bridge deal when coming off his ELC.
- bmeltzer

Looks like he was more up and down between leagues at the time before it but he was very steady number wise. Thank you

Not an exact comparison but John Gibson got a three-year, $2.3M bridge deal when coming off his ELC.
- bmeltzer

I'm hoping for $2.5M-$3.0M for Hart and $3.5M-$4.0M for Sanheim. 2-3 years on each. Longer term would be ideal.

That still leaves very little cushion in cap to start year. As long as everyone has their "bounce back" year, we should have no reason to add pieces. Of course, we've been hoping for this several seasons now.

We do we think gets the A's? G is still Captain. Hayes, Coots, Provy return. Yandle and Ellis added. Risto and Atkinson also spent time as Alternate Captains.

Bill, are there any guys recently similar to Harts situation coming off ELC and what their contract looked like?
- ClaudeFather

https://theathletic.com/2...for-a-tricky-negotiation/

My guess? A long-term deal is pretty unlikely now, especially considering that such a structure would have been precedent-setting even in good times. Hart’s camp will likely be worried about locking themselves into a “cheap” long-term deal with their client coming off a truly disappointing season. And the Flyers have to at least be a little bit worried that Hart might not bounce back, leaving them with a massive amount of money and term locked up in the next Matt Murray. It makes sense for both sides to focus their efforts on a shorter contract. Bridge deals are the norm for goalies in this situation anyway.

Given the comparables, somewhere in the $3 million to $4 million range for a cap hit feels like a reasonable estimate on a two- or three-year contract for Hart. Blackwood’s 2020 deal is the obvious model, especially after Hart’s down season pushed him into that statistical territory. That said, Hart has been handed far more responsibility thus far in his career and has playoff success to his credit, so presumably, he’ll receive more than Blackwood’s $2.8 million average annual value. How much more? The Vasilevskiy comp is interesting, but it’s also from five years ago and is something of a unique situation, given where Tampa stood entering that particular offseason from a goaltending standpoint.

In any case, Hart’s truly big contract will likely have to wait now. But if he bounces back as the team — and Hart himself — hopes, it’ll come eventually.

dbth

Love the bike video. How can you not get a big smile on your face watching that?
- MBFlyerfan

yup :-)

Sanheim will sign for 2 years at 4aav.

(just a guess)
- MBFlyerfan

The problem is that without any other moves, Fletcher has painted himself into a corner. Assuming they’ll want to open the season with a minimum of a 1 million dollar cap cushion, they have only 7 million to sign both Sanheim and Hart. This is my biggest complaint with the Ristolainen deal. With the extremely generous package that went to Buffalo and with only one year left on his deal, Fletcher needed to be adamant that the Sabres retain at least 1 million of his cap hit. To not do so was a flat out mistake.

Nice to see Manning and Akeson doing well...
https://www.princegeorgec...-savvy-to-germany-4185077

https://theathletic.com/2...for-a-tricky-negotiation/
- MBFlyerfan

He’s in a league of his own!

Nice to see Manning and Akeson doing well...
https://www.princegeorgec...-savvy-to-germany-4185077
- therabbi

Be nice if they spelled Hakstol correctly lol.

The problem is that without any other moves, Fletcher has painted himself into a corner. Assuming they’ll want to open the season with a minimum of a 1 million dollar cap cushion, they have only 7 million to sign both Sanheim and Hart. This is my biggest complaint with the Ristolainen deal. With the extremely generous package that went to Buffalo and with only one year left on his deal, Fletcher needed to be adamant that the Sabres retain at least 1 million of his cap hit. To not do so was a flat out mistake.
- BiggE

Generally curious, why is this such a big deal? We made our moves to upgrade the roster already, if there are injuries we have a few guys that can step up.

Generally curious, why is this such a big deal? We made our moves to upgrade the roster already, if there are injuries we have a few guys that can step up.
- ClaudeFather

Besides call ups, the cap cushion allows them to absorb ELC performance bonuses without incurring cap penalties in the following season. It also allows more leeway to make in season trades. Not having enough cap cushion can lead to having to slide a woefully unprepared amateur player into the lineup as an injury fill in (this happened under Holmgren) or dressing only 17 skaters rather than the usual 18.

Besides call ups, the cap cushion allows them to absorb ELC performance bonuses without incurring cap penalties in the following season. It also allows more leeway to make in season trades. Not having enough cap cushion can lead to having to slide a woefully unprepared amateur player into the lineup as an injury fill in (this happened under Holmgren) or dressing only 17 skaters rather than the usual 18.
- BiggE

Thank you, sounds more like an if scenario, probably best to have some cap room but certainly not the end of the world. I see your point .

Bill, in your opinion what would be a fair offer for Sanheim and for what term?

https://theathletic.com/2...for-a-tricky-negotiation/
- MBFlyerfan

The next Matt Murray? Two Cups, 177-66, .912 career save %. Wake me up when Hart has this on his resume.

Generally curious, why is this such a big deal? We made our moves to upgrade the roster already, if there are injuries we have a few guys that can step up.
- ClaudeFather

If multiple guys get hurt, not long enough to go on LTIR, you risk playing shorthanded.

Vegas played with only 10 forwards and 5 dmen against the Avs and it cost them their division title.

The next Matt Murray? Two Cups, 177-66, .912 career save %. Wake me up when Hart has this on his resume.
- PLindbergh31

Its amazing THIS is what you took from that article. Especially when they pretty much state the opposite.

Hart very clearly isn’t in the Bobrovsky or Murray tier — he hasn’t won a major award or backstopped a team to a championship. His resume also is clearly inferior to that of Price when he signed his second deal back in 2010. But even with the deflated save percentage — entirely due to 2020-21 — Hart still blows away goalies like Gibson and Holtby in terms of games played (and in turn, trust from his organization at a young age), to the point where it’s difficult to imagine him falling in that bracket, either.

Thank you, sounds more like an if scenario, probably best to have some cap room but certainly not the end of the world. I see your point .
- ClaudeFather

You’re welcome.

No, it’s not the end of the world, but it can seriously harm a team. Here is an example.

Let’s say that Jones is just as bad as he was in San Jose and the Flyers need an upgrade. They don’t feel that any of their prospects are ready so that upgrade has to come from outside the organization and they are right up against the cap ceiling. They now have two options:
1. Waive Jones; assuming no one takes him (which is extremely likely) this would only free up about 1.1 million which limits their choices of goalies to acquire.

2. Pay someone (draft picks/prospects) to take Jones off their hands to allow them 2 million max to put towards a goalie.

And that is only one scenario. Going into the season with less than 700K in space would not allow them to make any short term injury call ups. It’s just not a smart way to operate an NHL team.

I have to admit that it’s cool to see Jason Smith back with the organization. Great work by the Flyers Alumni Association 👍

Its amazing THIS is what you took from that article. Especially when they pretty much state the opposite.



- MBFlyerfan

PLind gonna PLind