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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Aug 1 @ 11:41 PM ET
Jan Levine: Reaves inks extension, Ritchie to Toronto, Eichel stare down, Shesterkin A smattering of topics...
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 1 @ 11:52 PM ET
There is absolutely no way I include Kakko in any deal for Eichel, even a healthy Eichel. He cried about his coach, they fired him. They cried he wasn’t captain, they made him captain. The kid is an entitled punk. Stay away.

I can’t believe we didn’t offer more for Ritchie after seeing him sign for what he signed for. He would’ve been a perfect addition that could play on line 1 or line 4, I think that was a big miss by Drury.
Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

Aug 2 @ 12:03 AM ET
Not a good start for Drury. Wow!
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Aug 2 @ 12:40 AM ET
If Adams retains 50% of Eichel's cap hit he better be getting 5 first round assets at minimum. Pegula will launch his ass into the sun if Adams trades Eichel for a bad package. Even more so if Pegula has to pay that much in dead money.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 1:11 AM ET
If Adams retains 50% of Eichel's cap hit he better be getting 5 first round assets at minimum. Pegula will launch his ass into the sun if Adams trades Eichel for a bad package. Even more so if Pegula has to pay that much in dead money.
- jfkst1

I don’t think there’s a deal where both sides would feel like they got a fair deal. $5 million is a lot of cap to eat but the package going the other way would be so ridiculous it wouldn’t be worth it.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 1:11 AM ET
Not a good start for Drury. Wow!
- Shady1962

Goodrow was good.
The Buch trade was terrible.
The Reaves trade was eh.
Missing out on Ritchie was a big mistake.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Aug 2 @ 1:18 AM ET
I don’t think there’s a deal where both sides would feel like they got a fair deal. $5 million is a lot of cap to eat but the package going the other way would be so ridiculous it wouldn’t be worth it.
- nyrangers9479


I largely agree with that. Then again, the entire thing is illogical to me. Buffalo wants to trade one of maybe 5 young franchise centers in the world so they might get back...maybe one franchise player in the entire package.
Eichel wants to go to a competitive team. Any current competitive team can't afford him and doesnt likely have the assets to get him. Upcoming competitive teams will have to trade so much for him itll hurt their competitiveness in the future.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 1:25 AM ET
I largely agree with that. Then again, the entire thing is illogical to me. Buffalo wants to trade one of maybe 5 young franchise centers in the world so they might get back...maybe one franchise player in the entire package.
Eichel wants to go to a competitive team. Any current competitive team can't afford him and doesnt likely have the assets to get him. Upcoming competitive teams will have to trade so much for him itll hurt their competitiveness in the future.

- jfkst1

If he was healthy and hadn’t made how public he’s made it he wants out they might be able to get a package that would be fair. Both of those are a huge obstacle in all of this. The other problem is not many teams can add a $10 million cap hit right now. I personally want nothing to do with the guy because of the unknowns with the injury and his cap hit.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 2 @ 1:37 AM ET
I just don't understand why the Rangers would get suckered into the Eichel trade talks. Suppose Eichel is as good or better than Rick Nash. There is still no evidence that he can help a team succeed in playoff play. Drives me crazy when teams get hustled into discussions for players that put up good offensive numbers but fail to deliver a winning effort. Do we have any evidence that Eichel could lead a team deep into the playoffs.

Eichel stikes me as the type of player best suited for Toronto. He puts up great personal results but is entirely unreliable when winning really matters.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 1:44 AM ET
I just don't understand why the Rangers would get suckered into the Eichel trade talks. Suppose Eichel is as good or better than Rick Nash. There is still no evidence that he can help a team succeed in playoff play. Drives me crazy when teams get hustled into discussions for players that put up good offensive numbers but fail to deliver a winning effort. Do we have any evidence that Eichel could lead a team deep into the playoffs.

Eichel stikes me as the type of player best suited for Toronto. He puts up great personal results but is entirely unreliable when winning really matters.

- spatso

I agree, stay far away from him
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 2 @ 5:07 AM ET
I just don't understand why the Rangers would get suckered into the Eichel trade talks. Suppose Eichel is as good or better than Rick Nash. There is still no evidence that he can help a team succeed in playoff play. Drives me crazy when teams get hustled into discussions for players that put up good offensive numbers but fail to deliver a winning effort. Do we have any evidence that Eichel could lead a team deep into the playoffs.

Eichel stikes me as the type of player best suited for Toronto. He puts up great personal results but is entirely unreliable when winning really matters.

- spatso

When has Eichel put up great numbers?

That is what gets me.

He is a good - great player. Not Elite. None of his numbers support that he is a top 10 player besides his draft position next to McDavid. What numbers support he is Elite? Yet most BUF fans still call him generational. Crosby was generational, McDavid is generational, Gretzky was generational. They were the absolute best in their 10+ year period. What has Eichel done to show he is even top 10 in his generation?
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 2 @ 6:27 AM ET
When has Eichel put up great numbers?

That is what gets me.

He is a good - great player. Not Elite. None of his numbers support that he is a top 10 player besides his draft position next to McDavid. What numbers support he is Elite? Yet most BUF fans still call him generational. Crosby was generational, McDavid is generational, Gretzky was generational. They were the absolute best in their 10+ year period. What has Eichel done to show he is even top 10 in his generation?

- wreckage

Well yeah they say a lot of ridiculous things. Maybe they confused player with generational whiner.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 2 @ 7:06 AM ET
When has Eichel put up great numbers?

That is what gets me.

He is a good - great player. Not Elite. None of his numbers support that he is a top 10 player besides his draft position next to McDavid. What numbers support he is Elite? Yet most BUF fans still call him generational. Crosby was generational, McDavid is generational, Gretzky was generational. They were the absolute best in their 10+ year period. What has Eichel done to show he is even top 10 in his generation?

- wreckage


Maybe this is a media shower only. Are there any hard reports that indicate the Rangers are actual participants in the bidding? I wonder if this is nothing more than smoke being pushed out from Buffalo. Just does not make any sense that Rangers would risk blowing everything up.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 7:18 AM ET
Maybe this is a media shower only. Are there any hard reports that indicate the Rangers are actual participants in the bidding? I wonder if this is nothing more than smoke being pushed out from Buffalo. Just does not make any sense that Rangers would risk blowing everything up.
- spatso

There’s a bunch of reports the Rangers have made offers. Who knows what they actually are but BUF thinks they’re trading Connor McDavid not Jack Eichel. I honestly wish the Rangers would just stay the course and take whatever offer it is they have on the table off the table and move on.
MeltingPlastic
New York Rangers
Location: outside philthadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.17.2007

Aug 2 @ 8:04 AM ET
There’s a bunch of reports the Rangers have made offers. Who knows what they actually are but BUF thinks they’re trading Connor McDavid not Jack Eichel. I honestly wish the Rangers would just stay the course and take whatever offer it is they have on the table off the table and move on.
- nyrangers9479

Yeah but it could be an offer that fleeces them, like 50% retained for 1st and chytil or something like that. You take that every day. Is that the offer, I doubt it, but still
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 8:09 AM ET
Eichel has yet to play a full season, games missed per season

2016 - 1
2017 - 21
2018 - 15
2019 - 5
2020 - 1
2021 - 35
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 8:10 AM ET
Yeah but it could be an offer that fleeces them, like 50% retained for 1st and chytil or something like that. You take that every day. Is that the offer, I doubt it, but still
- MeltingPlastic

It’s not going to happen. They think they’re trading a healthy Connor McDavid. On top of that there’s multiple reports that the Sabres GM doesn’t want to deal him to the Rangers so you could bet our “price” is more bc of that. I say take the assets you were going to trade and concentrate on getting a guy like Turcotte.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Aug 2 @ 8:26 AM ET
I just don't understand why the Rangers would get suckered into the Eichel trade talks. Suppose Eichel is as good or better than Rick Nash. There is still no evidence that he can help a team succeed in playoff play. Drives me crazy when teams get hustled into discussions for players that put up good offensive numbers but fail to deliver a winning effort. Do we have any evidence that Eichel could lead a team deep into the playoffs.

Eichel stikes me as the type of player best suited for Toronto. He puts up great personal results but is entirely unreliable when winning really matters.

- spatso


It's ironic" spatso" that you also sort of compared Eichel to Nash as I did Saturday on Jan's previous blog, (at 7:15 pm on pg. 23), for two reasons of similarity for both players.

(1) Both players were of equivalent stature who had not hit their peak with their lower in rank teams at the time pressing to be traded, with both also wanting to be dealt to the Rangers as first choice. The major difference however, being Nash was 100% healthy in 2012, in contrast to Eichel today.

(2) Both players" GM's were holding up interested teams with high price demands, but Adams one regarding Eichel being of utter ridiculousness, due not only to Eichel's neck injury needing surgery (supposedly); but also due to his unwillingness to release any medical reports, tests results, etc. to any interested teams. Columbus eventually lowered their excessive price demand for Nash, leading to a package deal sent them by the Rangers in just one 1st Rounder, along with 3 young promising roster players of top potential in Dubinsky, Anisimov, and Tim Erixson, while also sending the Rangers besides Nash, a lower nature Steven Delisle, & a 3rd rounder.

However, for this current Rangers team's benefit, some insiders' words have Adams being unwilling to trade Eichel to the Rangers, but instead only as far West as possible. It will require Adams to finally come to his senses with this Eichel matter if he hopes that even the Ducks, Kings, or Flames who had all recently dropped out of the Eichel sweepstakes, would want to resume trade talks with him.
Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

Aug 2 @ 8:26 AM ET
There’s a bunch of reports the Rangers have made offers. Who knows what they actually are but BUF thinks they’re trading Connor McDavid not Jack Eichel. I honestly wish the Rangers would just stay the course and take whatever offer it is they have on the table off the table and move on.
- nyrangers9479

Eichel is their only top trade chip, of course they want the moon for him. Could he put up better numbers on a better team? Of course. They aren't going to give him away, nor should they. Let him get the surgery he's most comfortable with asap so he can get back to playing sooner. I really don't think he will be traded until he returns to the ice.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Aug 2 @ 8:35 AM ET
Eichel has yet to play a full season, games missed per season

2016 - 1
2017 - 21
2018 - 15
2019 - 5
2020 - 1
2021 - 35

- nyrangers9479


In addition, in the shortened 56 games schedule 2021 Pandemic season, Eichel scored only 2 goals, (despite tallying 16 assists), but also had a (-9) +/- rating in his 21 games only played in through March 7th. when he sustained his season ending neck injury on a hard hit by an Isles player resulting in his head directly striking against the boards.

Eichel's 2nd and final goal scored last season came on Jan. 28th at Buffalo in the game where Lafreniere scored his first NHL goal in his game winner in OT.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 8:41 AM ET
Eichel is their only top trade chip, of course they want the moon for him. Could he put up better numbers on a better team? Of course. They aren't going to give him away, nor should they. Let him get the surgery he's most comfortable with asap so he can get back to playing sooner. I really don't think he will be traded until he returns to the ice.
- Fenrir

I don’t understand why they won’t let him get his preferred surgery. This whole thing is going no where until he gets surgery. I still think we should concentrate elsewhere that won’t require us blowing up what we’ve built.

Josh Norris? Alex Turcotte? Anton Lundell?
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 2 @ 9:05 AM ET
this 50% cap retention for Eichel is something completely made up in Larry Brooks head and has no merit

there isnt a chance in hell Buffalo is willing to give Jack Eichel 5 million a year the next 5 years to play for another team, it's already so bitter as it is

I think Buffalo's deadline organization wise to trade isn't until next July 1st when Eichel has a 7.5 million signing bonus and that same day it turns into a total NMC

they could very well just hang on to him the whole time unless they get what they consider the perfect deal

oh yeah, and hi





nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 2 @ 9:09 AM ET
this 50% cap retention for Eichel is something completely made up in Larry Brooks head and has no merit

there isnt a chance in hell Buffalo is willing to give Jack Eichel 5 million a year the next 5 years to play for another team, it's already so bitter as it is

I think Buffalo's deadline organization wise to trade isn't until next July 1st when Eichel has a 7.5 million signing bonus and that same day it turns into a total NMC

they could very well just hang on to him the whole time unless they get what they consider the perfect deal

oh yeah, and hi






- jimbro83

Damn, you’re back
ELew11
New York Rangers
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Joined: 07.22.2016

Aug 2 @ 9:11 AM ET
Many of us are not interested in trading the assets needed for a 10M player whose future is so uncertain we don't know when, or even if, he will play again.

Another point that really isn't being discussed is Gallant's system will be dramatically different from Quinn's, and the depth chart is very different than it was last year.

We should wait and see how this roster works with Gallant's system and then decide what changes are needed. With the assets we have, there are many other Centers we could focus on if needed.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 2 @ 9:12 AM ET
Damn, you’re back
- nyrangers9479


what, you think you gonna get no push back forever on Nils Lundkvist trade proposals?
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