John Gove: Fast Flame: Post Entry Draft Thoughts

There have been many reports the last 12 months that the Flames have been shopping their top players.... if true, its pretty clear that either Tre is asking for too much or that other teams are simply not interested. I fear its the latter and we may be looking at yet another season of inconsistent play and mediocre results with the same core.

Thanks John
I agree on the the fact that the Flames didn't address their prospect needs. I like the top 2 picks but would have preferred to see more d drafted.

I don't necessarily think the Flames need to do too much with their core, I'd prefer to make hockey trades and not simply get draft picks back. With Philly being so aggressive in changing their team, I wonder if there was any talk of Johnny going there?

Good draft, the first four picks and the Russian goalie in the seventh round are solid choices. Our steal could be Cole Huckins (77).

A few points that can make trading a little more difficult for Brad:
-The player must want to come to Canada
-The cap space could be flat until 2024-25
-The player wants to play for Sutter

I heard on NHL radio that this is the end of Brad Treviling if this team does not make the playoffs. He is on the clock like Chuck Fletcher in Philadelphia, he has worn out his welcome in Calgary and he better do it right this off season!

John Gove: Fast Flame: Post Entry Draft Thoughts
- John Gove

#1 needs to be posted on Calgary's Twitter wall, light a fire under Tre..

I heard on NHL radio that this is the end of Brad Treviling if this team does not make the playoffs. He is on the clock like Chuck Fletcher in Philadelphia, he has worn out his welcome in Calgary and he better do it right this off season!
- IBleedBlu1

Thanks Tips!

I think the buchnevich and Reinhardt deals have really shown where the markets at, especially for JG and monahan. Both players careers are trending upwards where as monahan’s career is trending downwards so while I don’t know what he’s worth in a trade I don’t think he fetches as much as the other two. As for JG I think the Reinhardt trade specifically showed that teams aren’t going all in on players without contract control past next year. While JG is a way better player than Sam I thought that Sam would’ve gotten a bit more than what they did so it would be fair to expect the same would happen with JG if moved without a contract.

As far as treliving goes this off-season so far had exposed there are numerous terrible GM’s around the league and while Tre is extremely mediocre things could always be worse. That said when Gorton came available I was all for bringing him in and having him on that draft broadcast has reaffirmed that belief he would be a breath of fresh air. It also helps his case that almost every move drury has made as been horrendous outside of hiring gallant.

I think the buchnevich and Reinhardt deals have really shown where the markets at, especially for JG and monahan. Both players careers are trending upwards where as monahan’s career is trending downwards so while I don’t know what he’s worth in a trade I don’t think he fetches as much as the other two. As for JG I think the Reinhardt trade specifically showed that teams aren’t going all in on players without contract control past next year. While JG is a way better player than Sam I thought that Sam would’ve gotten a bit more than what they did so it would be fair to expect the same would happen with JG if moved without a contract.

As far as treliving goes this off-season so far had exposed there are numerous terrible GM’s around the league and while Tre is extremely mediocre things could always be worse. That said when Gorton came available I was all for bringing him in and having him on that draft broadcast has reaffirmed that belief he would be a breath of fresh air. It also helps his case that almost every move drury has made as been horrendous outside of hiring gallant.
- RedC21

Monahan on a downward trend??????? Really, players now at 26 are all trending downwards? When do they peak? Monahan has been in the league for 8 years, until last years covid & injury shortened year Monahan has 3 30+ goals seasons & 4 20+ goals, then last year was a rough year with a bad hip that needed surgery. I would say your expectations are certainly trending downward of Monahan but in reality, Monahan is what he is, a raw goal scorer. He doesnt drive play, he finishes. Thats what he is. Last I heard GM's like players that score goals. Reinhart has been in the league 6 years, has had no 30 goal seasons, highest is 25 but 5 of those 6 have been 20+. He's basically 2 years younger than Monahan (same as Bennett who ironically Florida have 3 of the top 4 picks of that draft now In Bennett, Reinhart & Ekblad).

Word was Adams ask was Mangi & our 2022 1st for Reinhart. I dont blame Tre for not doing that one. Still I would have traded our 2022 1st to get Reinhart as he checks off a lot of boxes & we currently are sitting on a lot of available cap space to resign him. Our 1st next year probably will be way better than Florida's & Im sure we could have come up with something equivalent to Levi (not knocking the kid he looked pretty good in the World Jr's). But honestly, at 26, Monahan may no be a superstar goal scorer like Brett hull was but he's still in the upper echelon of goal scorers in the league. His shooting percentages last year were horrid, probably the hip factored into that.

Monahan on a downward trend??????? Really, players now at 26 are all trending downwards? When do they peak? Monahan has been in the league for 8 years, until last years covid & injury shortened year Monahan has 3 30+ goals seasons & 4 20+ goals, then last year was a rough year with a bad hip that needed surgery. I would say your expectations are certainly trending downward of Monahan but in reality, Monahan is what he is, a raw goal scorer. He doesnt drive play, he finishes. Thats what he is. Last I heard GM's like players that score goals. Reinhart has been in the league 6 years, has had no 30 goal seasons, highest is 25 but 5 of those 6 have been 20+. He's basically 2 years younger than Monahan (same as Bennett who ironically Florida have 3 of the top 4 picks of that draft now In Bennett, Reinhart & Ekblad).

Word was Adams ask was Mangi & our 2022 1st for Reinhart. I dont blame Tre for not doing that one. Still I would have traded our 2022 1st to get Reinhart as he checks off a lot of boxes & we currently are sitting on a lot of available cap space to resign him. Our 1st next year probably will be way better than Florida's & Im sure we could have come up with something equivalent to Levi (not knocking the kid he looked pretty good in the World Jr's). But honestly, at 26, Monahan may no be a superstar goal scorer like Brett hull was but he's still in the upper echelon of goal scorers in the league. His shooting percentages last year were horrid, probably the hip factored into that.
- Kevin R

We’ll said.
I don’t get all this talk about Monahan losing value. He’s still the leading goal scorer from his draft year. He played hurt last year and was used differently when Sutter arrived. I for one would like to hang onto him as I think his all around game will be much better with Sutter. He’s being used to kill penalties for the first time in his career that alone will make him a better more aware defensively player.

Monahan on a downward trend??????? Really, players now at 26 are all trending downwards? When do they peak? Monahan has been in the league for 8 years, until last years covid & injury shortened year Monahan has 3 30+ goals seasons & 4 20+ goals, then last year was a rough year with a bad hip that needed surgery. I would say your expectations are certainly trending downward of Monahan but in reality, Monahan is what he is, a raw goal scorer. He doesnt drive play, he finishes. Thats what he is. Last I heard GM's like players that score goals. Reinhart has been in the league 6 years, has had no 30 goal seasons, highest is 25 but 5 of those 6 have been 20+. He's basically 2 years younger than Monahan (same as Bennett who ironically Florida have 3 of the top 4 picks of that draft now In Bennett, Reinhart & Ekblad).

Word was Adams ask was Mangi & our 2022 1st for Reinhart. I dont blame Tre for not doing that one. Still I would have traded our 2022 1st to get Reinhart as he checks off a lot of boxes & we currently are sitting on a lot of available cap space to resign him. Our 1st next year probably will be way better than Florida's & Im sure we could have come up with something equivalent to Levi (not knocking the kid he looked pretty good in the World Jr's). But honestly, at 26, Monahan may no be a superstar goal scorer like Brett hull was but he's still in the upper echelon of goal scorers in the league. His shooting percentages last year were horrid, probably the hip factored into that.
- Kevin R

My expectations are realistic but my evaluation is going back over the last 4 years to when he was considered a 1st line center that was good even when not scoring goals to the second line center that’s a ghost more often than not now. Maybe I’m misinterpreting some people here but it seems like some think that he’s going to bounce back to being a 1st liner which I just doubt will be the case considering his overall play has really taken a step back since midway through his statistically best season in our 1st place finish year.

Assuming him and JG are permanently split up I do believe he will be exposed because while mangi is great he’s not the type of playmaker monahan needs to have success. For me the difference between monahan and Reinhardt/buchnevich right now is that they’re starting to show that they can create their own chances while monahan is starting to show he needs someone else to create his.

It comes down to the other two being core pieces and monahan being a very good complimentary piece. There’s nothing wrong with that as similar players have carved out very good careers but considering you have to have that core guy to anchor that line set him up it takes a lot of teams out of the running who don’t have that type of player. Also there’s no telling when the numerous injuries he’s had will start taking a toll on his career

We’ll said.
I don’t get all this talk about Monahan losing value. He’s still the leading goal scorer from his draft year. He played hurt last year and was used differently when Sutter arrived. I for one would like to hang onto him as I think his all around game will be much better with Sutter. He’s being used to kill penalties for the first time in his career that alone will make him a better more aware defensively player.
- K-man25

While normally I try to be optimistic and I do hope you’re right unless he can do what TJ Brodie did this year and completely change his style of play most guys are what they are by this stage of their career.

Thanks John
I agree on the the fact that the Flames didn't address their prospect needs. I like the top 2 picks but would have preferred to see more d drafted.

I don't necessarily think the Flames need to do too much with their core, I'd prefer to make hockey trades and not simply get draft picks back. With Philly being so aggressive in changing their team, I wonder if there was any talk of Johnny going there?
- K-man25

What do you think go give hometown virtanan a shot

For me, the draft is once again about what I perceive as a missed opportunity...

2 years ago, I thought they should have traded back up in the 2nd to nab one of Leason, Lavoie or Sogaard.

Last year, traded out of Braden Schneider, then Lapierre to get Zary... Not necessarily bad, but how much would we be loving Schneider today?

This year, there was a guy who was a top five talent in Raty who falls in the draft and falls and falls and falls and, to me, you leverage your 2 thirds in a year where many managers were trying to hoard picks, to go after that kid. Thought the Flames missed a golden opportunity. The game after the draft, the kid goes and rips 4 goals.

He could be the Kucherov of this draft. Really hope that our kids pan out, but I just feel like it's year after year where there's a guy falling and Tre doesn't take a stab at them.

DuranDuran, how are ya?

What do you think go give hometown virtanan a shot
- pzoxic

Virtanen an interesting case. He’s seems to need out of Vancouver as that’s where he grew up. He’s being charged in a civil suit not criminal.
I’d rather stay away at this point and letRuzicka earn it.

Virtanen an interesting case. He’s seems to need out of Vancouver as that’s where he grew up. He’s being charged in a civil suit not criminal.
I’d rather stay away at this point and letRuzicka earn it.
- K-man25

If they sign Jake it needs to be an incentive laden deal tied to fitness testing and or games played. If the guy shows up fat and out of shape as usual then cut his ass.

The Flames website had a pretty interesting glitch this weekend that I ran into. It was an interview with one of our picks, and audio highlight play by play, for another player that we didn't pick - which was being played over the interview by mistake. I won't say the names for the good of the franchise, but I think it's pretty telling..

The Flames website had a pretty interesting glitch this weekend that I ran into. It was an interview with one of our picks, and audio highlight play by play, for another player that we didn't pick - which was being played over the interview by mistake. I won't say the names for the good of the franchise, but I think it's pretty telling..
- eastcanadAREaholess

Sillinger

The Flames website had a pretty interesting glitch this weekend that I ran into. It was an interview with one of our picks, and audio highlight play by play, for another player that we didn't pick - which was being played over the interview by mistake. I won't say the names for the good of the franchise, but I think it's pretty telling..
- eastcanadAREaholes

Classy.

DuranDuran, how are ya?
- VeryModernMan

Hey man, all good in the hood. Waiting for something to happen, if Pitlick is the best Tre can do we are fuked.

How’s things looking in Pits??? What would it take to pry Kapanen from you?

We’ll said.
I don’t get all this talk about Monahan losing value. He’s still the leading goal scorer from his draft year. He played hurt last year and was used differently when Sutter arrived. I for one would like to hang onto him as I think his all around game will be much better with Sutter. He’s being used to kill penalties for the first time in his career that alone will make him a better more aware defensively player.
- K-man25

Agreed, other teams also adapted to Gaudreau's game & his enter the blueline & curl to the boards, so you cant pin everything on Monahan. Previous coaches needed to break those two up awhile ago. If the return isnt much better than what we got for Bennett, then we keep him & try to build a few complimentary guys around him.
Sorry guys like Leivo, Ritchie & Simon arent top 6 players. Kinda why I wish Treliving paid the price to get Reinhart. Put him on a line with Lindholm & Gaudreau & then lets see what Tkachuk & Monahan can do together with a kid like Mangi.

You missed the part where the return for Reinhart was Mangi
I'm glad we didn't trade. MANGI, I think he could be alot better