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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Jul 11 @ 10:52 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Jones, Voracek, Offseason Inventory, Alumni
3flyerkids
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:18 AM ET
I was hoping they would have offered trade to TB last year when Cernak was RFA. I think the Flyers need to add 2 Dman , a partner for #9 and a physical presence that can play top 3-4 minutes
Jake for Tarasenko , would be good deal for both teams IMO. Flyers need sniper, Giroux could be great for him
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jul 11 @ 11:19 AM ET
Thanks bill.

This will be an interesting summer.

I would imagine they would prefer to send jake to the western conference in any trade.
iroc4me2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Spring Mount, PA
Joined: 06.17.2007

Jul 11 @ 11:28 AM ET
I’m still game for Risto in the top 4
GPerogie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hightstown, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 11 @ 11:28 AM ET
I would actually prefer to keep Jake over Tarasenko. Jake, though some flaws, is a team guy, pretty durable and gets his points. He's frustrating to watch at times, and I would love a little more shooting the puck and trying to take over the game - part of that is as fans we have seen that ability, but Vlad just seems like a risk they cant' afford to take even with the slightly less cap space.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:29 AM ET
I would not trade for Jones without an extension as the Flyers do not have the depth to take the chance of throwing away assets. He seems set on going UFA and seems to have destinations in mind as to where he wants to go and doesnt appear Philly is on that list. As far as Tampa is concerned love to get Cernak but Tampa has proven to be too shrewd with how to manipulate CAP situation etc. I expect they will make a deal with Seattle or wouldnt surprise me to see them expose McD and have him become Seattles 1st captain. ...as far as the Jake situation goes its not about the CAP it about the quality of the player vs the CAP. Jake making 8.25M isnt the issue its what he gives you for those $$ that is the issue. IMO he isnt going anywhere without some serious CAP retention and trading him straight up for Tarasenko would be a dream come true but not going to happen for number of reasons.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 11 @ 11:32 AM ET
If the Flyers could pull off a deal for Cernak. What’s the value of Myers in a deal? Is he too high a price to pay to entice Seattle to take salary Like JV/JVR or a lesser player like NAK? Or is his value via trade market more in line with being part of a bigger deal bringing back a top pairing RD?
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jul 11 @ 11:36 AM ET
I’m still game for Risto in the top 4
- iroc4me2


Yes. I wonder what the asking price is though.

Chicago is mentioned in a bunch of rumors. I would see if zadorov is available.

Also. If we lose a forward in the exp draft. And under the radar ufa I would consider is Alex wennberg. Thinking third line. If more money is available to spend, maybe saad.

A team that was widely reported to do a shakeup is Calgary. Haven’t heard much about them but they have some players I’d be interested in.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 11 @ 11:49 AM ET
If the Flyers could pull off a deal for Cernak. What’s the value of Myers in a deal? Is he too high a price to pay to entice Seattle to take salary Like JV/JVR or a lesser player like NAK? Or is his value via trade market more in line with being part of a bigger deal bringing back a top pairing RD?
- mikeyo27


If we traded for cernak I would only float Myers if as you said it was for that 1 st pairing player.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jul 11 @ 11:52 AM ET
I was hoping they would have offered trade to TB last year when Cernak was RFA. I think the Flyers need to add 2 Dman , a partner for #9 and a physical presence that can play top 3-4 minutes
Jake for Tarasenko , would be good deal for both teams IMO. Flyers need sniper, Giroux could be great for him

- 3flyerkids


I could come to grips for Tarasenko. Hope he could stay healthy. Flyers do need a shooter like him and have had the need for quite sometime.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jul 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
I would actually prefer to keep Jake over Tarasenko. Jake, though some flaws, is a team guy, pretty durable and gets his points. He's frustrating to watch at times, and I would love a little more shooting the puck and trying to take over the game - part of that is as fans we have seen that ability, but Vlad just seems like a risk they cant' afford to take even with the slightly less cap space.
- GPerogie


The health issue is the concern imo
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
I would like the Tarasenko option. If he is fit, he is a good sniper and a good 2 way player. If he goes belly up, it is just for 2 years and results in higher picks.

I wouldn't do Seth Jones. I believe that ship just sailed unless he really wouldn't discuss extension with ANY team at this stage.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:06 PM ET
Gotta take Senko. The rewards out weigh the risk.

-Proven goal scorer
-750k in cap savings
-1 year less

Seth Jones I would do only if its at the price of a rental
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:08 PM ET
Yes. I wonder what the asking price is though.

Chicago is mentioned in a bunch of rumors. I would see if zadorov is available.

Also. If we lose a forward in the exp draft. And under the radar ufa I would consider is Alex wennberg. Thinking third line. If more money is available to spend, maybe saad.

A team that was widely reported to do a shakeup is Calgary. Haven’t heard much about them but they have some players I’d be interested in.

- Peter Richards


Saad is staying with Avs likely..had a nice playoffs..would be surprised if they dont keep him.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 11 @ 12:19 PM ET
Good article, good examples of there are different routes to go to trade and change it up.

CF has no excuse, make it happen.

I would hate to see jake go but as long as it makes sense, you have to do it
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Jul 11 @ 12:28 PM ET
I would like the Tarasenko option. If he is fit, he is a good sniper and a good 2 way player. If he goes belly up, it is just for 2 years and results in higher picks.

I wouldn't do Seth Jones. I believe that ship just sailed unless he really wouldn't discuss extension with ANY team at this stage.

- PT21


PT, as Bill mentioned, SJ unwillingness to talk extension significantly reduces the price, Flyers should approach him with option for either way he wants to go.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:32 PM ET
PT, as Bill mentioned, SJ unwillingness to talk extension significantly reduces the price, Flyers should approach him with option for either way he wants to go.
- Letterkenney


Sure -but is that unwillingness for all clubs across the board? In that case, sure,price would drop, which is what I said...
Nh_kong
Joined: 09.21.2020

Jul 11 @ 12:59 PM ET
Something's gotta change. Several something's, imho.

I'd move Voracek for Tarasenko OR Patrik Laine (provided Vlad can pass a physical).

We'd actually end up SAVING a little bit of money on those deals.

If Seth Jones doesn't want to come here, (frank) him. Let somebody else overpay for him.




Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:06 PM ET
A major part of the Tarasenko rift with the Blues is that it took a third surgery not performed by the Blues’ medical staff to correct his shoulder issues. If the Flyers could swing a deal like that without giving additional assets (as I’ve seen reported on other sites), they should do it in a heartbeat. It’s been a long time since they’ve had a shooter like Tarasenko.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:16 PM ET
A major part of the Tarasenko rift with the Blues is that it took a third surgery not performed by the Blues’ medical staff to correct his shoulder issues. If the Flyers could swing a deal like that without giving additional assets (as I’ve seen reported on other sites), they should do it in a heartbeat. It’s been a long time since they’ve had a shooter like Tarasenko.
- Sinisalo4vr

They should trade for him in a heartbeat, the guy that just needed 3 surgeries, one out of network, to fix his shoulder? Sounds like he might be broken
Thrashahoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.07.2018

Jul 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
Nice write up Bill. Good stuff. Didn't even realize Cernak and Myers were the same age. Hurry up Myers!
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Jul 11 @ 1:37 PM ET
IMO the Flyers would regret trading Jake for Tarasenko. Tarasenko is a floater for the most part and the shoulder surgeries make him a high risk to reinjure. I watch all the Blues games and honestly I have witnessed the Blues getting smoked and Tarasenko skating around smiling and chatting with the other team. If I was his coach I would have benched him. You don't act like that when your team is getting hammered. He may be a nice guy and WAS an elite sniper but that ship has sailed. The only reason I would ever move Jake is because of that awful 9.5 cap hit for eternity, lol
Elvathadrin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 05.30.2021

Jul 11 @ 1:40 PM ET
I dont get the love for Tarasenko or trading for him, the reason the Flyers want to trade Vora is to move his contract to free up cap space.. the Tarasenko trade does not help them in any way shape or form.

First off Tarasenko saves the flyers nothing of note outside of one less year, second off his injury history is a massive red flag, hes not an upgrade over Vora... so if that's the only deal on the table hard pass.

The thing is the Flyers need cap relief NOW, not two seasons from now.

My personal belief, the Krakens take a cheap contract from us, not an established one, and we have pretty much the same roster this year as we did last year, not because Fletcher wont try, because Fletcher will have zero cap space to make a major move.

Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that the Flyers still need to resign Hart, Sanheim and get a backup for Hart. Everyone is also expecting both Hart and Sanheim are going to take smaller contracts because of one bad season, when both of them have had great/good seasons before, you cant guarantee both will take bridge deals. if they both take bridge deals its going to be between 3-3.5 each.. so bridge lets say 6-7 mil for both, then an extra 3-4 for a goalie.. total will be bridge wise 9-10 million for those three players, that leaves about 3 million under the cap. lets say both dont go for bridge deals, its going to be closer to 4-6 mil for both.. that's 8-12 million total.. no room for anything else.

The numbers dont lie, the Flyers have no space to do anything. I am also happy the Jones thing fell apart, I never wanted him in the first place.
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Jul 11 @ 1:41 PM ET
They should trade for him in a heartbeat, the guy that just needed 3 surgeries, one out of network, to fix his shoulder? Sounds like he might be broken
- ClaudeFather


Stay clear please, great way to make your team softer. Same with Gaudreau, as talented as he is soft and not a two way player. Carter Hart will tell you we need 200' players and less three on ones which is hard on a goalies save percentage.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:45 PM ET
They should trade for him in a heartbeat, the guy that just needed 3 surgeries, one out of network, to fix his shoulder? Sounds like he might be broken
- ClaudeFather

Maybe the first two surgeries didn’t fix the original problem. Sometimes in network is the problem particularly if the first surgery was botched.
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