You don't tryout one player at a time like you do one girl at a time.
- MJL

I am sorry that the limitations of your imagination and love life* are now revealed to coexist with the well documented crippling limitations of your understanding.

*I 'tried' many women at the same time when availing of such dating resources back in the day, and realizations of respective potential often occurred simultaneously in my mind.

Hes has to say he wont sign, thats his leverage. Its flyers job to change his mind.
- bradster

He likely won't change his mind. His choice is public knowledge.

Exactly. McKenzie compiles a ranking based on talking to NHL scouts. His list less than a week before the draft, put Patrick at #2. His hockey sense was rated 5/5. Competitiveness 4.5/5. Skating 4/5. Puck skills 4/5. Scoring 4/5. His projection was a premier #1 center with a comparable to Eric Staal.
- MJL

If that was bobs analysis he needs to use different scouts. Hockey sense 5/5? Please. Competitive I mean I’m not even gonna write these. Skating? Really 4/5??? I mean omg none of those are even close. Since day 1. They’re even more obvious now. Serious question here. Was the comparison to staal the early in career version or the current version? Because nopa always looked like the current version

I'm sure he was on their scouting list. I'm honed in on Point because he refutes your claim that the TB scouting is superior. I contend that they got extremely lucky with both Point and Kucherov. Even Palat. I believe he was a 7th round pick.
- MJL

So did the Red Wings get lucky when they just threw a bone out and drafted Datsyuk in the 6th round and Zetterberg in the 7th round?

You absolutely challenged Tomahawk to a bet.
- MJL

Let me know when you figure out that in no way precludes me making a bet with someone else, and following up about it with that someone else today.

Actually, come to think of it, don't.

I am sorry that the limitations of your imagination and love life* are now revealed to coexist with the well documented crippling limitations of your understanding.

*I 'tried' many women at the same time when availing of such dating resources back in the day, and realizations of respective potential often occurred simultaneously in my mind.
- PT21

Now we're onto the ad-hominen attacks. It's a well documented pattern you have. Debate me on the facts. Maybe we can have a bet!

So did the Red Wings get lucky when they just threw a bone out and drafted Datsyuk in the 6th round and Zetterberg in the 7th round?
- KGBflyers10

Absolutely!

Let me know when you figure out that in no way precludes me making a bet with someone else, and following up about it with that someone else today.

Actually, come to think of it, don't.
- PT21

I don't recall where I stated that you couldn't have or didn't make a bet with someone else.

Absolutely!
- MJL

No, you maroon, they were able to draft those players because they had A GOOD SCOUTING DEPARTMENT!!!

I am sorry that the limitations of your imagination and love life* are now revealed to coexist with the well documented crippling limitations of your understanding.

*I 'tried' many women at the same time when availing of such dating resources back in the day, and realizations of respective potential often occurred simultaneously in my mind.
- PT21

I guess yours reveal none of them were english majors. I can't imagine any of them tolerating such horrid syntax on a daily basis.

This is not a good point. Generational players such as Connor McDavid cannot change the status of a team without the depth behind him.



Can and may being the key words. It also may not. Trades often do not work out when trading top players.





He could but then who is the team's #1 center? Who is the glue player that helps aid in the development of the young players in the future? Who replaces what Couturier brings to the team?



Trading Couturier can also greatly weaken the team. Here is what you're missing in my opinion. Just like in previous conversations when you named Stamkos and Lecavalier. You keep the high level players that you think are going to remain high level. You try and move the vets that aren't in your future. Couturier is the first category. You keep talking about chemistry. There is no better player on this team that builds chemistry. That will help the young players develop. It may be a consideration, but it is one that you should consider and unless someone completely blows you away with a deal, you should pass on trading him and re-sign him.
- MJL

Trading coots can not weaken the team unless you’re taking bad contracts back. Which if you’re moving coots with eye to the future they wouldn’t do. It would be for picks young prospects things of that nature. They haven’t and won’t win with him because the team currently isn’t good enough. So who cares if this season is weakened by not having coots as long as move is made for future. You status quo types think this team can compete and laughable win. No one will change your mind. You will just conviently slide into oh team is better now after moves are made or trades happen or draft picks improve. You have zero thought process to the final goal. You are excuse makers and homers day in day out season in season out. Sad actually

And Stamkos hit the 40 goal mark 5 times. Including a 60 goal season.

Giroux hit the 30 goal mark once.
- Captain_Ahab

Since we are grading on goals, Skinner hit 40, want to trade for him? pretty sure buffalo would cut a deal

No, you maroon, they were able to draft those players because they had A GOOD SCOUTING DEPARTMENT!!!
- KGBflyers10

Their scouting department was so good that they had future hall of fame players ranked as 6th and 7th round players! LMAO.

So did the Red Wings get lucky when they just threw a bone out and drafted Datsyuk in the 6th round and Zetterberg in the 7th round?
- KGBflyers10

yes

I guess yours reveal none of them were english majors. I can't imagine any of them tolerating such horrid syntax on a daily basis.
- Thrashahoy

Hmm, upon careful re-reading, I see nothing wrong with my syntax, though your first sentence above is worthy of adolescent texting.

Now we're onto the ad-hominen attacks. It's a well documented pattern you have. Debate me on the facts. Maybe we can have a bet!

- MJL

This is the 2nd time in a row you have misspelled ad hominem, which btw is never hyphenated, and of course the third time you have displayed you don't know what it means.

Incidentally, do you remember this saying:

"Claude Giroux flashes some leather"

Hint: The quote is from Doc Emrick.

Their scouting department was so good that they had future hall of fame players ranked as 6th and 7th round players! LMAO.
- MJL

Honestly, at this point, I'm beginning to suspect that you're an actual Flyers scout.

I dont think it was strong and that has nothing to do with patrick. The reach and miss of Obrien still bugs me. Rubstov picks bothers me, however it was a weak draft. If you want to throw Patrick in there, then i really dont like Hextalls drafts. But you and i have been through all this before
- bradster

It may still bug you but it has not been determined that O'Brien is a miss.

He likely won't change his mind. His choice is public knowledge.
- MJL

if he gets traded somewhere he likes, and they offer him good money, he will sign

I believe the trade Couturier argument was predicated on the fact that he'll be some over the hill player that wont be able to live up to his contract while he quickly declines early into it.

Hockeybuzz insider information. Fortuanatley for us, other teams do not know this so they will be willing to give us their quality forwards and/or top prospects/draft picks for said player in decline.

Anyone also care to elaborate on the haul for Couturier? We talkin 3 forwards, 2 forwards, 2 forwards and a D? The entire Ottawa Senators?

Either way hopefully these new guys can get lindblom, patrick, konecny, Sanheim, Myers, Hart to play better. Cause we all know these damn vets were holding them back.
- Thrashahoy

Ideally if you’re trading for coots and giving up young players/prospects/picks or some form of you are a team on brink of serious contender. For example kings when they traded for Richards. And Carter. Coots is a nice player but you’re not getting a hula for him. You’re not reworking your whole roster and filling every team need. Realistically I could see something like a mid1st round pick and b level prospect or something like a top young high prospect and a 2nd round pick. Or a young nhl established player and 2nd and 3rd round pick. Something along that line. The advantage is to get something decent and NOT HAVE TO PAY HUGE CONTRACT which will bring problems in future.

There was no bet. Tomahawk made a simple statement of as well as Price is playing, they have as good of a chance as anyone. He is right about that.
- MJL

Oh yes sir

It may still bug you but it has not been determined that O'Brien is a miss.
- MJL

he is a miss right now, most everyone else drafted high like him are making contributions to their team, not him. Reach and a miss

The bet was with BeeGeeBoy. With whom I was talking. Nothing to do with Tomahawk.

Or indeed, you.
- PT21

Lmao

This is the 2nd time in a row you have misspelled ad hominem, which btw is never hyphenated, and of course the third time you have displayed you don't know what it means.

Incidentally, do you remember this saying:

"Claude Giroux flashes some leather"
- PT21

This is another pattern of posting of yours. You repeatedly tell people they're using the wrong verbs or have spelled something incorrectly. Or you tell them what they really mean.

I like it with a hyphen.

Ad hominin

"In a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

https://www.merriam-webst...m/dictionary/ad%20hominem


marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made


You repeatedly try to attack me personally rather than attack the points I made.

Honestly, at this point, I'm beginning to suspect that you're an actual Flyers scout.
- KGBflyers10

HAHAHAH, hilarious