Zucker and Matheson are hard to move because of their contracts, but Zucker would be easier than Matheson. That said, Pettersson shouldn't be hard to move at all.
- Rinosaur

Move Pettersson, re-sign Ceci (for cheap), bring POJ to the main roster, let Seattle pick up Zucker, use the cap space for a couple wingers like Hyman and a veteran goalie.

Tbh the DeSmith injury derailed us. We didn't have the confidence to throw Lagace out there when things didn't go well with Jarry. We wouldn't have this problem with DeSmith available.

Move Pettersson, re-sign Ceci (for cheap), bring POJ to the main roster, let Seattle pick up Zucker, use the cap space for a couple wingers like Hyman and a veteran goalie.

Tbh the DeSmith injury derailed us. We didn't have the confidence to throw Lagace out there when things didn't go well with Jarry. We wouldn't have this problem with DeSmith available.
- Barnaby36

You spelled Coleman wrong

Move Pettersson, re-sign Ceci (for cheap), bring POJ to the main roster, let Seattle pick up Zucker, use the cap space for a couple wingers like Hyman and a veteran goalie.

Tbh the DeSmith injury derailed us. We didn't have the confidence to throw Lagace out there when things didn't go well with Jarry. We wouldn't have this problem with DeSmith available.
- Barnaby36

I think this isnt noted enough. The Penguins had goalie depth this year with a good starter and backup. If DeSmith is healthy, I think there is a reasonable chance the Penguins are playing Tampa right now.

Doesnt excuse Jarry's performance, and I think the question is more about is Jarry or DeSmith a capable #1 on a team trying to compete... but no doubt we had the depth at the position. Just a really unfortunate time to get hit with a major injury.

I don't like the idea of losing Pettersson to Seattle. I think Pettersson could actually garner a decent return. Ideally Zucker or Matheson (highly unlikely) get picked up.
- Rinosaur

I think the Kraken would need us to pay them to take Petterson. They would jump at grabbing Zucker, anyone who thinks he is just a cap dump are nuts.

I dont get why Matheson is unmovable but Petterson has trade value... Matheson contract is only one year longer. He makes $900k more but the upside with him is just much higher.

I don't think either will be easy to move and I also worry about the term on Marinos deal. He is getting $4.4 for 6 more years and I'm not really sure what he is as a player. Has he already peaked or is he going to get better?

We should be able to move Zucker before the expansion draft. I'd be pretty disappointed if we lost him to Seattle for nothing.

At forward, we are protecting Crosby, Malkin, Jake, Rust, Carter, Kapanen and that last spot is open between Blueger, Tanev, and McCann. Of those 3, I'd protect McCann. Some would say gamble with exposing Carter and hope Seattle passes on a 38 year old guy. I used to be in that camp, but no doubt Carter has value now that Seattle could flip him for, plus he is needed here now more than ever with Malkin being out.

On defense, we are protecting Dumo, Letang, and _____. This blank leads for a good discussion about could we flip an excess forward like Zucker to a team with an open forward spot to use, but too many defensemen. I havent looked through the list of teams, but I'd bet one or two at least have that problem. That would make the most sense because there is no other defensemen on the Penguins worth protecting.

Ideally, you go into the expansion draft with the following exposed:

Tanev
Pettersson
Matheson
Jarry

We can afford to lose any one of those 4 guys.

I think the Kraken would need us to pay them to take Petterson. They would jump at grabbing Zucker, anyone who thinks he is just a cap dump are nuts.

I dont get why Matheson is unmovable but Petterson has trade value... Matheson contract is only one year longer. He makes $900k more but the upside with him is just much higher.

I don't think either will be easy to move and I also worry about the term on Marinos deal. He is getting $4.4 for 6 more years and I'm not really sure what he is as a player. Has he already peaked or is he going to get better?
- MacPatty

https://www.pensburgh.com...uins-stanley-cup-playoffs

Pensburgh Marino season review

I think this isnt noted enough. The Penguins had goalie depth this year with a good starter and backup. If DeSmith is healthy, I think there is a reasonable chance the Penguins are playing Tampa right now.

Doesnt excuse Jarry's performance, and I think the question is more about is Jarry or DeSmith a capable #1 on a team trying to compete... but no doubt we had the depth at the position. Just a really unfortunate time to get hit with a major injury.
- SuperHenderson13

Best goalie duo in the league.

https://www.pensburgh.com/2021/6/11/22526319/2020-21-season-in-review-john-marino-penguins-stanley-cup-playoffs

Pensburgh Marino season review
- j.boyd919

I stayed on the Maatta bandwagon long enough for it to crash and engulf me in flames. I will remain a little more lukewarm on Marino and his potential to be a value contract until I see a more clear turnaround.

I stayed on the Maatta bandwagon long enough for it to crash and engulf me in flames. I will remain a little more lukewarm on Marino and his potential to be a value contract until I see a more clear turnaround.
- Victoro311

He was paid for potential/fear he'd play even better than rookie season and would want even more money than what he signed for. His play this past season wasn't near good enough for what he's about to be paid this season. Sophomore slump perhaps, we hope.

Had the extension been signed this season or offseason he'd be a smaller cap hit.

I stayed on the Maatta bandwagon long enough for it to crash and engulf me in flames. I will remain a little more lukewarm on Marino and his potential to be a value contract until I see a more clear turnaround.
- Victoro311

I think Maatta's injury and illness is at least some kind of factor in Maatta never progressing or even returning to this rookie form. Maatta at his best since the injuries/illness still wasn't as good as Marino's second season.

I think at the very worst Marino regresses into a very good third pairing dman. Maatta is just not very good at much.

He was paid for potential/fear he'd play even better than rookie season and would want even more money than what he signed for. His play this past season wasn't near good enough for what he's about to be paid this season. Sophomore slump perhaps, we hope.

Had the extension been signed this season or offseason he'd be a smaller cap hit.
- MattStrat

Given that his contract comparable to production on the review was 6m+, I'd say I'm good with his contract, personally. I think he played much better once he get away from Matheson.

I stayed on the Maatta bandwagon long enough for it to crash and engulf me in flames. I will remain a little more lukewarm on Marino and his potential to be a value contract until I see a more clear turnaround.
- Victoro311

More like John Mehrino amirite

Anyone ever play Wanango Country Club? Heading there tomorrow for the first time.
- Thunderbolt

Pretty wide open course. Not too challenging so fun for the golfers who don’t play every week like myself. We have the company outing up there every year. No water to worry about either

We should be able to move Zucker before the expansion draft. I'd be pretty disappointed if we lost him to Seattle for nothing.

At forward, we are protecting Crosby, Malkin, Jake, Rust, Carter, Kapanen and that last spot is open between Blueger, Tanev, and McCann. Of those 3, I'd protect McCann. Some would say gamble with exposing Carter and hope Seattle passes on a 38 year old guy. I used to be in that camp, but no doubt Carter has value now that Seattle could flip him for, plus he is needed here now more than ever with Malkin being out.

On defense, we are protecting Dumo, Letang, and _____. This blank leads for a good discussion about could we flip an excess forward like Zucker to a team with an open forward spot to use, but too many defensemen. I havent looked through the list of teams, but I'd bet one or two at least have that problem. That would make the most sense because there is no other defensemen on the Penguins worth protecting.

Ideally, you go into the expansion draft with the following exposed:

Tanev
Pettersson
Matheson
Jarry

We can afford to lose any one of those 4 guys.
- SuperHenderson13

I'd protect Tanev 10 times out of 10.

I'd protect Tanev 10 times out of 10.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Tanev is like a poopty hybrid of Helm and Abdelkader. Definitely should protect him.

Tanev is like a poopty hybrid of Helm and Abdelkader. Definitely should protect him.
- Feds91Stammer

Nah, Abdelkader's hits might actually hurt someone. Tanev is 180 lbs because of the grease in his hair. Dude just bounces off people.

I'd protect Tanev 10 times out of 10.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Why would you waste a protection on someone who's not gonna get taken?

The one exception is Jeff Carter. I'm like 90% sure Seattle wouldn't take him, but if that 10% happens, losing him is actually a disaster. I still wouldn't protect him, but I get playing it safe. I don't want to lose Tanev and it would stink if he got taken, but he's not as important as the group of top 9/6 forwards that would be left exposed if you wasted a protection on him.

Why would you waste a protection on someone who's not gonna get taken?

The one exception is Jeff Carter. I'm like 90% sure Seattle wouldn't take him, but if that 10% happens, losing him is actually a disaster. I still wouldn't protect him, but I get playing it safe. I don't want to lose Tanev and it would stink if he got taken, but he's not as important as the group of top 9/6 forwards that would be left exposed if you wasted a protection on him.
- Victoro311

Agreed here. If Zucker, Blueger and ZAR are all available they'd get take way before Tanev and it's likely Zucker and ZAR are left unprotected, so I wouldn't waste it on Tanev.

I'd protect Tanev 10 times out of 10.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Protecting a 4th line player over several top 9 caliber players isnt good asset management IMO.

This team could absorb losing Tanev.

Given that his contract comparable to production on the review was 6m+, I'd say I'm good with his contract, personally. I think he played much better once he get away from Matheson.
- j.boyd919

If a WAR value chart is pegging him at being worth $6M it just tells me that WAR is a poopty way of calculating value. Don't get me wrong, I like him and I do think its possible he ends up earning his contract but I felt like Ceci was every bit as good as Marino this year at a cap hit of $1M.

Especially on a young defenceman, I will always prefer paying when you prove it rather than always trying to lock guys into long term contracts. I would have been much happier paying him $2.5M for 2 seasons and then paying him $7M if he turns into a top pair guy than overpay him forever in the hope he turns into a top pair guy on a cheap contract.

Given that his contract comparable to production on the review was 6m+, I'd say I'm good with his contract, personally. I think he played much better once he get away from Matheson.
- j.boyd919

Yeah but dishing out long contracts after only one season is risky and rare. Most times a player gets a contract like that there's been much more of a NHL sample size. If he gets back to his rookie season or close to it I'm totally fine with it obviously. We'll see what happens.

The greatest experiment the Penguins could try in Malkin's time off is to see if the centers can hold without him. If Carter comes in and plays #2 well... I think you have to consider putting Malkin on Crosby's wing.

I believe Malkin will finish his career as a winger and I think you could even get higher quality play out of him towards the end of his career as a winger.

The greatest experiment the Penguins could try in Malkin's time off is to see if the centers can hold without him. If Carter comes in and plays #2 well... I think you have to consider putting Malkin on Crosby's wing.

I believe Malkin will finish his career as a winger and I think you could even get higher quality play out of him towards the end of his career as a winger.
- SuperHenderson13

I think this is a good idea, so that they try to find the next #2 centre, then a few years after that they are gonna need a #1. Prob better off than looking for both simultaneously.

The greatest experiment the Penguins could try in Malkin's time off is to see if the centers can hold without him. If Carter comes in and plays #2 well... I think you have to consider putting Malkin on Crosby's wing.

I believe Malkin will finish his career as a winger and I think you could even get higher quality play out of him towards the end of his career as a winger.
- SuperHenderson13

Yes, hoping something like this is the plan. Only problem being after this season Carter is gone... who is the next 2C? Not easy to come by.

Cernak you dumbass