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Anthony Travalgia
Joined: 05.07.2019

Jun 14 @ 2:25 PM ET
Anthony Travalgia: So, about the Kraken
hockeyaddict89
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 02.26.2015

Jun 14 @ 4:00 PM ET
Stanley made it interesting for sure with this end of season play and the playoffs. Its a closer call now then in the past. He was like a successful John Scott lol.
Quillanrocks
Location: Courtenay, BC
Joined: 07.22.2013

Jun 14 @ 4:12 PM ET
As much as his "emergence" was a pleasant surprise this season, given Winnipeg's depth of young, developing LD (Heinola, Samberg) I would find it more disappointing to see Appleton go than Stanley. Because of that depth, too, I hope the Jets don't spend too much trying to protect Stanley, who's likely to be the Kraken choice, IMO.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 14 @ 4:28 PM ET
As much as his "emergence" was a pleasant surprise this season, given Winnipeg's depth of young, developing LD (Heinola, Samberg) I would find it more disappointing to see Appleton go than Stanley. Because of that depth, too, I hope the Jets don't spend too much trying to protect Stanley, who's likely to be the Kraken choice, IMO.
- Quillanrocks


That price has already been established. The Lowry signing all but guarantees that the Jets have an agreement with the Kraken in place, much like they had with Vegas. There has been way too much made about the expansion draft here in Winnipeg.

What we should be worried about is, whether Chevy has contacted Hamilton’s agent yet.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 14 @ 4:44 PM ET
The price to protect a defenseman similar to Demelo (+dano) from Vegas expansion was a downgraded 1st round pick + a third. For simplicity lets say this is approximately a 2nd round pick to protect Demelo or Stanley. That is almost an automatic yes.

The part we don't know about is whether Copp wants to be a Jet longer term. He is currently RFA and unlikely to sign for more than 2 years at around 4m/season (Perreault money). If its thought that he wants to be a Jet longer term then the decision to protect him is easy. If it is believed he wants to play in the US, similar to Trouba, then maybe we offer a 5th round pick to confirm that Kraken will take Copp. We save Appleton, Demelo (or Stanley), a 2nd, and money in a cap strapped league. Yes it is a short term loss since we will be losing a piece anyway and (assuming) Copp cant be kept anyway then it is a viable choice.

Jets will then have about 20m to sign Pionk, d to replace Poolman, Forbort and Benn, f to replace Stasny, Perreault, Copp, Thompson and Lewis, and PLD's contract next year... a raise from 5m (TBD)? There should be enough in there to upgrade one of the D from a 1m cap to a 6/7m cap hit

If we protect then sign Copp there isn't much room left for a free agent d splash, we lose a quality player (likely Appleton) and then next year we lose Copp too. Like I said - it all depends on whether Copp sees himself in Winnipeg longer term.

Am I wrong? is 1.5 - 2 years down the road too far ahead to consider?
Quillanrocks
Location: Courtenay, BC
Joined: 07.22.2013

Jun 14 @ 4:44 PM ET
That price has already been established. The Lowry signing all but guarantees that the Jets have an agreement with the Kraken in place, much like they had with Vegas. There has been way too much made about the expansion draft here in Winnipeg.

What we should be worried about is, whether Chevy has contacted Hamilton’s agent yet.

- TheUltimateJet


Cuz that's always Chevy's M.O. . . . to go out and overspend on top UFA's!
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 14 @ 4:54 PM ET
Cuz that's always Chevy's M.O. . . . to go out and overspend on top UFA's!
- Quillanrocks


Well it is in MO to take the whole summer off. And for the most part the entire season as well.
islansjet
Joined: 03.13.2017

Jun 14 @ 4:57 PM ET
The Jets can't afford to lose Stanley. If Copp wants $3 mil or more let him walk and sign Appleton. Maurice will want to keep older, slower players so expect to see DeMelo protected over Stanley.
Quillanrocks
Location: Courtenay, BC
Joined: 07.22.2013

Jun 14 @ 5:08 PM ET
The Jets can't afford to lose Stanley. If Copp wants $3 mil or more let him walk and sign Appleton. Maurice will want to keep older, slower players so expect to see DeMelo protected over Stanley.
- islansjet


Pretty sure Copp's looking for $4M +, and considering Lowry got more than 3 million recently, I'm pretty sure Copp wanting equal or better is not a stretch!

Appleton is still under contract, and I disagree . . . we CAN afford to lose Stanley if it comes to that. He's a rare specimen and a great surprise this season, but I think his ceiling is fairly low and I would much rather there be room to allow for Samberg / Heinola in the near future. (And coach Mo never likes too many youngsters in his lineup! LOL)

That's not to say I'm opposed to a deal with Seattle to ensure Stanley remains, but it's not anything I hope we brank the bank over.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
The Jets can't afford to lose Stanley. If Copp wants $3 mil or more let him walk and sign Appleton. Maurice will want to keep older, slower players so expect to see DeMelo protected over Stanley.
- islansjet


I agree. I think that Logan Stanley has a got a super high ceiling and I think that this year he was just scratching the surface. I think he has blue line anchor written all over him!
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 14 @ 5:53 PM ET
[quote=2.0]The price to protect a defenseman similar to Demelo (+dano) from Vegas expansion was a downgraded 1st round pick + a third. For simplicity lets say this is approximately a 2nd round pick to protect Demelo or Stanley. That is almost an automatic yes.

The part we don't know about is whether Copp wants to be a Jet longer term. He is currently RFA and unlikely to sign for more than 2 years at around 4m/season (Perreault money). If its thought that he wants to be a Jet longer term then the decision to protect him is easy. If it is believed he wants to play in the US, similar to Trouba, then maybe we offer a 5th round pick to confirm that Kraken will take Copp. We save Appleton, Demelo (or Stanley), a 2nd, and money in a cap strapped league. Yes it is a short term loss since we will be losing a piece anyway and (assuming) Copp cant be kept anyway then it is a viable choice.



In reply to some of the quote from 2.0:

Agree with your line of thinking! If Copp doesn't want to sign long term at reasonable rate, then he is either traded before the draft, or the Jets reach an agreement with the Krakens that they take Copp (and our 5th) and leave the other Jet players alone.

Can't ever see the Jets leaving Stanley unprotected, he gives the Jets a presence back there that we haven't had since Dustin, and he has untapped potential. If we lose him, we will regret it for the next 12-14 years. It simply can't be allowed to happen!

But if we can keep JoMo, Pionk, Stanley and DeMelo - and add, say, a Dougie Hamilton or a Seth Jones (convince him Wpg is a good place to play - and please don't say he is over-rated) and say add a long-shot UFA like Jani Hakanpaa (from the Canes) who hits everything in sight - plus have Samberg and Heinola in waiting, we will be in excellent shape again.

Actually if we don't get a big guy like Hakanpaa or someone similar, wouldn't be surprised to see Forbort return again. Just sayin'!
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Jun 14 @ 7:28 PM ET
I agree. I think that Logan Stanley has a got a super high ceiling and I think that this year he was just scratching the surface. I think he has blue line anchor written all over him!
- TheUltimateJet


Although the sample size is small, I agree. Stanley has performed at each level along the way and i think the potential for anchor is possible and Wpg should protect him. Took him a while to get to the bigs but, here he is.

Plus, if Demelo gets exposed and picked by the Krak, Demelos' replacement Samberg is a defensive Dman so that base is covered at a entry level contract.
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Jun 14 @ 9:25 PM ET
That price has already been established. The Lowry signing all but guarantees that the Jets have an agreement with the Kraken in place, much like they had with Vegas. There has been way too much made about the expansion draft here in Winnipeg.

What we should be worried about is, whether Chevy has contacted Hamilton’s agent yet.

- TheUltimateJet


Agree with your first point UJ. Jets could have had a deal worked out with Lowry that he would have signed 1 minute after the expansion draft, and let themselves protect Appleton.
They didn't so Appleton is exposed for Seattle to take, plus a 2nd or 3rd round pick to protect their 4th dman whoever it is.
Quillanrocks
Location: Courtenay, BC
Joined: 07.22.2013

Jun 14 @ 10:13 PM ET
The price to protect a defenseman similar to Demelo (+dano) from Vegas expansion was a downgraded 1st round pick + a third. For simplicity lets say this is approximately a 2nd round pick to protect Demelo or Stanley. That is almost an automatic yes.

The part we don't know about is whether Copp wants to be a Jet longer term. He is currently RFA and unlikely to sign for more than 2 years at around 4m/season (Perreault money). If its thought that he wants to be a Jet longer term then the decision to protect him is easy. If it is believed he wants to play in the US, similar to Trouba, then maybe we offer a 5th round pick to confirm that Kraken will take Copp. We save Appleton, Demelo (or Stanley), a 2nd, and money in a cap strapped league. Yes it is a short term loss since we will be losing a piece anyway and (assuming) Copp cant be kept anyway then it is a viable choice.

Jets will then have about 20m to sign Pionk, d to replace Poolman, Forbort and Benn, f to replace Stasny, Perreault, Copp, Thompson and Lewis, and PLD's contract next year... a raise from 5m (TBD)? There should be enough in there to upgrade one of the D from a 1m cap to a 6/7m cap hit

If we protect then sign Copp there isn't much room left for a free agent d splash, we lose a quality player (likely Appleton) and then next year we lose Copp too. Like I said - it all depends on whether Copp sees himself in Winnipeg longer term.

Am I wrong? is 1.5 - 2 years down the road too far ahead to consider?

- 2.0


I agree with all of this. Great points.

Considering all that, I even wonder if there would be an appetite for trading Copp ahead of the expansion draft rather than offering the Kraken a draft pick to ensure he's their selection. That would be losing him for less than nothing. But if they trade him for assets they can turn around and use those in protection of other assets (Stanley/Demelo). They would need a forward back in the deal whom meets exposure requirements; otherwise they can't protect Appleton. And I would feel pretty confident someone would give up a 2nd Rounder for a player like Copp.

I suggested this on CapFriendly, but maybe a deal can be struck with Detroit for one of their extra 2nd Rounders and perhaps Namesnikov (and more). That checks both boxes --- makes Appleton the Jets 7th protected forward. Then maybe throw that 2nd rounder (or the Jets' own) to Seattle plus a prospect and see if they'll draft a player of our choosing or at least leave a name or 2 alone when considering their pick.

If Copp is not meant for Winnipeg long, I'd say it's worth considering. Curious what others think?
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 14 @ 10:19 PM ET
Can’t lose Stanley, have invested 4 years in developing and it’s paying off. As far as a low ceiling, how low? DeMelo couldn’t score those 2 goals he had if it was in warmup with no goalies.

6’7” is rare, and with an element of real ability that can be built on...even rarer.


The league is littered with DeMelo’s and can be replaced much easier. Now I like DeMelo, he likes it here and is. Good match for an offensive LHD but Stanley gets the nod.
Tommycasino
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2018

Jun 15 @ 1:22 AM ET
First of all, forget Jones or Hamilton coming to Winnipeg… never going to happen. Chevy will never pay the price nor can the Jets afford it. Jones and Hamilton will have their pick of places to play, why would they pick Winnipeg? This has always been a major problem with trying to lure free agents.

Second, the Jets will need to find some blue line depth as I would be very surprised if Heniola or Samberg played in the NHL next season. Someone already mentioned that Maurice favours vets over rookies. That is 100% true, he has zero trust in rookies. They both, more than likely will play all season with the Moose.

I do like the idea to trade Copp (although I think he was one of their best players this seas) if they can’t sign a reasonable deal.

As for the expansion draft, I would let Seattle take whoever they want, no side deal. I am not as high on Stanley and Appleton as others.. they both have less than a full season of average or slightly above average play. We always over estimate our prospects and that is all they are at this point. We have better players than both of them in the system. But if the Jets are really high on Stanley then protect him and leave Demelo available, Seattle is unlikely to select big contracts. The power they have is cap flexibility and that only happens by selecting low cost or expiring contracts.

If you were to read some of the articles that talked about how Vegas chose their roster it would surprise you. They did much better with the side deals than they did with selecting players. Go back and read the names… I am sure that Seattle will emulate the process of Vegas and look to take low cost players with proven upside.

Calvin Pickard- Avalanche
Luca Sbisa- Canucks
Teemu Pulkkinen- Coyotes
Jon Merrill- Devils
William Carrier- Sabres
Cody Eakin- Stars
Tomas Nosek- Red Wings
Jonathan Marchessault- Panthers
Brayden McNabb- Kings
Connor Brickley- Hurricanes
Chris Thorburn- Jets
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare- Flyers
Jason Garrison- Lightning
Jean-Francois Berube- Islanders
James Neal- Predators
Deryk Engelland- Flames
Brendan Leipsic- Maple Leafs
Colin Miller- Bruins
Marc Methot- Senators
David Schlemko- Sharks
David Perron- Blues
Oscar Lindberg- Rangers
Griffin Reinhart- Oilers
Alexei Emelin- Canadiens
Clayton Stoner- Ducks
Erik Haula- Wild
William Karlsson- Blue Jackets
Trevor van Riemsdyk- Blackhawks
Marc-Andre Fleury- Penguins
Nate Schmidt- Capitals

Some of the players Vegas chose were byproducts of the pre-arranged deals made with teams such as Anaheim, Minnesota, Columbus, Florida, the Islanders and others to land either good prospects (Shea Theodore, Alex Tuch) or high draft choices (extra first-rounders that allowed them to draft Nick Suzuki and Erik Brannstrom and later flip them in the deals for Max Pacioretty and Mark Stone).

Ten of the 30 players chosen by Vegas never played for them and five others played 60 games or fewer. One half of the players they selected in the expansion draft didn’t make a meaningful contribution to the organization’s success.

Vegas didn’t need — or want — 30 players signed to NHL contracts coming out of the expansion draft. For starters, they only needed 23 to play in the NHL. Moreover, they had to find room in the lineup for all the warm bodies acquired in their side deals, which is really where the strength of that inaugural team lay.

Seattle will do some things differently, but accumulating too many contracts too soon isn’t going to be one of them.

Since that wasn’t an option, they dug deep into an organization’s system to extract a player that ranked low on the name-recognition scale, hoping there was a glimmer of an upside. Many times, their assessments were correct.

So maybe Seattle takes Mikhail Berdin if goalie choices are weak, as a potential steal of a promising young goaltender?

If the Jets feel they need to make a side deal, I would make it for Bryan Little. Little will never play again, but with a serious brain injury and 3 more years of $5.3 million, there is no way he will retire and forgoes the money. This way the Jets can get out of the cap problem.

kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 15 @ 4:34 AM ET
The Sabres would be interested in trading for Copp.

Copp is predicted to get $5M per on a 4 year deal per Evolving Hockey.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 15 @ 8:12 AM ET
First of all, forget Jones or Hamilton coming to Winnipeg… never going to happen. Chevy will never pay the price nor can the Jets afford it. Jones and Hamilton will have their pick of places to play, why would they pick Winnipeg? This has always been a major problem with trying to lure free agents.

Second, the Jets will need to find some blue line depth as I would be very surprised if Heniola or Samberg played in the NHL next season. Someone already mentioned that Maurice favours vets over rookies. That is 100% true, he has zero trust in rookies. They both, more than likely will play all season with the Moose.

I do like the idea to trade Copp (although I think he was one of their best players this seas) if they can’t sign a reasonable deal.

As for the expansion draft, I would let Seattle take whoever they want, no side deal. I am not as high on Stanley and Appleton as others.. they both have less than a full season of average or slightly above average play. We always over estimate our prospects and that is all they are at this point. We have better players than both of them in the system. But if the Jets are really high on Stanley then protect him and leave Demelo available, Seattle is unlikely to select big contracts. The power they have is cap flexibility and that only happens by selecting low cost or expiring contracts.

If you were to read some of the articles that talked about how Vegas chose their roster it would surprise you. They did much better with the side deals than they did with selecting players. Go back and read the names… I am sure that Seattle will emulate the process of Vegas and look to take low cost players with proven upside.

Calvin Pickard- Avalanche
Luca Sbisa- Canucks
Teemu Pulkkinen- Coyotes
Jon Merrill- Devils
William Carrier- Sabres
Cody Eakin- Stars
Tomas Nosek- Red Wings
Jonathan Marchessault- Panthers
Brayden McNabb- Kings
Connor Brickley- Hurricanes
Chris Thorburn- Jets
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare- Flyers
Jason Garrison- Lightning
Jean-Francois Berube- Islanders
James Neal- Predators
Deryk Engelland- Flames
Brendan Leipsic- Maple Leafs
Colin Miller- Bruins
Marc Methot- Senators
David Schlemko- Sharks
David Perron- Blues
Oscar Lindberg- Rangers
Griffin Reinhart- Oilers
Alexei Emelin- Canadiens
Clayton Stoner- Ducks
Erik Haula- Wild
William Karlsson- Blue Jackets
Trevor van Riemsdyk- Blackhawks
Marc-Andre Fleury- Penguins
Nate Schmidt- Capitals

Some of the players Vegas chose were byproducts of the pre-arranged deals made with teams such as Anaheim, Minnesota, Columbus, Florida, the Islanders and others to land either good prospects (Shea Theodore, Alex Tuch) or high draft choices (extra first-rounders that allowed them to draft Nick Suzuki and Erik Brannstrom and later flip them in the deals for Max Pacioretty and Mark Stone).

Ten of the 30 players chosen by Vegas never played for them and five others played 60 games or fewer. One half of the players they selected in the expansion draft didn’t make a meaningful contribution to the organization’s success.

Vegas didn’t need — or want — 30 players signed to NHL contracts coming out of the expansion draft. For starters, they only needed 23 to play in the NHL. Moreover, they had to find room in the lineup for all the warm bodies acquired in their side deals, which is really where the strength of that inaugural team lay.

Seattle will do some things differently, but accumulating too many contracts too soon isn’t going to be one of them.

Since that wasn’t an option, they dug deep into an organization’s system to extract a player that ranked low on the name-recognition scale, hoping there was a glimmer of an upside. Many times, their assessments were correct.

So maybe Seattle takes Mikhail Berdin if goalie choices are weak, as a potential steal of a promising young goaltender?

If the Jets feel they need to make a side deal, I would make it for Bryan Little. Little will never play again, but with a serious brain injury and 3 more years of $5.3 million, there is no way he will retire and forgoes the money. This way the Jets can get out of the cap problem.

- Tommycasino



If Bryan Little never plays again, he is not a cap problem. Maybe the opposite.

Now if he attempts to play again, the cap hit might be a problem.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 15 @ 9:40 AM ET
First of all, forget Jones or Hamilton coming to Winnipeg… never going to happen. Chevy will never pay the price nor can the Jets afford it. Jones and Hamilton will have their pick of places to play, why would they pick Winnipeg? This has always been a major problem with trying to lure free agents.

Second, the Jets will need to find some blue line depth as I would be very surprised if Heniola or Samberg played in the NHL next season. Someone already mentioned that Maurice favours vets over rookies. That is 100% true, he has zero trust in rookies. They both, more than likely will play all season with the Moose.

I do like the idea to trade Copp (although I think he was one of their best players this seas) if they can’t sign a reasonable deal.

As for the expansion draft, I would let Seattle take whoever they want, no side deal. I am not as high on Stanley and Appleton as others.. they both have less than a full season of average or slightly above average play. We always over estimate our prospects and that is all they are at this point. We have better players than both of them in the system. But if the Jets are really high on Stanley then protect him and leave Demelo available, Seattle is unlikely to select big contracts. The power they have is cap flexibility and that only happens by selecting low cost or expiring contracts.

If you were to read some of the articles that talked about how Vegas chose their roster it would surprise you. They did much better with the side deals than they did with selecting players. Go back and read the names… I am sure that Seattle will emulate the process of Vegas and look to take low cost players with proven upside.

Calvin Pickard- Avalanche
Luca Sbisa- Canucks
Teemu Pulkkinen- Coyotes
Jon Merrill- Devils
William Carrier- Sabres
Cody Eakin- Stars
Tomas Nosek- Red Wings
Jonathan Marchessault- Panthers
Brayden McNabb- Kings
Connor Brickley- Hurricanes
Chris Thorburn- Jets
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare- Flyers
Jason Garrison- Lightning
Jean-Francois Berube- Islanders
James Neal- Predators
Deryk Engelland- Flames
Brendan Leipsic- Maple Leafs
Colin Miller- Bruins
Marc Methot- Senators
David Schlemko- Sharks
David Perron- Blues
Oscar Lindberg- Rangers
Griffin Reinhart- Oilers
Alexei Emelin- Canadiens
Clayton Stoner- Ducks
Erik Haula- Wild
William Karlsson- Blue Jackets
Trevor van Riemsdyk- Blackhawks
Marc-Andre Fleury- Penguins
Nate Schmidt- Capitals

Some of the players Vegas chose were byproducts of the pre-arranged deals made with teams such as Anaheim, Minnesota, Columbus, Florida, the Islanders and others to land either good prospects (Shea Theodore, Alex Tuch) or high draft choices (extra first-rounders that allowed them to draft Nick Suzuki and Erik Brannstrom and later flip them in the deals for Max Pacioretty and Mark Stone).

Ten of the 30 players chosen by Vegas never played for them and five others played 60 games or fewer. One half of the players they selected in the expansion draft didn’t make a meaningful contribution to the organization’s success.

Vegas didn’t need — or want — 30 players signed to NHL contracts coming out of the expansion draft. For starters, they only needed 23 to play in the NHL. Moreover, they had to find room in the lineup for all the warm bodies acquired in their side deals, which is really where the strength of that inaugural team lay.

Seattle will do some things differently, but accumulating too many contracts too soon isn’t going to be one of them.

Since that wasn’t an option, they dug deep into an organization’s system to extract a player that ranked low on the name-recognition scale, hoping there was a glimmer of an upside. Many times, their assessments were correct.

So maybe Seattle takes Mikhail Berdin if goalie choices are weak, as a potential steal of a promising young goaltender?

If the Jets feel they need to make a side deal, I would make it for Bryan Little. Little will never play again, but with a serious brain injury and 3 more years of $5.3 million, there is no way he will retire and forgoes the money. This way the Jets can get out of the cap problem.

- Tommycasino


To the first bolded point. Not with that attitude Jones and Hamilton will not come to Winnipeg. Again, please name me a player that turned down significant more money from Winnipeg to sign elsewhere. I am talking $750K plus. Furthermore we have over $10M coming off the cap.

To the last point, Little’s contract does not affect the Jets. He’s on LTIR and as such is not counted against the cap.

A note about Copp. I would rather trade Copp for something rather than lose him for nothing in the expansion draft.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 15 @ 11:25 AM ET
To the first bolded point. Not with that attitude Jones and Hamilton will not come to Winnipeg. Again, please name me a player that turned down significant more money from Winnipeg to sign elsewhere. I am talking $750K plus. Furthermore we have over $10M coming off the cap.

To the last point, Little’s contract does not affect the Jets. He’s on LTIR and as such is not counted against the cap.

A note about Copp. I would rather trade Copp for something rather than lose him for nothing in the expansion draft.

- TheUltimateJet


There might be a trade out there that could work but keep in mind that Seattle will then take someone else such as Appleton.

The in/out would look something like:
Copp & Appleton for Joe 3rdLineProspect & 3rdRoundPick & 5m cap space

If we just let Seattle take Copp (we retain Appleton) it looks like:
Copp for 4.5m cap space

The question is do we want to take our chances on the development of yet another 3rd line player or do we still believe Appleton will evolve into a more special player? I'd take our chance with Appleton rather than another round of b prospects.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 15 @ 11:52 AM ET
Looking ahead there are a lot of questions to be answered for the Wpg Jets:

1. What is the scoop with B. Little? Will he return to play? I say "no."

2. Do Paul Maurice and Kevin Chevaldayoff return? I say "yes", others say "no"

3. Does A. Copp want to play in Wpg? If so, long-term at what? $4 mill a season?

4. Which PLD will we see next season? The Columbus 2020 PLD, or the Wpg PLD? Think there's a problem in Wpg for PLD? He certainly doesn't look like a happy player. Could he be dealt before training camp? Not likely! Winger or centre?

5. If status quo, who do we protect on D in Expansion Draft? I say "Stanley", others (Ross) say "DeMelo"

6. Apparently Nolan Patrick wants out of Philly? Do the Jets have interest?

7. Do the Jets trade Copp plus one of their current d-men for ??? to upgrade D? Would Dougie Hamilton ($7.5?) or Seth Jones (re-signed for 5 years) not look great in Jet colors?

8. Is Cole Perfetti ready for prime time next season? I say "no". If so, is he a winger or centre? Not sure - anyone watched him closely? Ville Heinol? Ready? - ???

9. Do the Jets re-sign Paul Stastny as they wait for Perfetti? I think "yes"

10. Do we need some more muscle on the blue-line? I say "yes' if we want to become more successful at playoff time. It's a different season then!

There you have them - 10 huge questions facing the Jets this off-season. There's probably many more, but all I can think of at this time!
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 15 @ 12:13 PM ET
Looking ahead there are a lot of questions to be answered for the Wpg Jets:

1. What is the scoop with B. Little? Will he return to play? I say "no."

Sadly for him No, his career is over

2. Do Paul Maurice and Kevin Chevaldayoff return? I say "yes", others say "no"

Sadly for us yes, they will both be back and even more shockingly all the assistant coaches to.

3. Does A. Copp want to play in Wpg? If so, long-term at what? $4 mill a season?

He wants over 5 on a long term deal and they don’t nor should they want to give him that. I think if they can land a UFA D like Hamilton or Savard. Copp will be traded or signed for two years and walked to free agency, which I’m fine with. He is worth more than just letting Seattle take him for free.

4. Which PLD will we see next season? The Columbus 2020 PLD, or the Wpg PLD? Think there's a problem in Wpg for PLD? He certainly doesn't look like a happy player. Could he be dealt before training camp? Not likely! Winger or centre?

I think PLD will be fine and settle in next year.

5. If status quo, who do we protect on D in Expansion Draft? I say "Stanley", others (Ross) say "DeMelo"

I say it has to be Demelo. We are a better team with Demelo than we are with Stanley, the playoffs proved this without argument. But looking at expansion Moch drafts. Seattle will have a lot of really good D to choose from domi honestly think Appleton will be there choice. And although we are weak on right wingers. Appleton is very easy to replace!!

6. Apparently Nolan Patrick wants out of Philly? Do the Jets have interest?

I said before, I’d do Copp for Patrick. Copp is the better player right now but like we have discussed. Does he want to be here? Patrick is high risk, high reward. Copp is steady good but can’t shoot at all

7. Do the Jets trade Copp plus one of their current d-men for ??? to upgrade D? Would Dougie Hamilton ($7.5?) or Seth Jones (re-signed for 5 years) not look great in Jet colors?

Seth Jones will never come here, not even worth entertaining that one. Hamilton has proven to be a weird duck, so who knows? That would be great

8. Is Cole Perfetti ready for prime time next season? I say "no". If so, is he a winger or centre? Not sure - anyone watched him closely? Ville Heinol? Ready? - ???

I’d love to see perfetti play another full year at Center on Moose, sadly that can not happen as per rules if OHL is up and running. So the question now is what’s better for him, play with the Jets or take a step back and go to junior? I can not send this kid to junior after playing a year on the moose, so to me, it has to be Jets

9. Do the Jets re-sign Paul Stastny as they wait for Perfetti? I think "yes"

As per above, I say no

10. Do we need some more muscle on the blue-line? I say "yes' if we want to become more successful at playoff time. It's a different season then!

If the muscle comes with talent and is an improvement over our current D then yes, but if the muscle is a Ristolainen type, hell no

There you have them - 10 huge questions facing the Jets this off-season. There's probably many more, but all I can think of at this time!

- grahamzky


See my answers above
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 15 @ 12:30 PM ET
To the first bolded point. Not with that attitude Jones and Hamilton will not come to Winnipeg. Again, please name me a player that turned down significant more money from Winnipeg to sign elsewhere. I am talking $750K plus. Furthermore we have over $10M coming off the cap.

To the last point, Little’s contract does not affect the Jets. He’s on LTIR and as such is not counted against the cap.

A note about Copp. I would rather trade Copp for something rather than lose him for nothing in the expansion draft.

- TheUltimateJet


Of course it's not possible to "name" an NHL player who has turned down, say, a million bucks to play elsewhere rather than Wpg. You think a player is actually going to say " I turned down $8 million in Wpg to sign in Tampa Bay for $7 million."

No of course players aren't going to publlicly say that. They aren't stupid - there may come a time in their career that they are banging on Mr. Chelakdayoff's door looking for a job.

But seriously, you don't think this happens? Rather play in huge U.S. cities and warm weather climate? Thing is once players actually get here, most of them like it - and don't mind staying (delete J. Trouba's name from this list).

They find opportunity knocking and a good place to play!
Napolean-Mennonite
Location: MB
Joined: 01.30.2020

Jun 15 @ 12:33 PM ET
The value for Copp will probably never be higher and I think it will take 4 to 5 million to resign him long term. Copp has even gotten the attention of some of the American hockey podcasts like Spittin Chicklets and Dropping the Gloves which never mention the Jets.

Copp is an automatic part of our protected 7. However, with his leadership and career year, maybe making him available in the expansion via trade can fill one of our holes. Copp and a pick or prospect to Seattle probably can get us our top 4 right side defenseman. Seattle has 30 picks with 23 roster spots so they will be looking to offload some of their picks. I could easily see them giving him a letter to wear with the team.

Trading Copp and promoting one of Harkins, Appleton or Gustaffson will save us another 3 to 4 million. With Perreault and Statsney coming off the books. We could take a swing at Hamilton with an overpay or go for a couple mid grade replacements like Savard and Larson. With a flat cap and more popular teams like Colorado, Vegas and Toronto with cap problems, it creates a problem for players whether they will take a cut in pay for a market that can't afford to pay for their full value.

Also, if Armia or Danault don't get signed by Montreal or Seattle, if I'm Chevy I go for one of them. Things may have changed in 4 years but when Armia was with the Jets, he lived in the condo next to my brother. Armia and his girlfriend did not want him to be picked by Vegas since his girlfriend would have difficulty with a working visa if they had to move to the US. This could affect his decisions with free agency.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 15 @ 12:40 PM ET
The value for Copp will probably never be higher and I think it will take 4 to 5 million to resign him long term. Copp has even gotten the attention of some of the American hockey podcasts like Spittin Chicklets and Dropping the Gloves which never mention the Jets.

Copp is an automatic part of our protected 7. However, with his leadership and career year, maybe making him available in the expansion via trade can fill one of our holes. Copp and a pick or prospect to Seattle probably can get us our top 4 right side defenseman. Seattle has 30 picks with 23 roster spots so they will be looking to offload some of their picks. I could easily see them giving him a letter to wear with the team.

Trading Copp and promoting one of Harkins, Appleton or Gustaffson will save us another 3 to 4 million. With Perreault and Statsney coming off the books. We could take a swing at Hamilton with an overpay or go for a couple mid grade replacements like Savard and Larson. With a flat cap and more popular teams like Colorado, Vegas and Toronto with cap problems, it creates a problem for players whether they will take a cut in pay for a market that can't afford to pay for their full value.

Also, if Armia or Danault don't get signed by Montreal or Seattle, if I'm Chevy I go for one of them. Things may have changed in 4 years but when Armia was with the Jets, he lived in the condo next to my brother. Armia and his girlfriend did not want him to be picked by Vegas since his girlfriend would have difficulty with a working visa if they had to move to the US. This could affect his decisions with free agency.

- Napolean-Mennonite


well thought out - good post
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