Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, and that was an obvious shot at Jack, Sam and Risto. I guess that's the Buffalonian in KA. We're a proud bunch and no one gets one over on any of us.
But, yes, he's got to learn when to hold em and when to fold em, for sure.
Chalk that up to inexperience, maybe?
We're never going to win a Jack trade. Let's just hope that we get something in return that we can all live with and it strengthens this team's depth.
It's terrible that it's come to this. - Powerslave
I still think the Sabres are going to get decent value in a trade involving Eichel. There will be plenty of teams bidding against each other to drive the price up. He currently has no control over his trade destination, correct?
You know a team is going to be willing to take a risk on him despite the injury concerns. I am hoping it isn't the Rangers but I could be persuaded to be excited too.
From an outsider view it appears to be the situation is somewhat like Edmonton where Chiarelli made such bad decisions that Holland needs to be God like to overcome them and build a legit contender. Is that more or less what Murray and Botterill did here? Or do you think ownership incompetence would ruin any GM?
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Jun 11 @ 9:03 AM ET
I still think the Sabres are going to get decent value in a trade involving Eichel. There will be plenty of teams bidding against each other to drive the price up. He currently has no control over his trade destination, correct?
You know a team is going to be willing to take a risk on him despite the injury concerns. I am hoping it isn't the Rangers but I could be persuaded to be excited too. - JRR1285
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Jun 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
From an outsider view it appears to be the situation is somewhat like Edmonton where Chiarelli made such bad decisions that Holland needs to be God like to overcome them and build a legit contender. Is that more or less what Murray and Botterill did here? Or do you think ownership incompetence would ruin any GM? - jfkst1
It's not any one thing. Tim Murray gutted the prospect system to where it currently resembled the Penguins system. He was bad at drafting and had no end game with his NHL roster.
Botterill was actually pretty good at drafting, but had a bad time putting together a respectable roster.
Bad coaches were hired. You'll notice there hasn't been a rehired ex-Sabres coach since Lindy Ruff.
Then there's the comedy of errors, their complete lack of self awareness, and total incompetence and mismanagement from the owners that has helped and directly created these situations.
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Jun 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
kiszla spared no punches:
--these sweet-skating Avs would win the Ice Capades, but they haven’t learned the most basic rule of playoff hockey: Backcheck. Forecheck. Paycheck.
--Sakic must acknowledge these Avs are too much dainty Sam Girard and not enough Alex Tuch, a big, meat-grinder of a Vegas forward that charges hard to the blue paint and will blow up MacKinnon against the end boards without stopping to ask mother-may-I permission.
--The Avs are teddy bears that glide through the regular season. But the playoffs are a whole different animal, a grizzly bear that Colorado must learn to wrestle.
--But isn’t it obvious what Sakic needs to do?
It starts with the dismissal of coach Jared Bednar. When he needed to make strategic adjustments, Bednar instead tried to shame his players into fighting for every inch of ice. The problem? These Avs are lovers, not fighters. They are pageant material, not championship material. - Michael Pachla
Cant wait for Colorado to make the same mistake Toronto did.
It's not any one thing. Tim Murray gutted the prospect system to where it currently resembled the Penguins system. He was bad at drafting and had no end game with his NHL roster.
Botterill was actually pretty good at drafting, but had a bad time putting together a respectable roster.
Bad coaches were hired. You'll notice there hasn't been a rehired ex-Sabres coach since Lindy Ruff.
Then there's the comedy of errors, their complete lack of self awareness, and total incompetence and mismanagement from the owners that has helped and directly created these situations.
Everywhere you look, there's failure. Everywhere. - TheSabresTaco
Good column. Gives clarity to what is likely happening.
Not unlike Ottawa setting up the deal to trade away Erik Karlsson. In the end, it turned out to be a fabulous deal for the Sens and an ugly dog's breakfast for the Sharks.
I think the same thing happens for the Sabres in this situation. The idea that Buffalo has no leverage is nonsense. As long as they have more than one buyer, they have a market that can work.
If you assume it is the Rangers and Kings that are first in line it is easy to identify 3 nice pieces from each of those teams. Anaheim could make it very interesting as they have great picks and prospects that could be applied for the right kind of deal. Philadelphia will kick tires but they don't have anything that works for Buffalo.
But, Rangers will be hard to beat. They have something other clubs don't have. They have a profoundly dumb owner who wants it all right now. As long as the Sabres can leverage decent offers from a few other teams, the Rangers will top it on the rebid. Go slow Buffalo, you are going to get an outstanding return.
You cannot find a fan in Ottawa who would ever want to reverse the Karlsson trade. I predict a similar outcome for Sabre fans as events unfold.
It's not any one thing. Tim Murray gutted the prospect system to where it currently resembled the Penguins system. He was bad at drafting and had no end game with his NHL roster.
Botterill was actually pretty good at drafting, but had a bad time putting together a respectable roster.
Bad coaches were hired. You'll notice there hasn't been a rehired ex-Sabres coach since Lindy Ruff.
Then there's the comedy of errors, their complete lack of self awareness, and total incompetence and mismanagement from the owners that has helped and directly created these situations.
Everywhere you look, there's failure. Everywhere. - TheSabresTaco
I always thought Murray was terrible. Nepotism was the only reason he ever got close to an NHL front office. He wasted capital in almost every move he made and that's inexcusable stupidity to damage the future AND not have a competitive team IMO. Botterill I did expect to be better. Rutherford went downhill immediately after Botterill left the Penguins org. Im a native upstate New Yorker and you guys are the only fan base in the NE US that i like so I do wish you the best.
I agree with Adams on saying he wants players that want to be here. If you don't want to be a part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Yes it sucks we are about to lose some good hockey players. Adams can't change the past, he can only try and hopefully fix the future. I am glad someone finally stood up and held his ground.
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Jun 11 @ 9:33 AM ET
I agree with Adams on saying he wants players that want to be here. If you don't want to be a part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Yes it sucks we are about to lose some good hockey players. Adams can't change the past, he can only try and hopefully fix the future. I am glad someone finally stood up and held his ground. - Buff36
As Friedman said, Adams can absolutely set the market by showing other teams that he won't be pushed into making a bad deal for his hockey club.
I still think the Sabres are going to get decent value in a trade involving Eichel. There will be plenty of teams bidding against each other to drive the price up. He currently has no control over his trade destination, correct?
You know a team is going to be willing to take a risk on him despite the injury concerns. I am hoping it isn't the Rangers but I could be persuaded to be excited too. - JRR1285
Yeah he has no NMC or NTC, he's ours to do with as we like. Rags have the stuff to get it done, but I'm still not sure he fits there. I'm thinking it's going to be MN, ANA or CAL.
