1st game: 2 goals against.

2nd game: 1 goal against

3rd game: 1 goal against

4th game: shutout

5th game: 4 goals against (in OT)

6th game: 3 goals against (in OT)

7th game: 3 goals against (1 was EN)

I'm still puzzled by the narrative that our defence and goalie should have been better.
- Atomic Wedgie

Stop using facts you will be blamed for being Tannereseque


But this. it boggles my mind and I think the Leafs are finally starting to (frank) with a lot of peoples brains on here.

Why aren't we talking about Kadri today?
- Atomic Wedgie

cause his suspension is over just like the Avs

There are only a select few on here that like to harp on Holl.

Funny enough when things don't go well those guys come out and harp on him.

It is hard to argue against him not being effective in his role.
- Santo_44

He’s not effective. Muzzin makes him look better than he is.

There are only a select few on here that like to harp on Holl.

Funny enough when things don't go well those guys come out and harp on him.

It is hard to argue against him not being effective in his role.
- Santo_44

I actually like Holl. I think he's an effective player and he's probably gonna be targeted by Seattle in the expansion draft.

He’s not effective. Muzzin makes him look better than he is.
- Steven_Seagull

Certainly helps playing with a solid partner.

non issue when they were the top team, but add in 2/3 other teams who are just as good and better. what happens?

you cant just sit with your feet up and congratulate yourself. its going to get tougher next season...make the moves now
- senstroll

Sure make moves to get better, and if a top pairing D is available and makes us better then great

But I am not actively looking to upgrade the D because it wasn't an issue, it was quite good.

I'd rather tackle the heart of the issue.

He’s not effective. Muzzin makes him look better than he is.
- Steven_Seagull

I don't agree, he has been good and effective.

I actually like Holl. I think he's an effective player and he's probably gonna be targeted by Seattle in the expansion draft.
- Scabeh

They’ll take Kerfoot. We’re gonna be stuck with Holl in our top-4.

I don't agree, he has been good and effective.
- Santo_44

That’s nice, you’re wrong, though.

Stop using facts you will be blamed for being Tannereseque


But this. it boggles my mind and I think the Leafs are finally starting to (frank) with a lot of people on here's brains.
- Santo_44

That’s nice, you’re wrong, though.
- Steven_Seagull

Cool, I disagree.

I actually like Holl. I think he's an effective player and he's probably gonna be targeted by Seattle in the expansion draft.
- Scabeh

Holl has gotten gradually worse as the season went on.
id expose him to Seattle for sure.
its fine if you can plug him on now as a bottom 5-6.
Leafs will need an upgrade in top 4 for sure

I actually like Holl. I think he's an effective player and he's probably gonna be targeted by Seattle in the expansion draft.
- Scabeh

I think Holl is fine as a 6/7 guy but not a top 4 guy

Certainly helps playing with a solid partner.

- Scabeh

When Muzzin was hurt last year, Holl sucked. Not a coincidence.

Cool, I disagree.
- Santo_44

Again, that’s nice.

1st game: 2 goals against.

2nd game: 1 goal against

3rd game: 1 goal against

4th game: shutout

5th game: 4 goals against (in OT)

6th game: 3 goals against (in OT)

7th game: 3 goals against (1 was EN)

I'm still puzzled by the narrative that our defence and goalie should have been better.
- Atomic Wedgie

Me too. For the first time in decades they were good enough to win. Unless they were supposed to score all the goals too.

Again, that’s nice.
- Steven_Seagull

He is underrated and seems Dubas thinks the same.

So put your feet up and enjoy watching him being on the team for the next few years

Holl has gotten gradually worse as the season went on.
id expose him to Seattle for sure.
its fine if you can plug him on now as a bottom 5-6.
Leafs will need an upgrade in top 4 for sure
- senstroll

I agree, I could Holl being taken by Seattle.. I actually think the Leafs protect Kerfoot.

He is underrated and seems Dubas thinks the same.

So put your feet up and enjoy watching him being on the team for the next few years
- Santo_44

Great. More first round exits to look forward to…

Great. More first round exits to look forward to…
- Steven_Seagull

You can always switch teams

Most hockey players are douchebags.

And I don't buy Kane is any different than the rest of them.

Would be a fantastic player for the Leafs.

Sharks should let the Kraken take Burns in the expansion draft and replace him with Rielly.
- Santo_44

Uh? first you say its media driven, now you say most are douchebags?
No, most are not doucebags.
Jesus

Uh? first you say its media driven, now you say most are douchebags?
No, most are not doucebags.
Jesus
- Fakepartofme

Don't be so hurt Fake, they are just words.

I have a friend who played on two NHL teams. Yes a lot are douchebags.

"Jesus"

He is underrated and seems Dubas thinks the same.

So put your feet up and enjoy watching him being on the team for the next few years
- Santo_44

His fancy stats numbers don't pass the sniff test for me. There's something else going on there.

His fancy stats numbers don't pass the sniff test for me. There's something else going on there.
- BINGO!

The Muzzin effect

I agree, I could Holl being taken by Seattle.. I actually think the Leafs protect Kerfoot.
- PatC80

It's going to be interesting to see what Dubas & Co. do.

One option is to go with protecting 4F, 4D, 1 goalie:

Tavares
Marner
Nylander
Matthews

Muzzin
Brodie
Rielly
Holl

Campbell

I'm wondering if Seattle will be interested in Kerfoot. He's kinda a guy that doesn't really check any one box, especially for an expansion club.

He only has two years left before being UFA.

He's not underpaid or overpaid.

He's not really "a strong veteran presence in the room who the kids can learn from."

He's not really top 2 line material.

Dermott may be more tempting.