1) Well there was that one time in 2017. But mostly I agree about it being more important now. Not sure where we get it other than if we can trade for Gibson which I doubt. What do we have that a rebuilding team would want?

Feds Bishop suggestion may be the best option. Just might need to take some gambles that pay off to get to that level.

2) Unfortunately it's hard to imagine finding more elite talent when we are so poor in prospects and picks.
- Tojo.

1) vs Washington in 2017 is probably the lone exception. That series should have been a Penguins loss. Gibson is the guy Im going after. The only reason Id worry is because maybe a hometown guy being the goalie is a lot of pressure. Still, he is signed at a good contract and can be one of the better goalies in the league when healthy.

What would Anaheim want? I think it is Jake. Jake is signed for several more years at a friendly number. And Im not sure Bob Murray said they were rebuilding. I think he phrased it more like a retooling. What would a deal look like besides Gibson and Jake? No clue, but I think that is the only way a deal could get done. Maybe a guy like Marino instead of Jake?

Anaheim i think has one of the better goalie prospects in the league. Not sure how far away he is from being ready. If they need Jarry to backstop until then, I'd be fine with Gibson-DeSmith.

2) It's not even elite talent we need. The Islanders are rolling through teams with a lot of low end top 6 forwards (besides Barzal). Crosby and Malkin need guys who can do the dirty work. Crosby had Kunitz for years, Malkin has had a variety of guys over the years. we never replaced those guys after 2017/2018. I really like Saad. We can offer him the chance to play for his hometown team. Maybe he doesnt care about that and is after the money, but if not, the Penguins can offer him what no other team can.

1) vs Washington in 2017 is probably the lone exception. That series should have been a Penguins loss. Gibson is the guy Im going after. The only reason Id worry is because maybe a hometown guy being the goalie is a lot of pressure. Still, he is signed at a good contract and can be one of the better goalies in the league when healthy.

What would Anaheim want? I think it is Jake. Jake is signed for several more years at a friendly number. And Im not sure Bob Murray said they were rebuilding. I think he phrased it more like a retooling. What would a deal look like besides Gibson and Jake? No clue, but I think that is the only way a deal could get done. Maybe a guy like Marino instead of Jake?

Anaheim i think has one of the better goalie prospects in the league. Not sure how far away he is from being ready. If they need Jarry to backstop until then, I'd be fine with Gibson-DeSmith.

2) It's not even elite talent we need. The Islanders are rolling through teams with a lot of low end top 6 forwards (besides Barzal). Crosby and Malkin need guys who can do the dirty work. Crosby had Kunitz for years, Malkin has had a variety of guys over the years. we never replaced those guys after 2017/2018. I really like Saad. We can offer him the chance to play for his hometown team. Maybe he doesnt care about that and is after the money, but if not, the Penguins can offer him what no other team can.
- SuperHenderson13

Murray finally used the word rebuild. People made a weirdly big deal about it because it was taken as a sign they finally admitted to themselves where they were at.

I could see Gibson being available. Good target. But I think they'd want someone younger than Jake. Marino might still be interesting there, but would that be the best offer?

Isles have done well winning some rounds the past few years, but I'm still not seeing them as a true contender due to the lack of elite talent you mentioned. Trotz is amazing though and that top D pair is really under-rated. So I personally wouldn't use them as a model, but I see what you are saying. I just do think they need younger stars and at least the Isles have that.

As the kids say, my bad, I thought we wanted to play to the Islanders. You know, the best match up, our offense being superior to theirs. What, with a three scoring line model, no way they can stop a three lines of scoring. Offense beats defense.

One thing I will admit is this, Carter was an excellent pick up. I didn't think an aging center would make a difference. Without him, we don't win as many games as we did. Both regular season and playoffs. On the other hand, if the true expectations were simply to make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round. Then what did we really gain?

McKinnon just Tom Wilsond a guy. Only he actually punched a downed opponent in the head, not the shoulder pad. Toss him and give him 10 games.

Girard has been atrocious this game.

Losing Tanev would certainly help the cap situation. He brings something unique to the Pens, but his talent itself is not unique and you can acquire it for much less money and term. You can save 2M easily by losing him in the draft.
- TopShelf66

Tanev will be protected in the expansion draft.

Murray finally used the word rebuild. People made a weirdly big deal about it because it was taken as a sign they finally admitted to themselves where they were at.

I could see Gibson being available. Good target. But I think they'd want someone younger than Jake. Marino might still be interesting there, but would that be the best offer?

Isles have done well winning some rounds the past few years, but I'm still not seeing them as a true contender due to the lack of elite talent you mentioned. Trotz is amazing though and that top D pair is really under-rated. So I personally wouldn't use them as a model, but I see what you are saying. I just do think they need younger stars and at least the Isles have that.
- Tojo.

I didn't hear that. I could definitely see them moving Gibson then. Do you think they'd want a key roster player if they're rebuilding? I'd imagine they'd want a serious pick and prospect package.

I wish we could trade for Alex Tuch. Guy can make something out of nothing

Vegas looks like they are in a pretty damn good spot cap wise with really no one to resign.

I hope fleury gets the EN haha

I wish we could trade for Alex Tuch. Guy can make something out of nothing
- TheGame316

Wasn’t he a throw in to pick haula from Minny?

Marchesault was something like that too wasn’t he?

Wasn’t he a throw in to pick haula from Minny?

Marchesault was something like that too wasn’t he?
- 10inchTerror

Yep, it was

"Don't take Dumba, take Haula and Tuch instead"

and

"We'll let you have Marchessault if you take Reilly Smith off our hands"

Yep, it was

"Don't take Dumba, take Haula and Tuch instead"

and

"We'll let you have Marchessault if you take Reilly Smith off our hands"
- TheGame316

Hah. Well 3 of those 4 players turned out really well for them

The Pens only have three untouchables (Sid, Geno and Letang). But that's only if Geno and Letang are willing to take significant home town discounts.

Given that Burke and Murray are close, and that Hextall and the Kings are close, here are the two likeliest trades that I can see. (I'm not endorsing either one, but thinking about how Hextall and Burke might want to move forward.)

Zucker and Jarry to the Kings for Kempe and Quick. (I realize that Quick is long past his prime, but he and DeSmith can probably split the season close to 50/50.)

Jake, Jarry and a prospect to Anaheim for Gibson and Danton Heinen or Max Jones.

I would prefer the Anaheim deal, even though it would be tough to replace Jake's production. Gibson in net for the Pens could be a real game changer.

Does MacKinnon getting eliminated early hurt or help the Penguins' chances to sign him when he's a UFA in a few years?

Does MacKinnon getting eliminated early hurt or help the Penguins' chances to sign him when he's a UFA in a few years?
- SuperHenderson13

Him and Sid used to work at a Tim Hortons together when they were younger so that obviously means they want to work together again in the NHL

Hah. Well 3 of those 4 players turned out really well for them
- 10inchTerror

and

"Take Shea Theodore please instead of Sami Vatanen"

"Take William Karlsson and a 1st instead of Josh Anderson"

and the kicker

"Take this 2nd round pick off our hand and PLEASE TAKE Marc Andre Fleury

and

"Take Shea Theodore please instead of Sami Vatanen"

"Take William Karlsson and a 1st instead of John Anderson"

and the kicker

"Take this 2nd round pick off our hand and PLEASE TAKE Marc Andre Fleury


- TheGame316

Haha yeah really makes you wonder what the team would of looked like if they protected him.

Haha yeah really makes you wonder what the team would of looked like if they protected him.
- 10inchTerror

As good as Murray looked and as much sense as it made to keep him for the future I am on record saying I would rather have kept Fleury even if it meant not winning another cup in this window. I like the guy that much

But I know we'd be better off. Flower matured with age and got over his headcase issues

As good as Murray looked and as much sense as it made to keep him for the future I am on record saying I would rather have kept Fleury even if it meant not winning another cup in this window. I like the guy that much

But I know we'd be better off. Flower matured with age and got over his headcase issues
- TheGame316

Playing behind teams with a defensive zone game plan that they practice and execute will help a lot with “headcase issues”.

You've mentioned "talking to Toronto fans" about this and that a few times but how many are you talking to in real in life? or are you reading comments on sites such as this? Me, I'm talking to multiple Leafs fans daily as I'm surrounded by them. They most all think he was pretty damn good and the loses were never really his fault usually. He'd usually be out-saving the opposing goalies by a huge margin.
- MattStrat

Nah. Talking to Toronto fans, friends from Canada. They say Campbell is better than Andersen and that the later gives up easy goals too many times.

and

"Take Shea Theodore please instead of Sami Vatanen"

"Take William Karlsson and a 1st instead of Josh Anderson"

and the kicker

"Take this 2nd round pick off our hand and PLEASE TAKE Marc Andre Fleury


- TheGame316

haha Jesus Christ

Nah. Talking to Toronto fans, friends from Canada. They say Campbell is better than Andersen and that the later gives up easy goals too many times.
- Barnaby36

Yeah....they dont always make sense and are true what have you done for me latelies with goldfish memories hahaha....this is me talking bad behind a lot of good friends and family's backs hahah

Campbell has been around a long time and has less than 100 starts, only 2 years younger than Andersen. Andersen has a much better sample size. I dont wanna take anything away from what Campbell accomplished down the stretch in the North Division, or the fact statistically he was better than Price in that series when Price is being hailed as the second coming up here, but that was a small sample of really great playing in 11 years or mediocrity since being drafted 11th overall in 2010. Hopefully he can keep that up next season for them.

So I’ve perfected the off-season plan.

Trade McCann to Seattle to ensure they take Zucker.

Matheson and 2022 2nd for Bishop and 2022 3rd.

Pettersson and Jarry for MAF.

Sign Tatar, Coleman, and Oleksiak.

So I’ve perfected the off-season plan.

Trade McCann to Seattle to ensure they take Zucker.

Matheson and 2022 2nd for Bishop and 2022 3rd.

Pettersson and Jarry for MAF.

Sign Tatar, Coleman, and Oleksiak.
- Feds91Stammer

Dallas declines

So I’ve perfected the off-season plan.

Trade McCann to Seattle to ensure they take Zucker.

Matheson and 2022 2nd for Bishop and 2022 3rd.

Pettersson and Jarry for MAF.

Sign Tatar, Coleman, and Oleksiak.
- Feds91Stammer

LOL no

Yes to the rest