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Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Jun 7 @ 11:00 PM ET
We definitely missed
- SuperSchennBros


yup. again.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 7 @ 11:08 PM ET
true. but i meant the whole series. and the one before.
- Briere


Havent watched every Habs game these playoffs but 3 points in 8 games isn’t lighting it up exactly. But he’s looked good when I’ve watched for sure.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jun 7 @ 11:10 PM ET
the worst thing about bypassing on Caufield was the fact that the fans were clamoring for a sniper. Then the Flyers have the audacity to turn around and select a small player in Brink in the next round. Just utterly ridiculous.
CRUSH IT LIKE ME
Location: Give me 20 of Kunitz vs 20 girouxs
Joined: 04.25.2021

Jun 7 @ 11:38 PM ET
the worst thing about bypassing on Caufield was the fact that the fans were clamoring for a sniper. Then the Flyers have the audacity to turn around and select a small player in Brink in the next round. Just utterly ridiculous.
- KGBflyers10

but they took a top 4, probable pp qb, so quit yer female doging
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 8 @ 12:46 AM ET
We definitely missed
- SuperSchennBros

We might have hit, too. Just in a different position. We dunno.

But man, a year ago I was clamoring HARD for Caufield. Could be that scorer we haven’t had in...well...way too long.

I remember that rollercoaster of him being available, trading back and flipping out, then he’s there again; repeat.

And then they took York.

It still might play well. We need a RD badly. But man, that kid is slick.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 7:50 AM ET
the worst thing about bypassing on Caufield was the fact that the fans were clamoring for a sniper. Then the Flyers have the audacity to turn around and select a small player in Brink in the next round. Just utterly ridiculous.
- KGBflyers10



If we actually took Brink instead of Caulfield I would be way more upset. But we didn't. So Ill wait to see how York works out since no one can argue that we need defense way more than we need forwards.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 8:01 AM ET
Havent watched every Habs game these playoffs but 3 points in 8 games isn’t lighting it up exactly. But he’s looked good when I’ve watched for sure.
- arichardson22



Yeah, he is a dynamic player for sure. He gets a lot of looks and I think as he gains (even more) confidence the game will slow down for him and some of those missed shots he takes will go in as he learns to be a little more patient.

He will definitely be a good one.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 8:49 AM ET
Being from Boston, I have hated the Boston Bruins practically my entire life. I became a Flyers fan in the mid 70s as Clarke was my favorite player and have thankfully never looked back. One reason for this is just the sour grapes you hear from the Bruins every single time they lost to a playoff series: "It was the refs fault", or "how could they call too many men on the ice at that point in the game??"

Waaa .. Waaa ... Waaaa!!

Well, they are at it again! Apparently nothing changes 4 decades later. The Bruins lost last night to go down in the series 3-2, but according to their coach Bruce Cassidy it was not because the Islanders played great. Instead it was because the refs call penalties on the Bruins that are ticky-tack (you know things like cross checking an Islander off the back of his head, or slashing an Islander that is breaking in alone to shoot on their goalie) but they don't call the same penalties on the "New York Islan .. ah Angels". Oh, and then my all time favorite, the refs show no respect for Patrice Bergeron because they throw him out of the face off dot 4 times because, well, he cheats every single time!!

Waaaa ... Waaaa ... Waaaaa!

What an embarrassing organization and what an embarrassing post game presser from Bruce Cassidy. Its a shame too, because as the late, great George Carlin would recommend, Cassidy should have just told his team "You LOST Bruins! You're a bunch of LOSERS Bruins!". I mean they missed out on that last night !
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 8:54 AM ET
Wut?


1) You are cherry picking. Leaving off the other good teams.

2) Oilers, Avs, Pens and Caps landed Franchise players via draft. These types are rare. They had to suck for a long time to land them.

3) Mantha, Guentzal, Stone, Patches, Ehlers, Connor and Marchessault are not better than the Flyers top players.

The Flyers top players are better than people give them credit for. This team had some big holes and they were exposed. Offseason we have to try to fill those holes but the other thing is we cant put too much stock in a COVID season. It was too wacky and all over the place especially when you consider the talent in our division. Face it we had one of the toughest if not the toughest division.

We arent the only team that underachieved. Rangers, Canucks, Flames, Dallas, Columbus and St.Louis all underachieved. Hell throw the Leafs in too since they got eliminated by the Habs in a division they should have been guaranteed to get out of.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I just picked a few playoff teams, but you are right, I could have also include the Rangers and Leafs also, since I would take their top paid players over ours any day of the week! And I'm sorry, if you don't think Stone is better than anything the Flyers have, you are not watching enough hockey.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 8 @ 8:54 AM ET
Being from Boston, I have hated the Boston Bruins practically my entire life. I became a Flyers fan in the mid 70s as Clarke was my favorite player and have thankfully never looked back. One reason for this is just the sour grapes you hear from the Bruins every single time they lost to a playoff series: "It was the refs fault", or "how could they call too many men on the ice at that point in the game??"

Waaa .. Waaa ... Waaaa!!

Well, they are at it again! Apparently nothing changes 4 decades later. The Bruins lost last night to go down in the series 3-2, but according to their coach Bruce Cassidy it was not because the Islanders played great. Instead it was because the refs call penalties on the Bruins that are ticky-tack (you know things like cross checking an Islander off the back of his head, or slashing an Islander that is breaking in alone to shoot on their goalie) but they don't call the same penalties on the "New York Islan .. ah Angels". Oh, and then my all time favorite, the refs show no respect for Patrice Bergeron because they throw him out of the face off dot 4 times because, well, he cheats every single time!!

Waaaa ... Waaaa ... Waaaaa!

What an embarrassing organization and what an embarrassing post game presser from Bruce Cassidy. Its a shame too, because as the late, great George Carlin would recommend, Cassidy should have just told his team "You LOST Bruins! You're a bunch of LOSERS Bruins!". I mean they missed out on that last night !

- jd250


I can’t believe Cassidy cried like that. Especially when Bruins rank top 10 (maybe top 5) in Penalty minutes this year. Whereas Isles were like 29th lol! What a candy ass excuse from a head coach. AV would be shredded if he did that.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 8:56 AM ET
Being from Boston, I have hated the Boston Bruins practically my entire life. I became a Flyers fan in the mid 70s as Clarke was my favorite player and have thankfully never looked back. One reason for this is just the sour grapes you hear from the Bruins every single time they lost to a playoff series: "It was the refs fault", or "how could they call too many men on the ice at that point in the game??"

Waaa .. Waaa ... Waaaa!!

Well, they are at it again! Apparently nothing changes 4 decades later. The Bruins lost last night to go down in the series 3-2, but according to their coach Bruce Cassidy it was not because the Islanders played great. Instead it was because the refs call penalties on the Bruins that are ticky-tack (you know things like cross checking an Islander off the back of his head, or slashing an Islander that is breaking in alone to shoot on their goalie) but they don't call the same penalties on the "New York Islan .. ah Angels". Oh, and then my all time favorite, the refs show no respect for Patrice Bergeron because they throw him out of the face off dot 4 times because, well, he cheats every single time!!

Waaaa ... Waaaa ... Waaaaa!

What an embarrassing organization and what an embarrassing post game presser from Bruce Cassidy. Its a shame too, because as the late, great George Carlin would recommend, Cassidy should have just told his team "You LOST Bruins! You're a bunch of LOSERS Bruins!". I mean they missed out on that last night !

- jd250


yeah, that was funny to watch. Mostly gamesmanship like Hitch used to do. BUt after watching every game so far, he is not close to being right.

If any coach would have had a beef it would have been Edmonton's coach. McDavid was mugged so many times without a call it was ridiculous. It made that series almost unwatchable. It had me glad Winnipeg got swept even though I hate Montreal.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 9:04 AM ET
I completely agree. Couturier+Giroux+whoever are not in that league. Further, we have no one in the system who is going to be that fast skating great playmaker the modern game favors. Frost apparently projected as a 2C according to his most ardent booster here, even before his injury, .

But, tell me this then. If you believe what you wrote above, and you get whoever as RHD, and by your admission, this does not raise the club to be at par with the clubs you have mentioned, how do you propose to bridge the gap to get to be at the level of those clubs? That RHD will likely drop your drafting position from 13ish to 18-20ish. Your salary cap will be maxed out.

Just keep drafting in that spot and hope someone pans out? How did that hope work out last 10 years?

Once you answer that question, the logic of trading Couturier (which will both get you high drafts directly, and indirectly by improving our own draft position) will not seem quite so "asinine."

- PT21

Where I disagree with you is regarding your position that you must pick in the top 5 in order to get a top player. Its not necessarily true. Sure in some drafts its true, but in others its not. The Flyers recall got screwed by the ping pong balls and drafted second the year Patrick Kane was available. They got JVR who turned out to be probably the best they could have done given what was in that draft class. Is JVR a top player? Was he ever?

On the flip side, the Flyers drafted Farabee and York at 14, both have the potential to become top players in this league. Colorado drafted Rantanen at 10 the same draft the Flyers drafted Provorov at 7. The Bruins drafted McAvoy at 14 and they drafted Pastrnak 23rd! And there are many more examples I can give you. Thus if you make the right picks in the 1st round you can get an impact player on your NHL roster pretty quickly.

I would not be in favor of trading Couturier unless I exhausted every other option or Couturier told the Flyers what Jones told Columbus, that he does not intend to resign. I don't think the Flyers are close to either scenario yet. I think the Flyers should get rid of Jake, JVR and Ghost to free up cap space, and then make some smart mid level FA signings, while also leaving room for Frost, York and Allison to get a full season under their belt and then evaluate what you have. That is the direction I would go.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 9:09 AM ET
yeah, that was funny to watch. Mostly gamesmanship like Hitch used to do. BUt after watching every game so far, he is not close to being right.

If any coach would have had a beef it would have been Edmonton's coach. McDavid was mugged so many times without a call it was ridiculous. It made that series almost unwatchable. It had me glad Winnipeg got swept even though I hate Montreal.

- MBFlyerfan

And the thing is, its not like the Islanders got 8 PPs last night. The Islanders got 4 PPs and cashed in on 3 of them. The Bruins got 2 PPs and got 1 PP goal. So there is no huge discrepancy here. How about Cassidy call out his penalty killers or Tuukka for letting up 4 goals on 16 shots! Hey Bruce, you think that had anything to do with it??
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jun 8 @ 9:19 AM ET
Where I disagree with you is regarding your position that you must pick in the top 5 in order to get a top player. Its not necessarily true. Sure in some drafts its true, but in others its not. The Flyers recall got screwed by the ping pong balls and drafted second the year Patrick Kane was available. They got JVR who turned out to be probably the best they could have done given what was in that draft class. Is JVR a top player? Was he ever?

On the flip side, the Flyers drafted Farabee and York at 14, both have the potential to become top players in this league. Colorado drafted Rantanen at 10 the same draft the Flyers drafted Provorov at 7. The Bruins drafted McAvoy at 14 and they drafted Pastrnak 23rd! And there are many more examples I can give you. Thus if you make the right picks in the 1st round you can get an impact player on your NHL roster pretty quickly.

I would not be in favor of trading Couturier unless I exhausted every other option or Couturier told the Flyers what Jones told Columbus, that he does not intend to resign. I don't think the Flyers are close to either scenario yet. I think the Flyers should get rid of Jake, JVR and Ghost to free up cap space, and then make some smart mid level FA signings, while also leaving room for Frost, York and Allison to get a full season under their belt and then evaluate what you have. That is the direction I would go.

- jd250
I agree with this, but how do you propose that they get rid of those 3 guys? Not gonna be easy. On another note, that Cole Caufield kid looks pretty damn dynamic! Ahole Chucky passed on him TWICE. Yes, I was screaming at my TV that night cause I saw interviews with this kid and he has the "IT" personality! He wants the puck on his stick in critical situations and he has the skills to back it up too. Looked pretty damn good setting up that OT winner last night....thanks Chucky!!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 9:20 AM ET
Bruce Cassidy Last night on Bergeron:

He was thrown out of what, the first two, three, four faceoffs he takes because someone mentioned (something). Have a little respect for Patrice Bergeron," Cassidy said. "He's up for the Selke Trophy. He's been a warrior in this league, a face of the franchise, he does everything right for hockey and sells the game. And that's the way you treat him? Come on.


So according to Cassidy, if your a nice guy and sell the game, you can pretty much cheat anytime you want. I mean, you can't make this stuff up!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 9:24 AM ET
I agree with this, but how do you propose that they get rid of those 3 guys? Not gonna be easy. On another note, that Cole Caufield kid looks pretty damn dynamic! Ahole Chucky passed on him TWICE. Yes, I was screaming at my TV that night cause I saw interviews with this kid and he has the "IT" personality! He wants the puck on his stick in critical situations and he has the skills to back it up too. Looked pretty damn good setting up that OT winner last night....thanks Chucky!!
- Phillywhiteout

Yes Caufield is playing well. However if York turns into a top paring defenseman and a PP QB, are you really going to be upset that Fletcher passed on Caufield? In that situation, I take York every time. It was not the same, for example, as when Hextall drafted a damaged Patrick while the next Bobby Orr was sitting there to be taken (Cale Makar).
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jun 8 @ 9:52 AM ET
Yes Caufield is playing well. However if York turns into a top paring defenseman and a PP QB, are you really going to be upset that Fletcher passed on Caufield? In that situation, I take York every time. It was not the same, for example, as when Hextall drafted a damaged Patrick while the next Bobby Orr was sitting there to be taken (Cale Makar).
- jd250
That's a big "If" and I realize that it's still early to determine if this was a major blunder, but I really think the Flyers needed a player like this badly to wake these clowns up!! He is a dynamic type player with a dynamic personality! This current team has too many introverts and fakes(like Fake Snoracek as an example). Caufield will be eligible for rookie of the year next year and I'm guessing he will win it. It just hisses me off that this is so typical for this organization. This guy seems like a great compliment to the veterans on the Habs and he would have been the same here. Again, I understand your point and it's too early to make an astute judgement, but this kid looks every bit as he was advertised. The problem is that the Flyers like big bodied players and the bigger problem is that the big bodied players on the current team are all soft as Charmain toilet paper.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 8 @ 9:56 AM ET
Where I disagree with you is regarding your position that you must pick in the top 5 in order to get a top player. Its not necessarily true. Sure in some drafts its true, but in others its not. The Flyers recall got screwed by the ping pong balls and drafted second the year Patrick Kane was available. They got JVR who turned out to be probably the best they could have done given what was in that draft class. Is JVR a top player? Was he ever?

On the flip side, the Flyers drafted Farabee and York at 14, both have the potential to become top players in this league. Colorado drafted Rantanen at 10 the same draft the Flyers drafted Provorov at 7. The Bruins drafted McAvoy at 14 and they drafted Pastrnak 23rd! And there are many more examples I can give you. Thus if you make the right picks in the 1st round you can get an impact player on your NHL roster pretty quickly.

I would not be in favor of trading Couturier unless I exhausted every other option or Couturier told the Flyers what Jones told Columbus, that he does not intend to resign. I don't think the Flyers are close to either scenario yet. I think the Flyers should get rid of Jake, JVR and Ghost to free up cap space, and then make some smart mid level FA signings, while also leaving room for Frost, York and Allison to get a full season under their belt and then evaluate what you have. That is the direction I would go.

- jd250

What do you propose to make this happen? Lets hear yor plan.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 10:07 AM ET
That's a big "If" and I realize that it's still early to determine if this was a major blunder, but I really think the Flyers needed a player like this badly to wake these clowns up!! He is a dynamic type player with a dynamic personality! This current team has too many introverts and fakes(like Fake Snoracek as an example). Caufield will be eligible for rookie of the year next year and I'm guessing he will win it. It just hisses me off that this is so typical for this organization. This guy seems like a great compliment to the veterans on the Habs and he would have been the same here. Again, I understand your point and it's too early to make an astute judgement, but this kid looks every bit as he was advertised. The problem is that the Flyers like big bodied players and the bigger problem is that the big bodied players on the current team are all soft as Charmain toilet paper.
- Phillywhiteout

Yes Caufield has the speed and skill, no doubt about that. But he lacks size and in the end against a good team, he can and will be managed. For example, I don't expect Montreal to get past the next round no matter who they play. However you are correct that the Flyers need Caufield's type of speed and skill injected into their lineup. You also right that the Flyers lack physical, gritty players; they have the size but not the willingness to use their size (Myers or Sanheim for example). All except Morin of course, which is why I hope the Flyers resign him. Even as a 6th or 7th defenseman, he adds value IMO.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 8 @ 10:18 AM ET
Yes Caufield has the speed and skill, no doubt about that. But he lacks size and in the end against a good team, he can and will be managed. For example, I don't expect Montreal to get past the next round no matter who they play. However you are correct that the Flyers need Caufield's type of speed and skill injected into their lineup. You also right that the Flyers lack physical, gritty players; they have the size but not the willingness to use their size (Myers or Sanheim for example). All except Morin of course, which is why I hope the Flyers resign him. Even as a 6th or 7th defenseman, he adds value IMO.
- jd250

Don't see how much value he adds playing 10 minutes or less a night.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 8 @ 10:19 AM ET
He will be back in a few weeks.
- MBFlyerfan



really banned? thought he was taking care of family issues.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 8 @ 10:21 AM ET
Wow watching the AVS V Vegas so fast and the skill. Same with Tampa series. The Bruins V Isles is a great series, skill and hard hitting. The Jets V Habs visually was just not good, it would look like either of those teams would get handled by any of the other 6.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 10:22 AM ET
What do you propose to make this happen? Lets hear yor plan.
- hello it's me 2050

I posted this before, but basically here is what I would at least try to do.
1. Get Seattle to take Jake. This means cover some salary (e.g. $1.5M per season) and sweeten with a pick or mid level prospect.
2. Trade JVR and Ghost. I think both have trade value now. In return try to get a legitimate top 4 (not necessarily top pairing) defenseman with size, smarts and grit.
3. Sign another legitimate top 4 defenseman FA, like Adam Larsson
4. Sign 2 mid level FA forwards that inject speed, skill or grit into the forward group (e.g. Schwartz and Saad/Foligno)
5. Sign a backup FA goalie (e.g. Frederick Anderson, Raanta) to augment Hart
6. Resign Morin as a bottom pairing defenseman that can give you PK time
7. Leave roster spots for Frost, York and Allison to get a full season under their belt.
8. If there is no real trade value, resign Patrick to a 1 year "prove-it" contract and let him earn his ice time. Otherwise trade him with Ghost and/or JVR, or use him to sweeten the deal for Seattle to take Jake and maybe not have to cover as much salary.

As I said, its easy to write these ideas down, but that is how I would approach it. I would go for depth and trying become tougher to play against versus trying to hit a home run on a FA like Hamilton or trading the farm for a player like Jones.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 8 @ 10:24 AM ET
Don't see how much value he adds playing 10 minutes or less a night.
- hello it's me 2050

He gives you physicality, which this team desperately needs, and I believe Morin is a much better PK than Provorov or Braun. I can see Morin playing about 13-14 minutes a game.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 10:27 AM ET
really banned? thought he was taking care of family issues.
- wcorvette



Yeah I think it was a 2 month ban he received.
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