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Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 27 @ 1:32 PM ET
What about Alexander Wennberg as a free agent? Same age as Monahan, and had a good year under Q. Maybe not as much offense, but better defensively. You could probably get him for less than Monahan makes, and don't have to give up anything.
- LAHawk

He'd work for the Hawks. And 31 other teams in the league.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 27 @ 1:43 PM ET
Oh I know that and I wasn't implying that "The" Dylan Strome and a newbie, unproven defenseman with "potential" would get a trade done.

I just think that if Calgary is ready to shake things up they'd probably move Monahan before Tkachuk and the asking price just may be a bit more reasonable.

- Rota's Rooter

I was agreeing. I meant the guy you said not going to happen too.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 27 @ 1:43 PM ET
Why the drop in point production?
- BetweenTheDots


Because he's a bust. Maybe I should pay more attention. This makes him sound pretty bad, Per the Flames writer, Todd Cordell:

Monahan struggled mightily in 2019-20. His on-ice impacts, as usual, were not great and his production fell through the floor. It was a given his numbers would dip after everything went his way in 2018-19 but the extent of the drop off was surprising.

Unfortunately, Monahan did not bounce back in the slightest this past season. The downwards trend actually continued.

He set new career lows in goals and primary points at 5v5 while his chance numbers were the worst they’ve been since his rookie campaign.

Take a look at just how large of a cliff he’s fallen off.



Monahan is not a play-driver and he offers very little defensive value. Essentially, if he’s not scoring; he’s not doing much of anything. And he didn’t score.

I mean, Derek Grant, Michael Raffl, and Jujhar Khaira scored 5v5 goals at the exact same efficiency as Monahan this year. That’s not the company you want your one-trick pony keeping.


Monahan is only 26 so a bounce-back is possible but, given the hard miles on him and the injuries he’s dealt with, it’s possible his best days are simply behind him.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 27 @ 1:45 PM ET
Seriously. How many players would have been out of the lineup in the 2015 Cup final if they did not play due to injury?
- Chunk

In '13 Bergeron was playing with a ruptured spleen?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 27 @ 1:50 PM ET
Seriously. How many players would have been out of the lineup in the 2015 Cup final if they did not play due to injury?
- Chunk

Toews will play next season with ALS, MS, CTE and cancer.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 27 @ 1:51 PM ET
Toews will play next season with ALS, MS, CTE and cancer.
- rpeters01


And at least two hangnails at the same time!
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 27 @ 1:53 PM ET
He'd work for the Hawks. And 31 other teams in the league.
- Rota's Rooter


But the majority of the 31 other team couldn't afford him if he signs for $4 mil. or above.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

May 27 @ 1:56 PM ET
Well played!!
- Chunk


Every now and then, I can come up with a good one
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 27 @ 2:10 PM ET
Because he's a bust. Maybe I should pay more attention. This makes him sound pretty bad, Per the Flames writer, Todd Cordell:

Monahan struggled mightily in 2019-20. His on-ice impacts, as usual, were not great and his production fell through the floor. It was a given his numbers would dip after everything went his way in 2018-19 but the extent of the drop off was surprising.

Unfortunately, Monahan did not bounce back in the slightest this past season. The downwards trend actually continued.

He set new career lows in goals and primary points at 5v5 while his chance numbers were the worst they’ve been since his rookie campaign.

Take a look at just how large of a cliff he’s fallen off.



Monahan is not a play-driver and he offers very little defensive value. Essentially, if he’s not scoring; he’s not doing much of anything. And he didn’t score.

I mean, Derek Grant, Michael Raffl, and Jujhar Khaira scored 5v5 goals at the exact same efficiency as Monahan this year. That’s not the company you want your one-trick pony keeping.


Monahan is only 26 so a bounce-back is possible but, given the hard miles on him and the injuries he’s dealt with, it’s possible his best days are simply behind him.

- Chunk

Well that is not a positive review.

Granted I don't watch a lot of Calgary games and I'm going off stats but, the guy has never missed more then a dozen games in a season since coming into the league so I don't think he's made of glass.

Maybe he is a bust. Or maybe a team can buy low on him based on the last couple of years.

My mentioning him was just a thought. We'll see what Stanley is up to soon enough.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 27 @ 2:15 PM ET
Well that is not a positive review.

Granted I don't watch a lot of Calgary games and I'm going off stats but, the guy has never missed more then a dozen games in a season since coming into the league so I don't think he's made of glass.

Maybe he is a bust. Or maybe a team can buy low on him based on the last couple of years.

My mentioning him was just a thought. We'll see what Stanley is up to soon enough.

- Rota's Rooter


My bust comment was tongue in cheek. I still like his overall game, and I think the "no defense" comment is way out of line. If anything, I would say that he is going through what Toews did a few years ago. His total body of work is still impressive.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

May 27 @ 2:15 PM ET
Seems like a reasonable trade to me.

And for the millionth time, stop mocking Canadians .... eh!

- paulr


It is not mocking, boyfriend, it is admiration for two little letters that say so much.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 27 @ 2:21 PM ET
Hey Scott, I know you're high on Mason McTavish being the Hawks selection in the draft. NHL Central Scouting just named him #2 for North American skaters behind Owen Power.

McTavish was actually born in Switzerland so in the event that Hawks do select him, he would have Kurashev and Suter (if re-signed) as possible mentors.
Most know that Kurashev was raised in Switzerland but is actually Russian.

- Theo Fox
read wiz's profile on him and checks a lot of boxes for the hawks. Other players hawks could select at 11 lambos raty and luzcius. If somehow hawks can move up and get johnson or Sillnger would even better. Just curious what would be package for monahan? I would pass on him.
FeatheredFinn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Tampere
Joined: 11.30.2014

May 27 @ 2:32 PM ET
[quote=Scott1977]

Kurashev with a goal and assist today as the Swiss destroyed the Slovaks 8-1.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 27 @ 2:34 PM ET
Just reading wiz profile on him i could see him as 3rd line shutdown center with offensive upside. Raty luzcius lambos are other players i was looking at the hawks could select at 11.
- Scott1977

If 3rd line is McTavish's upside, then I would aim higher with a 1st round pick. But if that is his floor and his ceiling is 2C, then definitely worth a look.

That was the same criticism of Anton Lundell last season. Many felt he would just be a really good shutdown 3C but he's proven that he may have what it takes to play top 6 in the NHL.

Aatu Raty has had similar critiques of what his ceiling and floor are at the NHL level.

I like Chaz Lucius but some feedback is that he's just a shooter so not multi-dimensional enough to be a high pick. Not sure if I would spend an 11th pick or higher on him.

Perhaps if the Hawks somehow got another 1st round pick in the late teens or 20's, then I would consider Raty and Lucius in the latter half of the 1st round.

As for Carson Lambos, he's worth considering. Big body, defensively wired, decent puck mover. The knock on him that I really don't see as a bad thing is his offensive upside may be limited. He's a defenseman so who cares as long as he can play shutdown defense in a top 4 role. That's what the Hawks need more of.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 2:37 PM ET
Because he's a bust. Maybe I should pay more attention. This makes him sound pretty bad, Per the Flames writer, Todd Cordell:

Monahan struggled mightily in 2019-20. His on-ice impacts, as usual, were not great and his production fell through the floor. It was a given his numbers would dip after everything went his way in 2018-19 but the extent of the drop off was surprising.

Unfortunately, Monahan did not bounce back in the slightest this past season. The downwards trend actually continued.

He set new career lows in goals and primary points at 5v5 while his chance numbers were the worst they’ve been since his rookie campaign.

Take a look at just how large of a cliff he’s fallen off.



Monahan is not a play-driver and he offers very little defensive value. Essentially, if he’s not scoring; he’s not doing much of anything. And he didn’t score.

I mean, Derek Grant, Michael Raffl, and Jujhar Khaira scored 5v5 goals at the exact same efficiency as Monahan this year. That’s not the company you want your one-trick pony keeping.


Monahan is only 26 so a bounce-back is possible but, given the hard miles on him and the injuries he’s dealt with, it’s possible his best days are simply behind him.

- Chunk


Ouch, thanks for doing the leg work, i was just asking that question as in the Blackhawks better do their homework. I don't think the Blackhawks can afford a fixerupper at that price
FeatheredFinn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Tampere
Joined: 11.30.2014

May 27 @ 2:47 PM ET
[quote=Theo Fox]
Perhaps if the Hawks somehow got another 1st round pick in the late teens or 20's, then I would consider Raty and Lucius in the latter half of the 1st round.

I have watched Raty the last year and he was in and out of the lineup all year and when he was there, playing small minutes, he was nothing to write home about so I would be mostly disappointed if they picked him. What is it about him that you like, Theo?

Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 27 @ 3:06 PM ET
[quote=Theo Fox]
Perhaps if the Hawks somehow got another 1st round pick in the late teens or 20's, then I would consider Raty and Lucius in the latter half of the 1st round.

I have watched Raty the last year and he was in and out of the lineup all year and when he was there, playing small minutes, he was nothing to write home about so I would be mostly disappointed if they picked him. What is it about him that you like, Theo?

- FeatheredFinn

Thanks for the intel, FF.

Honestly, I'm not too high on Raty even when he was ranked as high as 1st overall a year ago. Reading his scouting reports, I just didn't see him as a worthy high 1st rounder. My feelings were this is a weak 1st round talent pool if he's the consensus #1.

Even if the Hawks had another 1st round pick in the latter half, Raty would be on the list but not high up on that list. More like, yes, take him if the others on the list are nabbed by the time Chicago picks.

Definitely would take Lucius over Raty if it was between those two.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 27 @ 3:22 PM ET
Oh boy...

https://twitter.com/Fried...tatus/1397951449003433991

And for those that are twitter adverse: Elliote Friedman reports Erik Gustafsson to play Game 5 for MON.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 27 @ 3:25 PM ET
If 3rd line is McTavish's upside, then I would aim higher with a 1st round pick. But if that is his floor and his ceiling is 2C, then definitely worth a look.

That was the same criticism of Anton Lundell last season. Many felt he would just be a really good shutdown 3C but he's proven that he may have what it takes to play top 6 in the NHL.

Aatu Raty has had similar critiques of what his ceiling and floor are at the NHL level.

I like Chaz Lucius but some feedback is that he's just a shooter so not multi-dimensional enough to be a high pick. Not sure if I would spend an 11th pick or higher on him.

Perhaps if the Hawks somehow got another 1st round pick in the late teens or 20's, then I would consider Raty and Lucius in the latter half of the 1st round.

As for Carson Lambos, he's worth considering. Big body, defensively wired, decent puck mover. The knock on him that I really don't see as a bad thing is his offensive upside may be limited. He's a defenseman so who cares as long as he can play shutdown defense in a top 4 role. That's what the Hawks need more of.

- Theo Fox
i don't know what his ceiling is plus he can play wing i think he is a safe pick and sounds like a solid player right now. Wiz would know more about his ceiling.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 27 @ 3:25 PM ET
Oh boy...

https://twitter.com/Fried...tatus/1397951449003433991

And for those that are twitter adverse: Elliote Friedman reports Erik Gustafsson to play Game 5 for MON.

- Rota's Rooter


Do they only have 5 forwards that can dress?
FeatheredFinn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Tampere
Joined: 11.30.2014

May 27 @ 3:30 PM ET
Kubes with two assists tonight when the Czech beat the Swedes 4-2.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 27 @ 3:42 PM ET
No hockey talk boys, as the first trailer of the movie OLD, my grandson has a major role in just dropped:
He is in the photo before the teaser

https://screenrant.com/ol...railer-m-night-shyamalan/


I read all about successful teams but don't dismiss who the hawks played in their second Cup victory...Boston Bruins.

Hawks team went one wy there's still hallenging.

We couldn't make Panarin work of we would have a top line.

How did they manage?
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 27 @ 4:33 PM ET
Thanks for the intel, FF.

Honestly, I'm not too high on Raty even when he was ranked as high as 1st overall a year ago. Reading his scouting reports, I just didn't see him as a worthy high 1st rounder. My feelings were this is a weak 1st round talent pool if he's the consensus #1.

Even if the Hawks had another 1st round pick in the latter half, Raty would be on the list but not high up on that list. More like, yes, take him if the others on the list are nabbed by the time Chicago picks.

Definitely would take Lucius over Raty if it was between those two.

- Theo Fox

Theo this just my opinion if Mctavish ceiling is 2nd line center or winger great if his floor is 3rd line shutdown center thats good also if the hawks pick him. This is very hard draft class to judge due to the covo pandemic and hockey being shut down or playing minimal games. But just reading wiz's description of Mctavish seems like he would be a safe pick in this draft. Lambos also fits with being a reliable defensive defense men another safe pick imo. Wiz would probably give a better perspective on these two players than i would. Hoping for Johnson or Sillnger but more likely ending up with lambos or Mctavish.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

May 27 @ 5:33 PM ET
Why the drop in point production?
- BetweenTheDots

He played hurt a lot this past season
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 27 @ 6:37 PM ET
He played hurt a lot this past season
- GPHawksfan


Last couple of years?

Didn't affect Kane's point production playing hurt
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