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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Apr 21 @ 3:56 AM ET
Theo Fox: Game 47 @ Predators
A preview to the Blackhawks must-win game versus the Predators in order to be eligible to pull even at 4th place by the end of the 3-game series.

Plus, an early look at Chicago's potential lists for the Seattle expansion draft.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 21 @ 4:40 AM ET
The Kraken has to meet a salary cap. They can do this most certainly with transactions after the draft and before their inaugural season opener. There could be an agreement to move a contract to Seattle based on criteria, such as whether a draft choice is involved and what year.

Complicated trades could not be revealed until teams see their final.option. For example, if Carpenter is not drafted, does some team take him for flipping late round draft choices. And if Chicago signs then trades him, does the draft choice as renumeratiin go from 7th to 8th round or the inverse? Even become a 2022 or later choice, but a 6th?

I see very clearly that Seattle should hope to draft any of Stillman, Zadorov, Strome. They can be flipped for a different style player any time. This may impact whether Seattle determines which thet desire more: experienced player whom is more likely a known value than perhaps the better prospect but less established Stillman.

I am sure others could draw up numerous trade scenarios with conditions attached. I do not foresee hardly any value received before the draft for players as Seattle shouldn't be trading future asses for limited value players. Ron Francis, Kraken GM, is pretty sharp and I predict that he will do a good job forming the Seattle roster

I happened to think of Paul Woods, a Red Wings depth forward a long time ago, whom was brutal in breakaways. He got many but rarely scored. HawkintheD, would you rank Woods as the worst you have seen on break aways or is there a Chicago or other NHL player whom was worse
stonefire
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Prague
Joined: 10.22.2006

Apr 21 @ 6:01 AM ET
According to CapFriendly, though, Borgstrom doesn't meet the games played requirement to be eligible for exposure being 27 games away from the threshold. If that is in fact true, that is a plus for Chicago so they can use one of their protection slots on someone else.


Is that so? My understanding is that every team has to expose at least 2 F, 1 D and 1 G who meet requirements. But that does not say anything about Borgstrom et al being exempt when they don’t, they are simply exposed as well.

The requirement is not to be eligible for exposure, but for the club to leave something meaningful for Seattle, in addition to all else.

In that case, I believe Hawks have to protect Borgstrom, why else include him in the trade… And I suppose Kämpf is going to be left exposed, it is difficult to imagine anyone willing to pay him 1M+ on his QA, be it Chicago or Seattle.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 21 @ 7:09 AM ET
Kampf is a nice player to have but not someone you desire to go after. He is one dimensional. Nice contract, has experience but anyone wants to add other pieces first.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 21 @ 7:23 AM ET
I happened to think of Paul Woods, a Red Wings depth forward a long time ago, whom was brutal in breakaways. He got many but rarely scored. HawkintheD, would you rank Woods as the worst you have seen on break aways or is there a Chicago or other NHL player whom was worse
- jhawk59


Hey J, and Thanks Theo!

Sorry J, while I was a teenager during Woods career, I don't remember him at all. I was living in Metro Chicago and didn't move up here til about 2011.

I do remember guys like John Ogrodnick and Reed Larson, but those were some really bad Red Wing teams.

With a nod to Ogi, I'd have Patrick Sharp as my worst at converting on breakaways. At least for me he's the one that seems to stick out like a sore thumb.

On Carpenter, I don't think the problem is as complicated as you've made it. He makes $1M for one more year, so he could go to the Hogs without any consequence...unless you consider him getting claimed on waivers which I'd call a win/win.

Also, Theo, I know it's a small sample size, but he'll make less and provide similar if not possibly better play on defense so I protect Stillman over Zadorov.

Your forward list looks fine to me especially given the guys that don't require protection due to lack of NHL experience (Dach, Kurashev, Suter, Kubes).

If Borgstrom does require being protected as Stonefire mentions, I'd expose Kampf. Was thinking possibly Strome but Stan could possibly get something for him in trade.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 21 @ 7:31 AM ET
Hey J, and Thanks Theo!

Sorry J, while I was a teenager during Woods career, I don't remember him at all. I was living in Metro Chicago and didn't move up here til about 2011.

I do remember guys like John Ogrodnick and Reed Larson, but those were some really bad Red Wing teams.

With a nod to Ogi, I'd have Patrick Sharp as my worst at converting on breakaways. At least for me he's the one that seems to stick out like a sore thumb.

On Carpenter, I don't think the problem is as complicated as you've made it. He makes $1M for one more year, so he could go to the Hogs without any consequence...unless you consider him getting claimed on waivers which I'd call a win/win.

Also, Theo, I know it's a small sample size, but he'll make less and provide similar if not possibly better play on defense so I protect Stillman over Zadorov.

Your forward list looks fine to me especially given the guys that don't require protection due to lack of NHL experience (Dach, Kurashev, Suter, Kubes).

- HawkintheD


I just used Carpenter as an example of someone who gets moved even just exchange of late round draft choices. I do not have a preference what happens with him; we just have a lot of better kids in the AHL coming along. Carpenter will land somewhere because he will sign cheap, is a descent veteran and not too soft. Moreover, the taxi squads or just having extra players available is IMHO back next year as covid will still be lurking. Even your example is viable
SaskHawkFan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: SK
Joined: 05.18.2014

Apr 21 @ 8:29 AM ET
Is that so? My understanding is that every team has to expose at least 2 F, 1 D and 1 G who meet requirements. But that does not say anything about Borgstrom et al being exempt when they don’t, they are simply exposed as well.

The requirement is not to be eligible for exposure, but for the club to leave something meaningful for Seattle, in addition to all else.

In that case, I believe Hawks have to protect Borgstrom, why else include him in the trade… And I suppose Kämpf is going to be left exposed, it is difficult to imagine anyone willing to pay him 1M+ on his QA, be it Chicago or Seattle.

- stonefire


I spend last Sunday watching clips of our new arrivals and if Brogstrom can put together what he did in college he will be a monster.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 21 @ 8:36 AM ET
I spend last Sunday watching clips of our new arrivals and if Brogstrom can put together what he did in college he will be a monster.
- SaskHawkFan


Watched college clips on him too. Some of those stick handling moves he was making were sick.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 21 @ 8:45 AM ET
I'm not clear on the concept of exposed players that are RFA/UFA at the end of this season.

Example: Gaudette is a RFA at the end of this season. Are the Hawks required to have him under contract or have submitted a QO in order to expose him?

What about Hinostoza? He's a UFA when the season is done?

I thought exposed players had to be under contract.

kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Apr 21 @ 9:12 AM ET
so really the only thing that matters is how many years he has been signed to a contract if its 3 years this year and he is under contract, a pending UFA or RFA you either have to protect them or they are avlaible to be taken by Seattle. techinally both UFA and RFA's are still under contract from this season when the EXP draft happens. the GM would probably not take a UFA because 2 weeks after the draft he becomes a UFA IE they could lose him wihtout signing him or in the other case sign him and not take them in the EXP. you have to expose 2 forwards and 1 d that has played a certain # of games over the last 2 years and 1 goalie under contract, but Seattle will have a much larger group to pick from. this more of a Min requirement. my guess is they will Stay with Cheap RFA's in the EXP draft unless you add to get them to take some one like dehaan. UFA's contracts are so cheap right now why would you take dehaan at 4.5 when he would probably only get 2.5 on the UFA market.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 21 @ 9:19 AM ET
They will take who they believe is the best player available (or position player available) from each team. They can't take all cheap because they still need to get to the $61 mil. cap (why Fleury was perfect for Vegas, and helped Pittsburgh get out of cap hell and they had a new #1 in Murray).

I don't think the GM's are going to make the same mistake as last time (like when Tallon basically gave the Knights Marsechaullt and Smith) in order for the Knights not to take someone else. As Stan said it is only one player. I doubt Kampf is picked, I doubt Zadorov is picked because then the Kraken will have contract negotiations to contend with. My guess it is Da Hann, one more year at $4.5 mil./ if he lasts until the TDL, the Kraken can flip him.

kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Apr 21 @ 9:20 AM ET
so OVI is a UFA starting roughly july 1st this year. the EXP draft happens 10 days prior. he is under contract with the capitals till the 1st, Seatle could take him but would only have 10 days to sign him and then he would become a UFA. also a pending UFA that has a NMC does not have to be protected. we traded darling who was going to be a UFA for a 3rd so Carolina would have exclusive signing rights for 3 weeks.
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Apr 21 @ 9:27 AM ET
They will take who they believe is the best player available (or position player available) from each team. They can't take all cheap because they still need to get to the $61 mil. cap (why Fleury was perfect for Vegas, and helped Pittsburgh get out of cap hell and they had a new #1 in Murray).

I don't think the GM's are going to make the same mistake as last time (like when Tallon basically gave the Knights Marsechaullt and Smith) in order for the Knights not to take someone else. As Stan said it is only one player. I doubt Kampf is picked, I doubt Zadorov is picked because then the Kraken will have contract negotiations to contend with. My guess it is Da Hann, one more year at $4.5 mil./ if he lasts until the TDL, the Kraken can flip him.

- LAHawk


I think they will sign UFA's to get to the cap more times then not and or take on a bad contract after the EXP draft fpr extra draft picks. PITT had to give up a 2nd round pick to get vegas to take fleury
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 21 @ 9:31 AM ET
I think they will sign UFA's to get to the cap more times then not and or take on a bad contract after the EXP draft fpr extra draft picks. PITT had to give up a 2nd round pick to get vegas to take fleury
- kmw4631


Tampa Bay I bet will give the Kraken a second to get Tyler Johnson off the books, they still have a lot of trimming to do before they reach the cap ceiling considering they still have to field a team. Tampa couldn't even give him away to Detroit (and his former GM Yzerman) last year.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 21 @ 10:09 AM ET
There seems to be confusion between expansion draft eligibility and exposure requirements.

IMO, Borgstrom is eligible for the expansion draft since he has played more than 2 professional seasons in North America. He was signed to an ELC by the Panthers and played with the Panthers and their AHL affiliate in 17-18, 18-19, and 19-20 before going back to Finland this past season.

However, he does not meet the minimum games played the past 2 years exposure requirement. As others have noted, each team has to expose 2F and 1D who have played at least 54 NHL games the past 2 years or 27 games this year AND are signed for next year, to afford Seattle the opportunity to select "experienced" players.

Think of the draft eligible players as all who are not protected that have more than 2 pro years in. Within this group there has to be 2F and 1D who have played the minimum games. Right now it looks the Hawks exposed players would be Carpenter, Connolly and deHaan.

FWIW, I also read that Seattle can sign unprotected UFA's and RFA's during a window of time between when the protected lists are submitted and when the draft occurs. Those dates are July 17 through July 21.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 21 @ 10:27 AM ET
This is a good article on expansion draft rules. It covers the timeline, eligibility, pending UFA's, side deals and more.

https://soundofhockey.com...hl-expansion-draft-rules/
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Apr 21 @ 10:56 AM ET
There seems to be confusion between expansion draft eligibility and exposure requirements.

IMO, Borgstrom is eligible for the expansion draft since he has played more than 2 professional seasons in North America. He was signed to an ELC by the Panthers and played with the Panthers and their AHL affiliate in 17-18, 18-19, and 19-20 before going back to Finland this past season.

However, he does not meet the minimum games played the past 2 years exposure requirement. As others have noted, each team has to expose 2F and 1D who have played at least 54 games the past 2 years or 27 games this year AND are signed for next year, to afford Seattle the opportunity to select "experienced" players.

Think of the draft eligible players as all who are not protected that have more than 2 pro years in. Within this group there has to be 2F and 1D who have played the minimum games. Right now it looks the Hawks exposed players would be Carpenter, Connolly and deHaan.

FWIW, I also read that Seattle can sign unprotected UFA's and RFA's during a window of time between when the protected lists are submitted and when the draft occurs. Those dates are July 17 through July 21.

- boilermaker100


Thanks for posting this; I didn't have the energy this morning.

Anyone with more than 2 years in North American pro hockey can be taken, unless protected. Even if they've not played one second in the NHL.

AND

In order to prevent teams from trading any decent player, and leaving the Kraken a bunch of John Quennville's and Seabrook's to pick from, every team must have a few real NHL quality players to expose.

SO....

The kid from Florida is eligible to be taken, unless the Hawks protect him. He also doesn't count as one of the real NHL quality players because he hasn't played in the league recently.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:03 AM ET
Nashville again...the mediocre team we can't seem to score against. This is where the playoff race was lost. Giving them the first 6 games in the season series propelled them up and sunk the Hawks down. Hope the Hawks can at least play competitive hockey here and get a couple wins in the season series. It won't matter much as Dallas will finish ahead of Nashville and Chicago at this point anyway.

Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Apr 21 @ 11:06 AM ET
Nashville again...the mediocre team we can't seem to score against. This is where the playoff race was lost. Giving them the first 6 games in the season series propelled them up and sunk the Hawks down. Hope the Hawks can at least play competitive hockey here and get a couple wins in the season series. It won't matter much as Dallas will finish ahead of Nashville and Chicago at this point anyway.
- breadbag

Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:08 AM ET
I would say that if Stillman consistently plays the way he has thus far, he is a better option than Z and de Haan. He's played simple clean hockey, and can protect the crease a bit.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:10 AM ET
Nashville again...the mediocre team we can't seem to score against. This is where the playoff race was lost. Giving them the first 6 games in the season series propelled them up and sunk the Hawks down. Hope the Hawks can at least play competitive hockey here and get a couple wins in the season series. It won't matter much as Dallas will finish ahead of Nashville and Chicago at this point anyway.
- breadbag


While frustrating to see them be in position then falter, any "success" this year is simply gravy. The Hawks are getting a ton of young guys experience to see where they are and what is needed going forward. That is all I wanted for this year.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:11 AM ET
Subban starting. Boqvist, Kalynuk, and Hagel on the ice (no word yet on if they are playing).
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:15 AM ET
While frustrating to see them be in position then falter, any "success" this year is simply gravy. The Hawks are getting a ton of young guys experience to see where they are and what is needed going forward. That is all I wanted for this year.
- Chunk


Of all the things they do and work on, i understand young team gaining experience, the uncovered hockey player standing right in front of the goalie is so frustrating.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:20 AM ET
Of all the things they do and work on, i understand young team gaining experience, the uncovered hockey player standing right in front of the goalie is so frustrating.
- BetweenTheDots


Indeed it is. It's infuriating to see it happen repeatedly. The sad part is that the vets are just as guilty as the young guys (if not more so).
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
Indeed it is. It's infuriating to see it happen repeatedly. The sad part is that the vets are just as guilty as the young guys (if not more so).
- Chunk


Hagel does it, Soderberg did it, Dach should do it, but he right now plays on the perimeter, which is strange because on the rush he is willing to take a hit on the boards. Kubalik has fallen in love with his shot again so sits outside waiting for the one timer, he could be a crease crasher. Carpenter, Kampf are a waste offensively.
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