Ryan Wilson
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Location: Rochester, NY Joined: 06.13.2013
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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With the issues Hextall inherited in Philly with the McDonald contract, I don’t think I’m afraid of him giving out a bad contract to Ceci. If there’s anyone that’s cognoscente of what happens when you give a bottom pairing d man performing well second pairing money, it’s Hex. I wouldn’t hate bringing Ceci back for his current contract. I’ve always been a big believer in Ruhwedel and maintain the smartest thing to do is just let him play for super cheap, but when the difference is less than a mil, I can’t bring myself to care too much. But definitely don’t want to give him a raise and term. |
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668710
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Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA Joined: 06.25.2011
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Agreed vic. I also don't see Ceci resigning here. I think Hex will give POJ-Friedman a chance next season. Definitely one of Matheson or Pettersson will be moved in the off-season though. |
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j.boyd919
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Location: Tampa, FL Joined: 06.14.2011
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With the issues Hextall inherited in Philly with the McDonald contract, I don’t think I’m afraid of him giving out a bad contract to Ceci. If there’s anyone that’s cognoscente of what happens when you give a bottom pairing d man performing well second pairing money, it’s Hex. I wouldn’t hate bringing Ceci back for his current contract. I’ve always been a big believer in Ruhwedel and maintain the smartest thing to do is just let him play for super cheap, but when the difference is less than a mil, I can’t bring myself to care too much. But definitely don’t want to give him a raise and term. - Victoro311
I think it's spelled cognizant? I read that and literally said.. Is that how you spell it? Couldn't remember ever typing it out lol |
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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I think it's spelled cognizant? I read that and literally said.. Is that how you spell it? Couldn't remember ever typing it out lol - j.boyd919
I positively blow at spelling so couldn’t tell you haha. This is just what my phone’s spell check gave me, and it looked wrong to me too. |
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burgh4life87
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 04.22.2014
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Agreed vic. I also don't see Ceci resigning here. I think Hex will give POJ-Friedman a chance next season. Definitely one of Matheson or Pettersson will be moved in the off-season though. - 668710
I see this happening too. Ceci might have put himself into position to get a multi year deal somewhere and we don't need to be doing that.
As much as we discuss trading Pettersson, the young combo of him and Marino working long term might be more enticing to him than just getting back some draft capital. If anything, Matheson is playing well enough and putting together enough highlight plays that someone is going to be willing to take on that contract. |
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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I see this happening too. Ceci might have put himself into position to get a multi year deal somewhere and we don't need to be doing that.
As much as we discuss trading Pettersson, the young combo of him and Marino working long term might be more enticing to him than just getting back some draft capital. If anything, Matheson is playing well enough and putting together enough highlight plays that someone is going to be willing to take on that contract. - burgh4life87
It’s not the draft capital I’m interested in, it’s the cap space. Pettersson has become a pretty big whipping boy within the fanbase and I don’t think he gets enough credit as a well rounded middle pairing capable defenseman, but that being said, as far as middle pairing guys go, he is pretty replaceable. He’s more bottom 4 than top 4, and while ~$4 mil is fair market value for a guy that can play second pairing minutes, he’s really just not that good. Fine contract, but we’re in a cap crunch and need to find better value.
IMO, the best thing that can happen this offseason is unloading Petterson, Matheson, and Zucker for maximum cap space and let Hextall bring in his own mid-tier contract role players to shape the team in the way he wants to. |
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burgh4life87
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 04.22.2014
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It’s not the draft capital I’m interested in, it’s the cap space. Pettersson has become a pretty big whipping boy within the fanbase and I don’t think he gets enough credit as a well rounded middle pairing capable defenseman, but that being said, as far as middle pairing guys go, he is pretty replaceable. He’s more bottom 4 than top 4, and while ~$4 mil is fair market value for a guy that can play second pairing minutes, he’s really just not that good. Fine contract, but we’re in a cap crunch and need to find better value.
IMO, the best thing that can happen this offseason is unloading Petterson, Matheson, and Zucker for maximum cap space and let Hextall bring in his own mid-tier contract role players to shape the team in the way he wants to. - Victoro311
If Ron has his eyes set on some players I definitely think he would trade Pettersson, but also in a flat cap expansion draft summer, it might be a rough year for trades and free agency. Unless we bomb out of the playoffs, I see Ron only making 1 or 2 moves this summer and setting up for the overhaul in the 2022 summer.
*It also depends on the expansion draft and who they choose to protect. Sid, Geno, Jake, Rust, McCann, Kapanen and Blueger have to be tops among forwards right? |
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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If Ron has his eyes set on some players I definitely think he would trade Pettersson, but also in a flat cap expansion draft summer, it might be a rough year for trades and free agency. Unless we bomb out of the playoffs, I see Ron only making 1 or 2 moves this summer and setting up for the overhaul in the 2022 summer.
*It also depends on the expansion draft and who they choose to protect. Sid, Geno, Jake, Rust, McCann, Kapanen and Blueger have to be tops among forwards right? - burgh4life87
That’s exactly who I’d protect. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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Re-signing Ceci would be a luxury at this point and with the way he's playing I'm sure there's going to be a team who will more than double his current salary. With Riikola, Ruhwedel and Friedman I think the Pens have everything they need in-house to move forward without Petts and/or Ceci on this roster and still have a solid back-end. Obviously we have the tiniest of tiny sample size with Friedman, but the fact he can play both sides is a plus.
Taking a look at the Pens salary position, I see it's a little better than I expected. They're right now projected to have $3.2M freed up which would largely be eaten up by Bluegers and ZAR's raises. Moving Pettersson creates a wash for Marino's raise.
IMO the best course of action, if it's possible, is to move Pettersson for a middle-six LW on an affordable contract, then work a deal for Seattle to take Zucker. The Pens could attempt to dump both salaries and hope to find a good player willing to take a one-year cheap contract, but I think that would prove more difficult. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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I positively blow at spelling so couldn’t tell you haha. This is just what my phone’s spell check gave me, and it looked wrong to me too. - Victoro311
I'm constantly having to edit. I mainly use my Mac and I'm not sure who else uses a mac, but the thing mine does now is change correctly spelled words into words it thinks I should be using.
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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I'm constantly having to edit. I mainly use my Mac and I'm not sure who else uses a mac, but the thing mine does now is change correctly spelled words into words it thinks I should be using. - Rinosaur
My iPhone does that all the time. Never had that issue on my Mac though. |
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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Re-signing Ceci would be a luxury at this point and with the way he's playing I'm sure there's going to be a team who will more than double his current salary. With Riikola, Ruhwedel and Friedman I think the Pens have everything they need in-house to move forward without Petts and/or Ceci on this roster and still have a solid back-end. Obviously we have the tiniest of tiny sample size with Friedman, but the fact he can play both sides is a plus.
Taking a look at the Pens salary position, I see it's a little better than I expected. They're right now projected to have $3.2M freed up which would largely be eaten up by Bluegers and ZAR's raises. Moving Pettersson creates a wash for Marino's raise.
IMO the best course of action, if it's possible, is to move Pettersson for a middle-six LW on an affordable contract, then work a deal for Seattle to take Zucker. The Pens could attempt to dump both salaries and hope to find a good player willing to take a one-year cheap contract, but I think that would prove more difficult. - Rinosaur
I don’t think we have to work a deal to get them to take Zucker. Say what you want about his struggles this year, he’d still be one of the best players exposed in the draft. If Seattle wants to take Tanev or Matheson instead that would be quite the choice. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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My iPhone does that all the time. Never had that issue on my Mac though. - Victoro311
It's terrible on my mac unless I'm using MS Word which it doesn't interfere with.
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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I don’t think we have to work a deal to get them to take Zucker. Say what you want about his struggles this year, he’d still be one of the best players exposed in the draft. If Seattle wants to take Tanev or Matheson instead that would be quite the choice. - Victoro311
However it would happen I think it would put the Pens in the best situation. I'm not knocking Zucker, but for what he's costing the Pens and won't see any PP time on the first unit, I think they can get similar ES production for less money. |
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burgh4life87
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 04.22.2014
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However it would happen I think it would put the Pens in the best situation. I'm not knocking Zucker, but for what he's costing the Pens and won't see any PP time on the first unit, I think they can get similar ES production for less money. - Rinosaur
Yah, 5.5 mill is a lot of money. If he was producing at the rate he did last year and the year before, it would be worth it, but this season has been rough. I'm just wondering who is going to take him at that price with this season in mind? We probably would have to take another contract back in return, no? |
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Tojo.
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Location: Aliquippa, PA Joined: 11.11.2014
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Re-signing Ceci would be a luxury at this point and with the way he's playing I'm sure there's going to be a team who will more than double his current salary. With Riikola, Ruhwedel and Friedman I think the Pens have everything they need in-house to move forward without Petts and/or Ceci on this roster and still have a solid back-end. Obviously we have the tiniest of tiny sample size with Friedman, but the fact he can play both sides is a plus.
Taking a look at the Pens salary position, I see it's a little better than I expected. They're right now projected to have $3.2M freed up which would largely be eaten up by Bluegers and ZAR's raises. Moving Pettersson creates a wash for Marino's raise.
IMO the best course of action, if it's possible, is to move Pettersson for a middle-six LW on an affordable contract, then work a deal for Seattle to take Zucker. The Pens could attempt to dump both salaries and hope to find a good player willing to take a one-year cheap contract, but I think that would prove more difficult. - Rinosaur
FYI, assuming you're using capfriendly, they didn't add Riikola's contract back in. Might not be important if they plan to wave him again, just noting it. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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FYI, assuming you're using capfriendly, they didn't add Riikola's contract back in. Might not be important if they plan to wave him again, just noting it. - Tojo.
Oh wow, yeah, I didn't notice that. That definitely creates an even bigger need to move Zucker.
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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Yah, 5.5 mill is a lot of money. If he was producing at the rate he did last year and the year before, it would be worth it, but this season has been rough. I'm just wondering who is going to take him at that price with this season in mind? We probably would have to take another contract back in return, no? - burgh4life87
He's really only producing a little less at ES right now. Feds broke down how much of his production is on the PP vs. ES and at ES he's about a 30/35 point guy.
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burgh4life87
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 04.22.2014
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He's really only producing a little less at ES right now. Feds broke down how much of his production is on the PP vs. ES and at ES he's about a 30/35 point guy. - Rinosaur
At 5v5 it's reasonable to say his average is between 1.9 and 2.1 points per 60. But Rust has only accomplished that production rate 1 time. Hell, his production rate this year at 5v5 is worse than Zucker. If it wasn't for a bunch of empty net goals and assists on EN, it would show more in his even numbers.
But the question is, who is replacing that production on the open market this season? It's not a good market. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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j.boyd919
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Location: Tampa, FL Joined: 06.14.2011
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Just looked and noticed Phil has 34 in 46. Man I’d much rather have that than Jason Sucker. |
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668710
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Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA Joined: 06.25.2011
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668710
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Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA Joined: 06.25.2011
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Just looked and noticed Phil has 34 in 46. Man I’d much rather have that than Jason Sucker. - j.boyd919
He kinda bounced back this year. PP? |
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chimpira
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Joined: 02.18.2015
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Why am I seeing Jankowski in the lineup again? What has he actually done to deserve a spot?? |
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