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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Apr 11 @ 12:53 PM ET
Ryan Wilson: Penguins looking for a first round pick? Penguins looking for a first round pick?
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Apr 11 @ 1:01 PM ET
If someone gives a first for Pettersson maybe? I mean who else could we trade off the current roster who is expendable and would net a first?
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Apr 11 @ 1:07 PM ET
The Penguins, as constructed or with a few small additions are good enough to get out of their division (Past Islanders/Caps/Bruins) and into the final 4 but probably won't get lucky enough to beat 2 of the Leafs, Canes, Bolts, Vegas, Colorado, etc etc to win the Cup

Problem is we don't have enough pending UFA's to trade for picks, and without retaining salary into next year, which defeats the purpose of freeing up capspace to remodel the team into whatever Burke/Hextall envision for the future

Talk about no mans land

Freeing up Zuckers 5.5 Million and Pettersons 4 Million would be top priority at minimal return. To me both those guys are someone replaceable parts that could be either upgraded at similar cost or at least the money reallocated into a different form of player
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Apr 11 @ 1:09 PM ET
If someone gives a first for Pettersson maybe? I mean who else could we trade off the current roster who is expendable and would net a first?
- YouMeAndDupuis9


Rust is the only "tradeable" guy in this buyers market that would net a 1st, mostly because he is already under contract for next year

Maybe Petterson if we retained 50% to a contender buy he's got multiple seasons left on that deal - Not worth it
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Apr 11 @ 1:14 PM ET
Just realized the pens are among the top teams with 141 GF. I’m hoping just for the team to get healthy and picking up a solid 3rd C. A bottom 6 like:
Zucker-Laughton-Tanev
ZAR-Blueger-ERod/Zahorna




SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Apr 11 @ 1:19 PM ET
Interesting that Hextall wants a 1st round pick. Pettersson would make sense. We have depth on the left and teams are looking for defense. Not sure Pettersson alone would net you a 1st, but I could see a package being put together.

I think it's obvious that we are seeing a change of the guard about how the Penguins have been run for the past decade. I dont see us wasting draft picks on trade rentals. Its a different situation when your trading picks during our core's prime versus the back-end of their careers... but I know Burke has said that he doesnt like trading for rentals and Hextall seems to put a premium on having draft picks.
Jackie Daytona
Joined: 10.09.2020

Apr 11 @ 1:35 PM ET
Hextall/Burke will unlikely be able to acquire a first for the variety of players being proposed. I only see four ways this is possible.

1. Package an average player like Rust or Kapanen with another pick or prospect. It is possible a playoff team desperately in need of offense might be interested. A trade like this would leave a sizable hole in the lineup.
2. Package a group of prospects and picks.
3. Trade either Crosby, Guntzel or Letang. This would identify a rebuild is underway.
4. Someone hires Jimmy Rutherford today and he offers a first for Kapanen.

None of these seem to make sense if Hextall/Burke truly intend to take one last run at the cup.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Apr 11 @ 1:53 PM ET
Teddy hasn't been a game time decision. He wasn't cleared to play. This is the first time he has had the game time decision status.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Apr 11 @ 1:54 PM ET
Hextall/Burke will unlikely be able to acquire a first for the variety of players being proposed. I only see four ways this is possible.

1. Package an average player like Rust or Kapanen with another pick or prospect. It is possible a playoff team desperately in need of offense might be interested. A trade like this would leave a sizable hole in the lineup.
2. Package a group of prospects and picks.
3. Trade either Crosby, Guntzel or Letang. This would identify a rebuild is underway.
4. Someone hires Jimmy Rutherford today and he offers a first for Kapanen.

None of these seem to make sense if Hextall/Burke truly intend to take one last run at the cup.

- Jackie Daytona


This is why I think Burke is here

Hextall is going to be motivated to have long term employment. Since he was just hired he has at least 3 years of rope. MOST GM's use this time to tear down, rebuild and get things on the upswing which buys them more time to get the team over the hump and into a perennial contender. This is accomplished by stockpiling the farm and draft pick pool by trading current assets now so he/the team has long term success

Burke is obviously long in the tooth and has gotten the direction from ownership that we want the Sid/Geno window maximized NOW. He is here to basically keep the GM in win now mode and out of rebuild mode. But the draft pick pool and the farm is empty, so I don't see how any or either thing can be accomplished at the same time
TartanBill
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.16.2016

Apr 11 @ 2:20 PM ET
Teams aren’t really valuing the 2021 draft because of the limited samples of being able to scout players due to the pandemic.


This is a good argument for loading up on lower picks rather than over-valuing a high pick.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Apr 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
Pens could be trying to get a feel for 1sts for both deadline and draft day deals.

Most obvious guys that would easily net a first would be Rust, Kapanen and Zucker (offseason due to cap).

The sneaky opportunities, which I think they are really looking at would be:

1. McCann - reasonable cap hit RFA. Showing he can score when given more opportunities and can also flip between C and W. Would be tough to get straight up, but add a 4th and/or retain half and you are in business.

2. Petterson - could be a key portion of a deal but would likely need an add on. I think the Jets stand out. Personally I'd consider it a win to move Petterson and our 2nd to the Jets for a 1st.

3. Marino - I think he would easily net a first and maybe a monster package from a team that thinks he is the real deal and has trouble recruiting FAs. Columbus, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Zona (no 1st but still).

Not saying I think any of these should or will happen but they are all possibilities.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Apr 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
This is a good argument for loading up on lower picks rather than over-valuing a high pick.
- TartanBill


Yes and no. If you have great scouting you can win either way.

Hextall isn't asking because he wants to overpay for a high pick, he is asking because he wants to see how much other teams are undervaluing their top picks.

I agree that some talented kids are going to go later in the draft, but you still want high picks to get your guys rather than hope you get lucky. I think there will be a poopload of minor trades during the draft where guys will move up and down to target their guys.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Apr 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
It's an interesting season performance wise for the Pens notable players

Assuming an 82 game season and no injuries

Sid 32 goals 95 Points
Jake 35 goals 85 points
Letang 70 points
Rust 32 goals
Tanev 18 goals 40 points with no PP time
Blueger 40 points
Geno 22 goals 68 points
Kapanen 20 goals 57 points
McCann 32 goals 60 points
Even guys like ZAR are on pace for 20 goals

Most of the above players delivering or exceeding expectations

Goalies - 2.70 GAA

I thought Matheson would be more offensive, Marino has regressed, Petterson is a 4 million dollar void that doesn't move the needle either way, Zucker has been a black hole and i would guess the team doesn't feel it's youth in the pipeline is ready to play any meaningful games
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Apr 11 @ 3:04 PM ET
Pens could be trying to get a feel for 1sts for both deadline and draft day deals.

Most obvious guys that would easily net a first would be Rust, Kapanen and Zucker (offseason due to cap).

The sneaky opportunities, which I think they are really looking at would be:

1. McCann - reasonable cap hit RFA. Showing he can score when given more opportunities and can also flip between C and W. Would be tough to get straight up, but add a 4th and/or retain half and you are in business.

2. Petterson - could be a key portion of a deal but would likely need an add on. I think the Jets stand out. Personally I'd consider it a win to move Petterson and our 2nd to the Jets for a 1st.

3. Marino - I think he would easily net a first and maybe a monster package from a team that thinks he is the real deal and has trouble recruiting FAs. Columbus, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Zona (no 1st but still).

Not saying I think any of these should or will happen but they are all possibilities.

- MacPatty


Zucker won't get a 1st. That's looking like a disgusting overpay at the moment. Our best hope now is he's the guy Seattle takes so they leave Blueger/Tanev/Petterson or whoever we unprotect alone

This would free up cap for potentially resigning McCann/Rust in 2022/2023, depending also on what Letang/Geno command in a flat cap situation
nateca444
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: butler, PA
Joined: 08.13.2020

Apr 11 @ 3:24 PM ET
You guys know a hell of a lot more than me, why would we trade away wingers? Don't we need to add?
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 11 @ 3:44 PM ET
Looks like Pens fans were having themselves a normal one in Yohe’s mailbox with trade proposals. Rino would have fit right in.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Apr 11 @ 3:47 PM ET
How much is eating salary worth in a trade... Penguins in a 3 way trade as the team eating the cap hit... could they swap a 3rd (and maybe also a 5th) to obtain a 1st type of deal?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 11 @ 3:50 PM ET
Looks like Pens fans were having themselves a normal one in Yohe’s mailbox with trade proposals. Rino would have fit right in.
- Victoro311


I have fun thinking up different ideas lol.

I read that mailbag. It should have been called the Pettersson trade discussion.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 11 @ 3:51 PM ET
How much is eating salary worth in a trade... Penguins in a 3 way trade as the team eating the cap hit... could they swap a 3rd (and maybe also a 5th) to obtain a 1st type of deal?
- Guile


It's worth a lot. Just look at the Tampa trade.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 11 @ 3:54 PM ET
Zucker won't get a 1st. That's looking like a disgusting overpay at the moment. Our best hope now is he's the guy Seattle takes so they leave Blueger/Tanev/Petterson or whoever we unprotect alone

This would free up cap for potentially resigning McCann/Rust in 2022/2023, depending also on what Letang/Geno command in a flat cap situation

- TheGame316


It was an overpay the day the trade happened. Nothing really changed since then. Zucker's just a vanilla forward.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 11 @ 3:58 PM ET
It was an overpay the day the trade happened. Nothing really changed since then. Zucker's just a vanilla forward.
- j.boyd919


I don't think you have to worry. I think the Pens will be forced to move him next year.

ZAR and Blueger are RFA's after this season and I really don't know wha they will command, but my guess is they both cross the $2M threshold.

Pettersson or Matheson will need to be moved just to cancel out Marino's new contract.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Apr 11 @ 3:58 PM ET
Zucker won't get a 1st. That's looking like a disgusting overpay at the moment. Our best hope now is he's the guy Seattle takes so they leave Blueger/Tanev/Petterson or whoever we unprotect alone

This would free up cap for potentially resigning McCann/Rust in 2022/2023, depending also on what Letang/Geno command in a flat cap situation

- TheGame316


You have an extremely negative take on Zucker. He had a bad start to the season. Still a really good top 6 player.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Apr 11 @ 4:03 PM ET
It was an overpay the day the trade happened. Nothing really changed since then. Zucker's just a vanilla forward.
- j.boyd919


That really is Rutherford's worst trait. Laser focus on one specific target and then overpays because he doesn't consider other options. He played pretty well with Sid last year after Guentz went down however.
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Apr 11 @ 4:08 PM ET
Victor Mete on waivers. I wonder if we put a claim in on him (if we are in fact trying to trade a LHD).

I do question if Hextall does a deal including a player and our 2nd round draft pick. In return we receive a player and a 1st. I still have a gut feeling from hearing Burke talk about size and bullying players in the playoffs, that he is looking at a player like Reaves or Lucic
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 11 @ 4:17 PM ET
That really is Rutherford's worst trait. Laser focus on one specific target and then overpays because he doesn't consider other options. He played pretty well with Sid last year after Guentz went down however.
- madmike71



I definitely think he's a better fit for Sid's line, but Sully won't pull Jake from Sid's hip, even for a few games to test the waters.
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