Roger Mussa: The Palmieri Watch

I got a question.

Why do we even have trade deadlines?

I think the league would be more exciting with 24/7 trades (even in playoffs)

Imagine, franchise changing deals could be made in the Cup finals.

Use Palms as an example. He is a devil this season, Tampa loses a major player to injury Gm3 of finals.

They really want/need a cup, and Palms could be their key. But with that comes a higher price, perhaps 2 1sts and top prospect or whatever you want o overcharge if Tampa really needs the help. Tampa will have to give up more, but who cares if it gets them the cup.

Just a thought.

Man i hope its anybody but Bruins. They have by far the options to try to acquire in a trade. Their pipeline sucks, so Debrusk is the only guy worth going after and it makes zero sense for them to move him for a rental. So this would likely be a pick only return.

Isles can be a fine partner, but only for a few pieces. Bellows sucks and would be very disappointing if hes the return. Salo, Bolduc, and Wilde are the main targets of interest, but they dont have much outside of those 3. MAYBE Holmstrom? Would prefer any of the 3 D though. So they have something to make an enticing package, its just a matter of what Lou is willing to give

Leafs are by far the best target, and i think Palms would consider waiving for them. Outside of the obvious Sandin/Robertson/Amirov/Liljegren, which i dont think they would move. They have a bunch of 'tier 2' prospects that are very intriguing. I would glady take a deal involving Hallander, Hirvonen, or Niemela over anything the Bruins or Isles can give. Leafs are by far the best team equipped to make a deal for Palms

Flyers arent happening. No shot.

Also, lets stop listening to Ek and his "rumors". You literally cannot make a trade condition for a pick based on a player re-signing anymore. He actually has no idea what he's talking about lol

Our return is most like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect. I dont think Palms is getting more than that, especially this year in a buyers market.

Man i hope its anybody but Bruins. They have by far the options to try to acquire in a trade. Their pipeline sucks, so Debrusk is the only guy worth going after and it makes zero sense for them to move him for a rental. So this would likely be a pick only return.

Isles can be a fine partner, but only for a few pieces. Bellows sucks and would be very disappointing if hes the return. Salo, Bolduc, and Wilde are the main targets of interest, but they dont have much outside of those 3. MAYBE Holmstrom? Would prefer any of the 3 D though. So they have something to make an enticing package, its just a matter of what Lou is willing to give

Leafs are by far the best target, and i think Palms would consider waiving for them. Outside of the obvious Sandin/Robertson/Amirov/Liljegren, which i dont think they would move. They have a bunch of 'tier 2' prospects that are very intriguing. I would glady take a deal involving Hallander, Hirvonen, or Niemela over anything the Bruins or Isles can give. Leafs are by far the best team equipped to make a deal for Palms

Flyers arent happening. No shot.

Also, lets stop listening to Ek and his "rumors". You literally cannot make a trade condition for a pick based on a player re-signing anymore. He actually has no idea what he's talking about lol

Our return is most like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect. I dont think Palms is getting more than that, especially this year in a buyers market.
- vlongo4419

I can see Salo or Wilde being part of a deal but not Boldic or Holmstrom.

Our return is most like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect. I dont think Palms is getting more than that, especially this year in a buyers market.
- vlongo4419

I hope not...which is why I hope Hall gets traded first and those who missed him may give us a bidding war. I can hope...

I thought there were no more conditions for trades for a player re-signing?

I hope not...which is why I hope Hall gets traded first and those who missed him may give us a bidding war. I can hope...
- Devils Advocate

I don't think either guy is getting more than that, and Palms is certainly not getting 3 pieces like Ek's BS rumor. I think a 2nd and B prospect is the max return. From all reports, the market isn't good for sellers

I thought there were no more conditions for trades for a player re-signing?
- dmarsden2988

There aren't, its against the CBA to do it. Goes to show how much truth there is to EKs rumors

I thought there were no more conditions for trades for a player re-signing?
- dmarsden2988

That's what I thought as well.

I don't think either guy is getting more than that, and Palms is certainly not getting 3 pieces like Ek's BS rumor. I think a 2nd and B prospect is the max return. From all reports, the market isn't good for sellers
- vlongo4419

I agree unless a team gets real desperate.

Palmieri is NOT the prize over Hall in any world. I hope Lou doesn’t go after him after seeing what he forked over for Greene last year, who yes is a nice fit and helped but you don’t give up a 2nd rounder for a guy like that

Palmieri is NOT the prize over Hall in any world. I hope Lou doesn’t go after him after seeing what he forked over for Greene last year, who yes is a nice fit and helped but you don’t give up a 2nd rounder for a guy like that
- BringNYIhome

Palms will give you the same production + the hardwork along the boards, in front of net and grit that Hall doesnt bring.

Basically Palms brings playoff hockey all year round.

Palms will give you the same production + the hardwork along the boards, in front of net and grit that Hall doesnt bring.

Basically Palms brings playoff hockey all year round.
- Leniwm1

Exactly

Not really sure I understand the Hall hate especially coming from Devils fans when we got to see his MVP season on a nightly basis but okay. Both players can be good and desirable for teams to trade for.

Palms will give you the same production + the hardwork along the boards, in front of net and grit that Hall doesnt bring.

Basically Palms brings playoff hockey all year round.
- Leniwm1

Very well put!

And I think a Hall and a Palmieri will have different values to different teams.

Not really sure I understand the Hall hate especially coming from Devils fans when we got to see his MVP season on a nightly basis but okay. Both players can be good and desirable for teams to trade for.
- Pomegrant

Personally, I love Hall. I thank Hall for giving us an MVP performance. Wish we had gone farther and re signed him. Im a fan.
(I do think he has sucked this season as his team and he has looked a bit slow)

I just think in this kind of playoffs, Id rather have a Palmieri over Hall.

Not really sure I understand the Hall hate especially coming from Devils fans when we got to see his MVP season on a nightly basis but okay. Both players can be good and desirable for teams to trade for.
- Pomegrant

I don't get it either. If you box score watcher then sure Hall has sucked this year but all the underlying/analytical numbers are very much in his favor, and he's still a possession monster. His team is just garbage and their best player has been hurt for half of the season. The only thing working against him in comparison to Palmieri is the $ between them.

They bring something different. Palmieri is more physical and a better goal scorer, but Hall is a far better play driver and a much better possession player. Hall also has better defensive metrics this season. People are overblowing how bad Hall has been, because he hasnt been. Hall is the more valuable piece, money withstanding. So if we want to get the best return possible, we need to trade Palms before Hall is dealt.

Personally, I love Hall. I thank Hall for giving us an MVP performance. Wish we had gone farther and re signed him. Im a fan.
(I do think he has sucked this season as his team and he has looked a bit slow)

I just think in this kind of playoffs, Id rather have a Palmieri over Hall.
- Devils Advocate

Lou always surprises. I wouldnt be shocked if Isles can somehow wiggle into getting Palms and Hall. Two players that will bring different things to the table aside from Goal scoring.

I don't get it either. If you box score watcher then sure Hall has sucked this year but all the underlying/analytical numbers are very much in his favor, and he's still a possession monster. His team is just garbage and their best player has been hurt for half of the season. The only thing working against him in comparison to Palmieri is the $ between them.

They bring something different. Palmieri is more physical and a better goal scorer, but Hall is a far better play driver and a much better possession player. Hall also has better defensive metrics this season. People are overblowing how bad Hall has been, because he hasnt been. Hall is the more valuable piece, money withstanding. So if we want to get the best return possible, we need to trade Palms before Hall is dealt.
- vlongo4419

Right there with you. Palmieri is easier to trade because his cap hit is cheap and requires less to trade for because Hall is the better player. It's pretty simple. Love both Hall and Palmieri as they were both model Devils players. Watching Hall was one of the few joys of watching the Devils this past few years and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

Man i hope its anybody but Bruins. They have by far the options to try to acquire in a trade. Their pipeline sucks, so Debrusk is the only guy worth going after and it makes zero sense for them to move him for a rental. So this would likely be a pick only return.

Isles can be a fine partner, but only for a few pieces. Bellows sucks and would be very disappointing if hes the return. Salo, Bolduc, and Wilde are the main targets of interest, but they dont have much outside of those 3. MAYBE Holmstrom? Would prefer any of the 3 D though. So they have something to make an enticing package, its just a matter of what Lou is willing to give

Leafs are by far the best target, and i think Palms would consider waiving for them. Outside of the obvious Sandin/Robertson/Amirov/Liljegren, which i dont think they would move. They have a bunch of 'tier 2' prospects that are very intriguing. I would glady take a deal involving Hallander, Hirvonen, or Niemela over anything the Bruins or Isles can give. Leafs are by far the best team equipped to make a deal for Palms

Flyers arent happening. No shot.

Also, lets stop listening to Ek and his "rumors". You literally cannot make a trade condition for a pick based on a player re-signing anymore. He actually has no idea what he's talking about lol

Our return is most like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect. I dont think Palms is getting more than that, especially this year in a buyers market.
- vlongo4419

I agree with your analysis, but damn we have enough B level prospects already (which is what a second rounder really is). Sigh.

Hats off to ray shero..... dude set this team up as well as he couldve given the circumstances when he arrived.... his draft picks are starting to flourish... smith, sharangovich, maltsev, bratt to name a few ... palms was a great trade that will pay off again

I’d take him back if we could like we did with Vatanen. Unless we make a move, the only forwards over 24 will be Johnsson and Wood. I think Zajac has made a nice case to return on a 1yr deal and I think the room would prefer to have him. He brings a veteran steadiness that just isn’t there otherwise. Him, PK, Severson are the veterans on this team next year. Wouldn’t mind Palmieri back, but I’d almost rather Zajac on a cheap 1yr deal than palms on a 6x5 or something.

I’d take him back if we could like we did with Vatanen. Unless we make a move, the only forwards over 24 will be Johnsson and Wood. I think Zajac has made a nice case to return on a 1yr deal and I think the room would prefer to have him. He brings a veteran steadiness that just isn’t there otherwise. Him, PK, Severson are the veterans on this team next year. Wouldn’t mind Palmieri back, but I’d almost rather Zajac on a cheap 1yr deal than palms on a 6x5 or something.
- MartysBetter88

If we can trade Palms and then bring him back on a reasonable contract that is a dream come true. The fact we could not extend him makes this route of resigning him less likely. Only if the marketplace agrees with what Fitz was offering does he come back. Palms is a very underappreciated player, the playoff team that gets him will love him - and that will be the team I am pulling for. Also, I have a feeling some team looking at the Coleman situation last year must be sniffing around about Wood.

Hopefully, the Bruins and the Islanders are trying to one up on each other to gert Palmieri.

If we can trade Palms and then bring him back on a reasonable contract that is a dream come true. The fact we could not extend him makes this route of resigning him less likely. Only if the marketplace agrees with what Fitz was offering does he come back. Palms is a very underappreciated player, the playoff team that gets him will love him - and that will be the team I am pulling for. Also, I have a feeling some team looking at the Coleman situation last year must be sniffing around about Wood.
- redmonsters

Exactly.