Todd Cordell: G39 Calgary Flames vs Toronto Maple Leafs: Now or never

Thx Todd

Hi Todd,

I know that Monohan has mainly benefited from Gaudreau and that the Flames are likely stuck with Monohan but do you think he has any trade value at all?

Hi Todd,

I know that Monohan has mainly benefited from Gaudreau and that the Flames are likely stuck with Monohan but do you think he has any trade value at all?
- FlamesFan1230

Gaudreau will get you the best return coming back. Keep Monahan. Send Johnny Hockey to Philly or NJ and be done with it.

Hi Todd,

I know that Monohan has mainly benefited from Gaudreau and that the Flames are likely stuck with Monohan but do you think he has any trade value at all?
- FlamesFan1230

His trade value is probably nowhere near where we would want it to be for a guy who was a high pick, leading goal scorer in his draft class, and our number one center for over half of the past decade.

That said as Todd mentioned while there may not be much else to his game he is a proven goal scorer which Gaudreau or not teams will value.

In laymen’s terms we would probably want a kings ransom for him but his value is probably somewhere around a late 1st and a B+ prospect plus more if we take back a bad contract. For example I could see the Florida panthers as a fit if they don’t want to rush lundell into the 2C slot and they have a few decent prospects to chose from. Take on one of stralman or Connolly and that’s about as fair of a return we’ll get.

Hi Todd,

I know that Monohan has mainly benefited from Gaudreau and that the Flames are likely stuck with Monohan but do you think he has any trade value at all?
- FlamesFan1230

Vegas would probably pay you a pretty penny for Monohan. You’d have to retain salary of course, and take a contract back.

So how many more loses til Treliving starts moving people?

Split Johnny away from 23, they at least owe it to him before they ship him out.

Vegas would probably pay you a pretty penny for Monohan. You’d have to retain salary of course, and take a contract back.
- Wildschwein

There does not seem to be any real interest in Monohan. Elite teams do not see hime as a top-6 player and his cap hit is onerous for a 3C. Perhaps a fringe playoff (ie. Habs) might have some interest, but the Flames would need to take back an undesirable multi-year contract. This would likely not provide a net benefit for the Flames.

I see the Flames having two effective options:

1. Short term - Slight Re-tool - Trade Gaudreau - As Canada remains far behind other first world nations in effective vaccine procurement, the NHL is preparing for the North Division to return for an encore next season. This combined with the Flames inability to compete outside of the weaker Pacific Division suggests Treliving should look to maximize the return for Gaudreau now. A few desperate teams have interest and Treliving should be able to acquire desirable prospects and NHL ready talent in return.

2. Long term - Complete Rebuild - Trade Tkachuk - This would be drastic maneuver. However, despite pundits often arguing otherwise, the value of pests has diminished across the league. Most top-tier teams have effectively immunized themselves against havoc. The good teams no longer react to buffoonery. Instead of drawing penalties, pests now end-up serving them. Nonetheless, Tkachuck still has extreme value as a power forward. I would prefer to keep a leashed Tkachuk over trading him. However, Flames management may see a complete overhaul as necessary to correct the corrupted team chemistry.

It should be an interesting trade deadline and offseason for Treliving.

Hutchison, ugh

6-5 Leafs

There does not seem to be any real interest in Monohan. Elite teams do not see hime as a top-6 player and his cap hit is onerous for a 3C. Perhaps a fringe playoff (ie. Habs) might have some interest, but the Flames would need to take back an undesirable multi-year contract. This would likely not provide a net benefit for the Flames.

I see the Flames having two effective options:

1. Short term - Slight Re-tool - Trade Gaudreau - As Canada remains far behind other first world nations in effective vaccine procurement, the NHL is preparing for the North Division to return for an encore next season. This combined with the Flames inability to compete outside of the weaker Pacific Division suggests Treliving should look to maximize the return for Gaudreau now. A few desperate teams have interest and Treliving should be able to acquire desirable prospects and NHL ready talent in return.

2. Long term - Complete Rebuild - Trade Tkachuk - This would be drastic maneuver. However, despite pundits often arguing otherwise, the value of pests has diminished across the league. Most top-tier teams have effectively immunized themselves against havoc. The good teams no longer react to buffoonery. Instead of drawing penalties, pests now end-up serving them. Nonetheless, Tkachuck still has extreme value as a power forward. I would prefer to keep a leashed Tkachuk over trading him. However, Flames management may see a complete overhaul as necessary to correct the corrupted team chemistry.

It should be an interesting trade deadline and offseason for Treliving.
- Jackie Daytona

- I think that would mostly be because most elite teams don’t have a hole at 2C, or at the very least a player monahan can beat out for that spot. Monahan may not drive play or be strong defensively but what he can do is score goals. Would his production suffer without Gaudreau, absolutely but if a team has a player as skilled as JG to pair him with I think it would be tempting. I used Florida as an example earlier because while wennberg is having a career year he is a perennial 25-30+ point player whereas monahan is a perennial 25-30+ goal scorer and if you pair him with let’s say huberdeau I don’t think you would have to worry about that total suffering. Like I said he won’t go for a ton but he should be going for quite a bit more than a career 3rd liner.

- As for tkachuck I think you only consider trading him if the team doesn’t believe he’s worth the 9 million qualifying offer/it’s not worth the hit until you can negotiate him down to a smaller number. He’s had a bad year but if he can manage to tip toe the right side of the line like he has in the past I wouldn’t worry too much about it. But the main reason for not trading him is that he’s only 23, even if we blow the rest of the team up he would still be in his prime by the time we want to compete again

- I think that would mostly be because most elite teams don’t have a hole at 2C, or at the very least a player monahan can beat out for that spot. Monahan may not drive play or be strong defensively but what he can do is score goals. Would his production suffer without Gaudreau, absolutely but if a team has a player as skilled as JG to pair him with I think it would be tempting. I used Florida as an example earlier because while wennberg is having a career year he is a perennial 25-30+ point player whereas monahan is a perennial 25-30+ goal scorer and if you pair him with let’s say huberdeau I don’t think you would have to worry about that total suffering. Like I said he won’t go for a ton but he should be going for quite a bit more than a career 3rd liner.

- As for tkachuck I think you only consider trading him if the team doesn’t believe he’s worth the 9 million qualifying offer/it’s not worth the hit until you can negotiate him down to a smaller number. He’s had a bad year but if he can manage to tip toe the right side of the line like he has in the past I wouldn’t worry too much about it. But the main reason for not trading him is that he’s only 23, even if we blow the rest of the team up he would still be in his prime by the time we want to compete again
- RedC21

People dont realize Owners & management cant over react about this season as it is extreme unusual situation. Trading Tkachuk, not a chance & he still has another year left so why rush into that type of decision? Gaudreau & Bennett could be the pieces that move on, Rittch & Ryan are givens but thats up to Sutter whether Benny stays or goes. I think a lot is in play but blowing up for a prospect or a mid or late first wont cut it. Trading with teams in the same situation as the Flames is where the biggest bang for your change buck will happen. Not in any rush for Treliving to start selling off, lets get some teams competing a bit & get as much as we can.

People dont realize Owners & management cant over react about this season as it is extreme unusual situation. Trading Tkachuk, not a chance & he still has another year left so why rush into that type of decision? Gaudreau & Bennett could be the pieces that move on, Rittch & Ryan are givens but thats up to Sutter whether Benny stays or goes. I think a lot is in play but blowing up for a prospect or a mid or late first wont cut it. Trading with teams in the same situation as the Flames is where the biggest bang for your change buck will happen. Not in any rush for Treliving to start selling off, lets get some teams competing a bit & get as much as we can.
- Kevin R

I wouldn’t necessarily say the fans are overreacting as this team isn’t just having bad luck, things don’t appear to be as bad under sutter but it’s hard to believe whatever internal issues the team was having have disappeared. Combined with the team essentially treading water since finishing 1st a couple years back and it’s a recipe for the fan base wanting a change.

We can all debate what a fair return is on our stars but we are unlikely to get it this summer as the demand for top six players on the trade market isn’t as high as it’s been in the past, especially with the cap not going up.

Long story short teams will make offers and it’s up to our management to determine if any are enough for a shakeup in our core

People dont realize Owners & management cant over react about this season as it is extreme unusual situation. Trading Tkachuk, not a chance & he still has another year left so why rush into that type of decision? Gaudreau & Bennett could be the pieces that move on, Rittch & Ryan are givens but thats up to Sutter whether Benny stays or goes. I think a lot is in play but blowing up for a prospect or a mid or late first wont cut it. Trading with teams in the same situation as the Flames is where the biggest bang for your change buck will happen. Not in any rush for Treliving to start selling off, lets get some teams competing a bit & get as much as we can.
- Kevin R

I can see Tre getting rid of guys like Ryan, Bennet, and Rittich. He will wait till the summer for the big deals. Sutter will have a lot of input into what kind of guys he feels that he needs to be successful.

Defence wins championships. I expect us to be drafting somewhere 8-12. Hoping with the (frank)ed up AHL season that they can find some diamonds in the upcoming draft.

I can see Tre getting rid of guys like Ryan, Bennet, and Rittich. He will wait till the summer for the big deals. Sutter will have a lot of input into what kind of guys he feels that he needs to be successful.

Defence wins championships. I expect us to be drafting somewhere 8-12. Hoping with the (frank)ed up AHL season that they can find some diamonds in the upcoming draft.
- DuranDuran

? AHL ... or do you mean junior hockey?

? AHL ... or do you mean junior hockey?
- hockey4hockey

Yes. I did.

Yes. I did.

- DuranDuran

I forgive you this time Duran... but you are a veteran on hockeybuzz... you ooze credibility in every word you type...I'll let it go this time

Looks like we got another L in the books... all going per plan Just need some of the teams below us to pick it up a bit so we can drop more. But as Duran said, this year Juniors are all different and people may not have a proper assessment of Junior players due to the season being not normal for junior players. So I wonder if we can even pick a good player or it's all going to be pick your player in the top 5 in the draft and see what happens.

The bad thing for the Flames is not having proper player assessments in the juniors this year. This means teams picking later could pick better players just because no one knows where everyone stands in Juniors this year.

I can see Tre getting rid of guys like Ryan, Bennet, and Rittich. He will wait till the summer for the big deals. Sutter will have a lot of input into what kind of guys he feels that he needs to be successful.

Defence wins championships. I expect us to be drafting somewhere 8-12. Hoping with the (frank)ed up AHL season that they can find some diamonds in the upcoming draft.
- DuranDuran

''I expect us to be drafting somewhere 8-12''
I'll take the under on that Duran. My money is on 5-7 and at this point lets be honest....that wouldn't be a bad thing!

Even if we got in that range or say won the lottery which could be possible the way things are going. This draft year isn't very good. I don't get how the Oilers could (frank) up so many #1 picks and still (frank) up and get McDavid.

''I expect us to be drafting somewhere 8-12''
I'll take the under on that Duran. My money is on 5-7 and at this point lets be honest....that wouldn't be a bad thing!
- DEDDIE

I feel like we will be drafting in the top 5 this year because our team is not made for Sutter hockey so they should lose more games till Sutter has his imprint on this team with new incoming players this offseason.

Since there are so many unknowns in this draft... I think having 1st round picks even later in the round is a good thing because as Duran said... there will be diamonds in the rough this year due to the unknowns based on uncertain players' assessments in Juniors. Let's get as many 1st rounds picks as you can get this year... even later in the round is a plus.

Even if we got in that range or say won the lottery which could be possible the way things are going. This draft year isn't very good. I don't get how the Oilers could (frank) up so many #1 picks and still (frank) up and get McDavid.
- FlamesFan1230

By all accounts there's no McDavid this year but I think there's still some great players to be had. I really liked Beniers at the World Juinors and some of the D look pretty promising!

The only way Calgary gets out of this organizational mess - of missing a #1C - is by accident - where we tank the rest of the year, and somehow get a C with a top 3 pick.

The irony it will be if we win the draft lottery in a year without a consensus top pick. The jokes from oilers fans after we essentially wind up with our own version of RNH/hischier or something like that

The irony it will be if we win the draft lottery in a year without a consensus top pick. The jokes from oilers fans after we essentially wind up with our own version of RNH/hischier or something like that
- RedC21

We could still end up with RNH, doesn’t look like the Oilers will.

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