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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 1 @ 1:57 PM ET
On Saturday, Beaudin played LD with Regula as his partner on the right.

Prior to Beaudin's arrival in Rockford, Regula was exclusively playing LD usually with Osipov (both are righties).

Kalynuk (LD) has been paired with Franson.

- Theo Fox


Poor bastage.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 1 @ 2:20 PM ET
On Saturday, Beaudin played LD with Regula as his partner on the right.

Prior to Beaudin's arrival in Rockford, Regula was exclusively playing LD usually with Osipov (both are righties).

Kalynuk (LD) has been paired with Franson.

- Theo Fox


Preparing him to play with Zadorov?


scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Mar 1 @ 2:30 PM ET
I bet 20 to 25 shots were from the blue line with no traffic, unless it's Laine or Stamkos taking those shots, let them shoot and jeopardize possession. I think they wanted Lanky to pass the puck like he did vs BJs, and he didn't do it once
- BetweenTheDots

I thought the NBC guys said the scoring chances were even heading into the 3rd period. Detroit did take a lot of shots that didn’t have much chance.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 1 @ 2:34 PM ET
I thought the NBC guys said the scoring chances were even heading into the 3rd period. Detroit did take a lot of shots that didn’t have much chance.
- scottak


The funny thing is that to a "T" the players and coaching staff say they played a better game Saturday vs. Sunday. One lopsided loss and one lopsided win.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Mar 1 @ 2:39 PM ET
It may be sacrilege here, but the beer league coach plays Z a lot, in tough situations, and against the other team's good players (just what it looks like to me, stat peeps feel free to correct me). It seems they don't think he sux, like many here do.
- mohel

You’re mostly correct. D zone faceoffs # 5v5 not adjusted for TOI or games played

Keith 146
DeHaan 108
Zadarov 107
Murphy 97
Mitchell 96
Carlsson 32
Beaudin 27
Boqvist 25
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Mar 1 @ 2:49 PM ET
The funny thing is that to a "T" the players and coaching staff say they played a better game Saturday vs. Sunday. One lopsided loss and one lopsided win.
- Chunk


are you saying the team thought Sat was the better game they played but lost? i didnt see Sat game
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 1 @ 2:51 PM ET
are you saying the team thought Sat was the better game they played but lost? i didnt see Sat game
- glennjpawlak22


One of the few games where the opposition goaltender outplayed our goaltender.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 1 @ 3:05 PM ET
are you saying the team thought Sat was the better game they played but lost? i didnt see Sat game
- glennjpawlak22


Yes. There are quotes from Murphy, Kane, Carpenter, Colliton, and a few others stating as much. They played really well for the first half of the game on Saturday. They had a couple of goals against that kind of broke their back and the game got away.

Det's first goal was on either their 2nd or 3rd shot of the game and came when there was a defensive breakdown by at least two, if not three players. Up to that point, the Hawks were dominating. Then ADB scored to even it up and they give it back immediately the next shift when we had a forward (I think Suter) join two of our defensemen behind the net fighting for the puck and left the front of the net completely open. It then devolved into the Hawks trying to claw back.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Mar 1 @ 3:12 PM ET
One of the few games where the opposition goaltender outplayed our goaltender.
- LAHawk


thx - i was checking the feed from my phone in the Mountains skiing and saw Hawks were out shooting DET by quite a large margin and it didnt translate into us leading the game....thx all for explaining


Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 1 @ 3:41 PM ET
thx - i was checking the feed from my phone in the Mountains skiing and saw Hawks were out shooting DET by quite a large margin and it didnt translate into us leading the game....thx all for explaining
- glennjpawlak22


Nice! I'm quite jealous (am I'm not even a good skier).
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Mar 1 @ 3:45 PM ET
The funny thing is that to a "T" the players and coaching staff say they played a better game Saturday vs. Sunday. One lopsided loss and one lopsided win.
- Chunk

JC also mentioned that after Kane scored it seemed like the team relaxed and got a huge boost of energy. I think we forget or at least I do that a lot of the younger guys were in their formative years and grew up watching Kane. He also mentioned that the whole bench was up on their feet when Kane and Dinky broke in on the 2 on 1.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Mar 1 @ 3:49 PM ET
are you saying the team thought Sat was the better game they played but lost? i didnt see Sat game
- glennjpawlak22


Ehhhh team defense sucked, Subban was hung out to dry, when the Wings got a chance to bury a shot pretty much uncontested, because of a blown assignment, they did. First 3 goals were shot pretty much below the dots right down main street. The 4th 22 with a brutal pass on the neutral zone, ensue mad scramble, goal. Bernier did play a good game and the Wings did a pretty good job of keeping us to one and done.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Mar 1 @ 3:53 PM ET
Would you trade for Ekholm? What would you trade to get him?
- RedRevenge

No. Too old for the Hawks and the Hawks should not be giving up assets for a 30 year old. The timing is not right.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 1 @ 3:59 PM ET
No. Too old for the Hawks and the Hawks should not be giving up assets for a 30 year old. The timing is not right.
- Elbows15


Agree. He will be appealing to a team making a cup run this year or next.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Mar 1 @ 4:02 PM ET
No. Too old for the Hawks and the Hawks should not be giving up assets for a 30 year old. The timing is not right.
- Elbows15

Well then, that settles it, Bowman will go for it!
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 1 @ 4:03 PM ET
Ehhhh team defense sucked, Subban was hung out to dry, when the Wings got a chance to bury a shot pretty much uncontested, because of a blown assignment, they did. First 3 goals were shot pretty much below the dots right down main street. The 4th 22 with a brutal pass on the neutral zone, ensue mad scramble, goal. Bernier did play a good game and the Wings did a pretty good job of keeping us to one and done.
- BetweenTheDots


I would say that there were a few isolated instances of bad D. Yes that is part of the overall effort, but they had three brain farts that ended up in the back of the net. The vast majority of the game (Sat) was very well played.

I'm not forgiving the gaffes, just adding context to the claim of a better played game Sat than Sun.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 1 @ 4:14 PM ET
I would say that there were a few isolated instances of bad D. Yes that is part of the overall effort, but they had three brain farts that ended up in the back of the net. The vast majority of the game (Sat) was very well played.

I'm not forgiving the gaffes, just adding context to the claim of a better played game Sat than Sun.

- Chunk


Detroit scored first Saturday, the Hawks scored first Sunday. I forgot the Hawks record when scoring first, but it is far superior than when the oppoent scores first.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Mar 1 @ 4:29 PM ET
Nice! I'm quite jealous (am I'm not even a good skier).
- Chunk


my first time to Crested Butte....Great Place!!!
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Mar 1 @ 4:57 PM ET
No. Too old for the Hawks and the Hawks should not be giving up assets for a 30 year old. The timing is not right.
- Elbows15

I think maybe we ought to let Darth be the judge of that....
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:07 PM ET
One of the few games where the opposition goaltender outplayed our goaltender.
- LAHawk

It is not unreasonable to think that this team could be very competitive in playoffs after even only two prospects on defense begin to play better/develop. Most likely Murphy and Keith would be here at least for a while, and DeHahn + possibly Zadorov could be gone.

After tossing around some dmen names in past blogs plus your [LA HAWK] own comments, this appears to be what most everyone agrees

It would be remiss though to say Zadorov is more a hindrance than helpful to the team's success. Specificly Zadorov may get into a situation where often he does not get much TOI. But he is available when strategically called upon. After all, if he doesn't leave via The Expansion Draft, he might not fetch the price desired via trade....so wait and later on we might get a better return for him.

We can win with Zadorov and we can win with the two goaltenders here quite likely for a couple or more years. It is the win a Cup with Osgood quality netminder which I am sure Bowman would entertain doing.

Neither goaltender will have gaudy numbers and by saying gaudy, I do mean not necessarily especially great, flashy nor bad negative.
So they do not have to be given more $ than a glut of goaltenders on the market as teams re-shape their roster (particularly goaltenders) after The Expansion Draft.

This covid will still be threatening next hockey season, so I expect taxi squads and three goaltenders.

What I also foresee is needing more money to pay certain players due a raise. Cumulative it does add up. The goaltenders here, Suter, Kubalik due a bump in pay, correct.

The team payroll could be reduced if by next trade deadline - and probably best not sooner - a large salary is moved. Say a couple kids have developed nicely and inexperience among youthful dmen is not quite so worrisome. Then Murphy MIGHT be moved. Might.

I would guess Shaw certainly and maybe Seabrook and Toews would not count against the cap if they are long term injury designated

It is a long way until next season so who knows how situations turn out. I just mentioned some possibilities

Oh as for Strome leave him unprotected. If he is here next fall he can be employed while through the season Bowman can look to trade him. The best part of trading a Murphy and a Strome is not what renumeration, but more likely the savings. $$$.

Murphy and Strome hopefully are replaced from within our depth so receiving a player for them is not really worthwhile. Any player coming from a trade is probably not going to be a better fit than them [Murphy and Strome] so I would settle for a draft choice. With Murphy, his replacement might not be the same style dman. So Carlsson and or Zadorov could work in. Of course, we don't know if both will be here...one here, one gone is best guess

Kalynuk or Beaudin may essentially replace a Murohy for most if that TOI, yet I mean to clarify that the muscle and making a check could come from either Zadorov or Carlsson as they are worked in


Just remember LA HAWK I am advocating MAYBE trading both Murphy and Strome by trade deadline for next season. Strome can leave sooner although I would like to see first if Toews returns. Murphy is needed until next trade deadline or even beyond that.

Help from The Entry Draft: take best player available especially since the type style player where we would draft (11th or later) is not a sure fire top line forward nor the dman best suits our need. We need a Seabrook type dman, not another offensive dman.

We have Comessaro but a team could trade up to about 10th like last year if they want the top goaltender
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Mar 1 @ 5:12 PM ET
Would you trade Strome for Gagner? Too much? Too little?

I am just suggesting for the rest of the year if they want to try to make a run at a playoff spot. He is 31 and has an $850,000 cap hit. UFA after the year. We really do not have anyone on the Taxi Squad or the Rock that screams I should be in the NHL. So he would not be blocking anyone.

Strome will be 24 in a week. $3mil cap hit for another year. On concussion protocol. Does not really project as a top 2 center. Really not a great fit with the Hawks as currently constructed, other than insurance at the center position.

- -Doh-


That would be a big NO. Gagner has never really moved the needle for me. There is a reason he has been on six teams in the last seven years. Strome gets a lot of grief on here, but he is definitively a better player than Gagner
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 1 @ 5:22 PM ET
It is not unreasonable to think that this team could be very competitive in playoffs after even only two prospects on defense begin to play better/develop. Most likely Murphy and Keith would be here at least for a while, and DeHahn + possibly Zadorov could be gone.

After tossing around some dmen names in past blogs plus your

- jhawk59[LA HAWK] own comments, this appears to be what most everyone agrees

It would be remiss though to say Zadorov is more a hindrance than helpful to the team's success. Specificly Zadorov may get into a situation where often he does not get much TOI. But he is available when strategically called upon. After all, if he doesn't leave via The Expansion Draft, he might not fetch the price desired via trade....so wait and later on we might get a better return for him.

We can win with Zadorov and we can win with the two goaltenders here quite likely for a couple or more years. It is the win a Cup with Osgood quality netminder which I am sure Bowman would entertain doing.

Neither goaltender will have gaudy numbers and by saying gaudy, I do mean not necessarily especially great, flashy nor bad negative.
So they do not have to be given more $ than a glut of goaltenders on the market as teams re-shape their roster (particularly goaltenders) after The Expansion Draft.

This covid will still be threatening next hockey season, so I expect taxi squads and three goaltenders.

What I also foresee is needing more money to pay certain players due a raise. Cumulative it does add up. The goaltenders here, Suter, Kubalik due a bump in pay, correct.

The team payroll could be reduced if by next trade deadline - and probably best not sooner - a large salary is moved. Say a couple kids have developed nicely and inexperience among youthful dmen is not quite so worrisome. Then Murphy MIGHT be moved. Might.

I would guess Shaw certainly and maybe Seabrook and Toews would not count against the cap if they are long term injury designated

It is a long way until next season so who knows how situations turn out. I just mentioned some possibilities

Oh as for Strome leave him unprotected. If he is here next fall he can be employed while through the season Bowman can look to trade him. The best part of trading a Murphy and a Strome is not what renumeration, but more likely the savings. $$$.

Murphy and Strome hopefully are replaced from within our depth so receiving a player for them is not really worthwhile. Any player coming from a trade is probably not going to be a better fit than them [Murphy and Strome] so I would settle for a draft choice. With Murphy, his replacement might not be the same style dman. So Carlsson and or Zadorov could work in. Of course, we don't know if both will be here...one here, one gone is best guess

Kalynuk or Beaudin may essentially replace a Murohy for most if that TOI, yet I mean to clarify that the muscle and making a check could come from either Zadorov or Carlsson as they are worked in


Just remember LA HAWK I am advocating MAYBE trading both Murphy and Strome by trade deadline for next season. Strome can leave sooner although I would like to see first if Toews returns. Murphy is needed until next trade deadline or even beyond that.

Help from The Entry Draft: take best player available especially since the type style player where we would draft (11th or later) is not a sure fire top line forward nor the dman best suits our need. We need a Seabrook type dman, not another offensive dman.

We have Comessaro but a team could trade up to about 10th like last year if they want the top goaltender


Before you trade anyone, you have to figure out what your expansion protected list will look like. Of course, Lankanin will be protected as the goalie, i do not believe Subban will be the Krakens pick from Chicago. If Toews, Seabrook, AND I believe Shaw do not play the remainder of the year, and their injuries are considered career threatening, they are EXEMPT from the draft. If that is the case, the Hawks will be able to protect 2 players they were not planning to (for Topes and Seabs), and Shaw would not be protected anyway.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Mar 1 @ 5:23 PM ET
It is not unreasonable to think that this team could be very competitive in playoffs after even only two prospects on defense begin to play better/develop. Most likely Murphy and Keith would be here at least for a while, and DeHahn + possibly Zadorov could be gone.

After tossing around some dmen names in past blogs plus your

- jhawk59[LA HAWK] own comments, this appears to be what most everyone agrees

It would be remiss though to say Zadorov is more a hindrance than helpful to the team's success. Specificly Zadorov may get into a situation where often he does not get much TOI. But he is available when strategically called upon. After all, if he doesn't leave via The Expansion Draft, he might not fetch the price desired via trade....so wait and later on we might get a better return for him.

We can win with Zadorov and we can win with the two goaltenders here quite likely for a couple or more years. It is the win a Cup with Osgood quality netminder which I am sure Bowman would entertain doing.

Neither goaltender will have gaudy numbers and by saying gaudy, I do mean not necessarily especially great, flashy nor bad negative.
So they do not have to be given more $ than a glut of goaltenders on the market as teams re-shape their roster (particularly goaltenders) after The Expansion Draft.

This covid will still be threatening next hockey season, so I expect taxi squads and three goaltenders.

What I also foresee is needing more money to pay certain players due a raise. Cumulative it does add up. The goaltenders here, Suter, Kubalik due a bump in pay, correct.

The team payroll could be reduced if by next trade deadline - and probably best not sooner - a large salary is moved. Say a couple kids have developed nicely and inexperience among youthful dmen is not quite so worrisome. Then Murphy MIGHT be moved. Might.

I would guess Shaw certainly and maybe Seabrook and Toews would not count against the cap if they are long term injury designated

It is a long way until next season so who knows how situations turn out. I just mentioned some possibilities

Oh as for Strome leave him unprotected. If he is here next fall he can be employed while through the season Bowman can look to trade him. The best part of trading a Murphy and a Strome is not what renumeration, but more likely the savings. $$$.

Murphy and Strome hopefully are replaced from within our depth so receiving a player for them is not really worthwhile. Any player coming from a trade is probably not going to be a better fit than them [Murphy and Strome] so I would settle for a draft choice. With Murphy, his replacement might not be the same style dman. So Carlsson and or Zadorov could work in. Of course, we don't know if both will be here...one here, one gone is best guess


Just remember LA HAWK I am advocating MAYBE trading both Murphy and Strome by trade deadline for next season. Strome can leave sooner although I would like to see first if Toews returns. Murphy is needed until next trade deadline or even beyond that.

Help from The Entry Draft: take best player available especially since the type style player where we would draft (11th or later) is not a sure fire top line forward nor the dman best suits our need. We need a Seabrook type dman, not another offensive dman.

We have Comessaro but a team could trade up to about 10th like last year if they want the top goaltender


I assume you mean Commesso. In reality, there are very few goalies drafted in the first round, and those that are drafted in round one are usually in the lower third of the round. The last goalie drafted in the top 10 was Price at in 2005 at #5.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 1 @ 5:25 PM ET
Another Stan fail, not one Hawk in the top 30 "trade bait" list

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-...d-of-the-season-1.1600970
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Mar 1 @ 5:35 PM ET
Before you trade anyone, you have to figure out what your expansion protected list will look like. Of course, Lankanin will be protected as the goalie, i do not believe Subban will be the Krakens pick from Chicago. If Toews, Seabrook, AND I believe Shaw do not play the remainder of the year, and their injuries are considered career threatening, they are EXEMPT from the draft. If that is the case, the Hawks will be able to protect 2 players they were not planning to (for Topes and Seabs), and Shaw would not be protected anyway.
- LAHawk


That is not actually the case. Toews and Seabrook having NMC/NTC's would need to be protected, unless they waived their no trade clauses. Those that have missed 60 consecutive games or have what is considered career threatening injuries may not be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirements. You can't exploit the IR to try and maximize the number of players exposed.


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