12 noon.....who got claimed on waivers???
- HenryHockey

Oilers claimed Stalock. Connolly cleared.

To be fair to Hronek I looked at Kanes ice time against teams he’s played at least 50 mins of 5v5 hockey against.

CBJ gives him the Werenski - Jones matchup 50% of the time.

CAR gives him the Slavin - Hamilton matchup 50% of the time.

DET gives him the Nemeth - Hronek matchup 45% of the time.

So going off daily face off that’s the #1 1st D pair, the #4 1st D pair, and a league worst 1st D pair.

So basically Hronek is setup for failure with his current deployment.

Oilers claimed Stalock. Connolly cleared.
- gergeswillems

Thank you
If the Panthers are really intent on ridding themselves of Connelly, we could trade for him. Say Connelly (retain $1M) and a 2nd (or should I dare say even a 3rd) for Bobby Ryan. I would like to see Ryan come back this way next year though.

While we are at it, Re-sign Bernier for 2 years at $3.5M, trade Griess and Cholo to Buffalo for Montour and 2-2nd's. Find another goalie on waivers or in trade for exposure to the draft...I really do not want Picard up for the rest of the season...but maybe it is best to strictly look towards the future and forget about being competitive this year. There are no real ticket sales any way, bunch it and look towards a better future.

Wings lost again. What's lost in the article is the most significant part of the game. Patrick Kane got his 400th career goal. Congratulations! I'd have preferred it to happen against another team, but there's nothing we can change now. Thanks for bring a kick ass representative of USA hockey, Patrick!!!

Wings lost again. What's lost in the article is the most significant part of the game. Patrick Kane got his 400th career goal. Congratulations! I'd have preferred it to happen against another team, but there's nothing we can change now. Thanks for bring a kick ass representative of USA hockey, Patrick!!!

Been looking at trade info. It seems Chris Driedger is on the trade conversation. If we re-sign Bernier for 2 years at $3.5M, trade Griess to Buffalo , Stevie could trade for Connelly and Driedger (on condition he signs for 1 yr here for $1.5M ) for Ryan. A lot of possibilities exist! But I still don't like Connelly's contract

Quick is on the trade board....trade Griess for Quick ($1M retained) and Turcotte!
Re-sign Bernier and expose Quick in the ex-draft.

To be fair to Hronek I looked at Kanes ice time against teams he’s played at least 50 mins of 5v5 hockey against.

CBJ gives him the Werenski - Jones matchup 50% of the time.

CAR gives him the Slavin - Hamilton matchup 50% of the time.

DET gives him the Nemeth - Hronek matchup 45% of the time.

So going off daily face off that’s the #1 1st D pair, the #4 1st D pair, and a league worst 1st D pair.

So basically Hronek is setup for failure with his current deployment.
- Feds91Stammer

Oh he's definitely set up for failure. Thrown to the wolves, really. I can sympathize with that, but again it's just more evidence that he's not cut out for that kind of role.

I don't think he's an awful player but he's like a No. 4 or No. 5 who has been thrust into a No. 1 all situations role, with predictably disastrous results.

Oilers claimed Stalock. Connolly cleared.
- gergeswillems

Ken Holland is on a mission to sign every bad goalie in the NHL.

While we are at it, Re-sign Bernier for 2 years at $3.5M, trade Griess and Cholo to Buffalo for Montour and 2-2nd's. Find another goalie on waivers or in trade for exposure to the draft...I really do not want Picard up for the rest of the season...but maybe it is best to strictly look towards the future and forget about being competitive this year. There are no real ticket sales any way, bunch it and look towards a better future.


- HenryHockey

God, all of your posts are stupid.

Oh he's definitely set up for failure. Thrown to the wolves, really. I can sympathize with that, but again it's just more evidence that he's not cut out for that kind of role.

I don't think he's an awful player but he's like a No. 4 or No. 5 who has been thrust into a No. 1 all situations role, with predictably disastrous results.
- Sven22

If Seider becomes what i think he should (top pair righty) then Hronek should be good on the 2nd pair. Seider will draw the tougher matchups leaving Hronek in better position to post better numbers (hopefully).

U20 scoring for SHL Wings have 3 of the top 5 point producers

1. Moritz Seider 36GP, 6 goals, 20 assists, 26 points, +15
2. William Eklund (LW/C undrafted) 35GP, 10 goals, 9 assists, 19 points, +3
3. Lucas Raymond 34GP, 6 goals, 12 assists, 18 points, +1
4. Alexander Holtz 35GP, 7 goals, 10 assists, 17 points, -5
5. Albert Johansson (D) 36GP, 7 goals, 10 assists, 17 points, +16

If Seider becomes what i think he should (top pair righty) then Hronek should be good on the 2nd pair. Seider will draw the tougher matchups leaving Hronek in better position to post better numbers (hopefully).
- dcz28

Hronek has a ceiling of like a Sami Vatanen type player so yeah hopefully in ideal circumstances he could be a 2nd pair guy capable of a little offense.

U20 scoring for SHL Wings have 3 of the top 5 point producers

1. Moritz Seider 36GP, 6 goals, 20 assists, 26 points, +15
2. William Eklund (LW/C undrafted) 35GP, 10 goals, 9 assists, 19 points, +3
3. Lucas Raymond 34GP, 6 goals, 12 assists, 18 points, +1
4. Alexander Holtz 35GP, 7 goals, 10 assists, 17 points, -5
5. Albert Johansson (D) 36GP, 7 goals, 10 assists, 17 points, +16
- dcz28

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- gergeswillems

God, all of your posts are stupid.
- GPHawksfan

Wow. That was so very nice of you.....Parachute in and lob insults. Have an amazing day!

Hronek has a ceiling of like a Sami Vatanen type player so yeah hopefully in ideal circumstances he could be a 2nd pair guy capable of a little offense.
- Feds91Stammer

Sorry ya'll, been working, went back home last weekend, listened to the game on the radio on the drive back to VA. Sounded like a drubbing.

So, caught up on the discussions RE: Wings D....Let me ask you this (ALL of you...): Is Hronek being looked at through the current coaching lens? I'd off that he's actually a pretty good D-Man, instinctual, anticipates locations, passing lanes, etc... Things you can't necessarily teach. BUT, all of that may well be negated by a coaching staff that's not tuned into putting together anywhere near effective game plans that exploit the capabilities of the couple of D-men that are worth a ship. I seriously think Hronek is a damn good D-man. Watch him play, I'd offer you see him position himself better than anyone else on the roster right now, is he a NHL Top Line D? Absolutely not. BUT, is that because he's not being coached properly or because he really stinks up the joint?

"A rival executive tells Custance and Duhatschek that GM Steve Yzerman is listening to all offers and wouldn’t be surprised if a young core forward such as Anthony Mantha or Tyler Bertuzzi were moved."

Has someone parachuted in to peek at our board, Jeremy????

Discussion about Mantha being a potential trade target. NOT happy about Bertuzzi's name being bandied about. That kid's got the grit and perseverance we need. I'm not honestly sold on Mantha being on the block, either. Both are solid players. Of course, if say, Raymond clicks and makes the roster next year, etc..... The "What If's" are limitless. It's a business, for sure, and no one is ever truly safe. But damn, BERTUZZI?!?!?!?

Sorry ya'll, been working, went back home last weekend, listened to the game on the radio on the drive back to VA. Sounded like a drubbing.

So, caught up on the discussions RE: Wings D....Let me ask you this (ALL of you...): Is Hronek being looked at through the current coaching lens? I'd off that he's actually a pretty good D-Man, instinctual, anticipates locations, passing lanes, etc... Things you can't necessarily teach. BUT, all of that may well be negated by a coaching staff that's not tuned into putting together anywhere near effective game plans that exploit the capabilities of the couple of D-men that are worth a ship. I seriously think Hronek is a damn good D-man. Watch him play, I'd offer you see him position himself better than anyone else on the roster right now, is he a NHL Top Line D? Absolutely not. BUT, is that because he's not being coached properly or because he really stinks up the joint?
- mcmastermike1968

I like Hronek but he’s forced into a role he cannot succeed in. Right now I’m not even sure he’s a better d man than Stetcher.

"A rival executive tells Custance and Duhatschek that GM Steve Yzerman is listening to all offers and wouldn’t be surprised if a young core forward such as Anthony Mantha or Tyler Bertuzzi were moved."

Has someone parachuted in to peek at our board, Jeremy????

Discussion about Mantha being a potential trade target. NOT happy about Bertuzzi's name being bandied about. That kid's got the grit and perseverance we need. I'm not honestly sold on Mantha being on the block, either. Both are solid players. Of course, if say, Raymond clicks and makes the roster next year, etc..... The "What If's" are limitless. It's a business, for sure, and no one is ever truly safe. But damn, BERTUZZI?!?!?!?
- mcmastermike1968

Being that I lived in Tampa during Yzermans entire tenure there I will say he made multiple trades that were not popular with fans at the time. I would just say trust the process and accept that the guys we are talking about are not and will not be red wings legends.

Sorry ya'll, been working, went back home last weekend, listened to the game on the radio on the drive back to VA. Sounded like a drubbing.

So, caught up on the discussions RE: Wings D....Let me ask you this (ALL of you...): Is Hronek being looked at through the current coaching lens? I'd off that he's actually a pretty good D-Man, instinctual, anticipates locations, passing lanes, etc... Things you can't necessarily teach. BUT, all of that may well be negated by a coaching staff that's not tuned into putting together anywhere near effective game plans that exploit the capabilities of the couple of D-men that are worth a ship. I seriously think Hronek is a damn good D-man. Watch him play, I'd offer you see him position himself better than anyone else on the roster right now, is he a NHL Top Line D? Absolutely not. BUT, is that because he's not being coached properly or because he really stinks up the joint?
- mcmastermike1968

I kinda got at this in my original post that opened up this whole can of worms, but I think Hronek is a defenseman who looks better than he actually is. He clearly has a lot of good "tools" but despite that his on-ice results just aren't there, and haven't really ever been. The eye test I think is a bit deceiving.

Jack Johnson would be a much more extreme version of this kind of situation. Just watching the guy (at least earlier in his career) you could tell he could really skate, hit, shoot, etc. but the reality was his teams got killed with him on the ice no matter who he played with or who he played against. He had the tools but not the brains. Hronek is nowhere near as bad as Johnson but you get what I mean. He looks good carrying the puck on the rush but in reality the Wings struggle when he's on the ice.

Just decisions he seems to make -- taking shots from downtown instead of using the space he has, making bad pinches, laying down constantly to defend odd man rushes instead of staying on his feet and using the stick, etc. -- are just often very questionable in my opinion.

How much of that is coaching and how much of that is poor hockey awareness? I'm sure it's a little of both but ultimately I don't think Hronek really has it in him to ever be a good first pair D at the NHL level.

I kinda got at this in my original post that opened up this whole can of worms, but I think Hronek is a defenseman who looks better than he actually is. He clearly has a lot of good "tools" but despite that his on-ice results just aren't there, and haven't really ever been. The eye test I think is a bit deceiving.

Jack Johnson would be a much more extreme version of this kind of situation. Just watching the guy (at least earlier in his career) you could tell he could really skate, hit, shoot, etc. but the reality was his teams got killed with him on the ice no matter who he played with or who he played against. He had the tools but not the brains. Hronek is nowhere near as bad as Johnson but you get what I mean. He looks good carrying the puck on the rush but in reality the Wings struggle when he's on the ice.

Just decisions he seems to make -- taking shots from downtown instead of using the space he has, making bad pinches, laying down constantly to defend odd man rushes instead of staying on his feet and using the stick, etc. -- are just often very questionable in my opinion.

How much of that is coaching and how much of that is poor hockey awareness? I'm sure it's a little of both but ultimately I don't think Hronek really has it in him to ever be a good first pair D at the NHL level.
- Sven22

I get what you mean. Hronek is 2nd pair guy and 2nd PP guy and is in over his head. I just hope Stevie does not have to over-pay him on his next contract based on his TOI and 1st pr usage.
Not much help for our D in FA this summer. There are older, good defensive D's that can be place holders til the prospects develop, such as Niklas Hjalmarsson, Jason Demers, Ian Cole, Alec Martinez, and our own Patrik Nemeth could be signed for 1-2 yr deals. Can't see any possible #1pair guys, Stevie would have to trade for them. I just wonder if he could trade Mantha for a damn good D-man. Of coarse it would have to be this summer as all of them will be used to pursue the cup. There is some rumblings in Buffalo that involve Dahlin......He may be the only way they shed a bad contract because of all the cap-maxed teams this year. Would someone trade for Dahlin and take on Skinner's contract? Skinner has an NMC so I don't see that happening for Detroit....but what about Kyle Okoposo and his 2 more years at $6M???? KO + Dahlin for Mantha + Oilers 2nd + Vegas 3rd
Buffalo would want a 1st though and we really need to hang on to our 1st's for the next 3 yrs

I get what you mean. Hronek is 2nd pair guy and 2nd PP guy and is in over his head. I just hope Stevie does not have to over-pay him on his next contract based on his TOI and 1st pr usage.
Not much help for our D in FA this summer. There are older, good defensive D's that can be place holders til the prospects develop, such as Niklas Hjalmarsson, Jason Demers, Ian Cole, Alec Martinez, and our own Patrik Nemeth could be signed for 1-2 yr deals. Can't see any possible #1pair guys, Stevie would have to trade for them. I just wonder if he could trade Mantha for a damn good D-man. Of coarse it would have to be this summer as all of them will be used to pursue the cup. There is some rumblings in Buffalo that involve Dahlin......He may be the only way they shed a bad contract because of all the cap-maxed teams this year. Would someone trade for Dahlin and take on Skinner's contract? Skinner has an NMC so I don't see that happening for Detroit....but what about Kyle Okoposo and his 2 more years at $6M???? KO + Dahlin for Mantha + Oilers 2nd + Vegas 3rd
Buffalo would want a 1st though and we really need to hang on to our 1st's for the next 3 yrs
- HenryHockey

I would move on from Nemeth. I could stomach reupping another 1 year deal for Merrill and maybe go for Ryan Murray on a 2-3 year deal.

I like Hronek but he’s forced into a role he cannot succeed in. Right now I’m not even sure he’s a better d man than Stetcher.
- Feds91Stammer

See, that's my point.....

That, to me, indicates he's not being used properly (and we KNOW the coaching side of the Wings is pretty horrible....). So, with a better D-Coach, would he become a better D-Man?