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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 1 @ 12:48 PM ET
Of all the stuff going on this year what surprises me most is how good Florida and Chicago are.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 1 @ 12:50 PM ET
Maybe. It depends. I personally wouldn't move Forsberg if I were Nashville but I'd be looking at expiring contracts and seeing if they fit long term. If not, I'd be getting whatever I can get. Middling picks or prospects sometimes work out.

Leafs gave up nothing for Hyman. I just checked it was McKegg. Deals can be had!

- Aaron_85


Yeah, that's a certainty - although the Hyman deal was a nothingburger at the time. No one had played in the NHL (McKegg with 4 games) and there were no salary considerations.

Deals can be made, but when we talk about the massive undertaking of moving out a 0 goal Johansen who makes $8m for 5 years or 3 goal Duchene who makes $8m for 6 years and is already 30 . . . that's sort of another story.

Look. We traded David Clarkson (equivalent to $6.65m in today's cap). We traded Vesa Toskala (equivalent to $6.5m cap in today's cap). Anything is possible!
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 1 @ 12:53 PM ET
Of all the stuff going on this year what surprises me most is how good Florida and Chicago are.
- Aaron_85


I think Florida is for real. I think Chicago is an optical illusion brought on by playing 12 games against Columbus and Detroit (9-3 in those games; they are 3-4-4 in their other games).
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 1 @ 12:54 PM ET
Yeah, that's a certainty - although the Hyman deal was a nothingburger at the time. No one had played in the NHL (McKegg with 4 games) and there were no salary considerations.

Deals can be made, but when we talk about the massive undertaking of moving out a 0 goal Johansen who makes $8m for 5 years or 3 goal Duchene who makes $8m for 6 years and is already 30 . . . that's sort of another story.

Look. We traded David Clarkson (equivalent to $6.65m in today's cap). We traded Vesa Toskala (equivalent to $6.5m cap in today's cap). Anything is possible!

- Monkeypunk


If I were a GM needing a center I would definitely look at those two guys at potential bargain deals. I do't think this one year will cloud their entire careers, especially RyJo but it could be an indicator of a bargain.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Mar 1 @ 12:54 PM ET
They are one game below .500. They aren't exactly lighting up the league in a lot of projectable play stats, but I guess you never know. They have a LOT of underperforming players.

The writing is on the wall, *I* think.

That said, Matt Duchene makes $8m / year for 5 years after this one, and he's 30. He has 3 goals in 21 games and is -6 at 5v5 play. Johansen is probably marketable; he's 28 and has 4 more years @ $8m - although his 0 goals may have something to say about his marketability.

Right _now_ just about everyone on Nashville would be worth pennies on the dollar; they might be better off selling off their UFAs (Haula, Granlund and Rinne (who Friedman declared untouchable for some odd reason)) and hoping they play a bit better at some point.

- Monkeypunk

No one is touching Duchene. Not at that contract.. Johansen has 5 assists, but all but 1 are PP points..

I think the best option for them would be to start over from scratch but I'm not Nashville.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Mar 1 @ 12:56 PM ET
Yeah, that's a certainty - although the Hyman deal was a nothingburger at the time. No one had played in the NHL (McKegg with 4 games) and there were no salary considerations.

Deals can be made, but when we talk about the massive undertaking of moving out a 0 goal Johansen who makes $8m for 5 years or 3 goal Duchene who makes $8m for 6 years and is already 30 . . . that's sort of another story.

Look. We traded David Clarkson (equivalent to $6.65m in today's cap). We traded Vesa Toskala (equivalent to $6.5m cap in today's cap). Anything is possible!

- Monkeypunk


To be fair, we traded Clarkson for a player that was never gonna play again.. That only makes sense to Nashville, if they think Duchene and Johansen are completely useless
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 1 @ 1:02 PM ET
To be fair, we traded Clarkson for a player that was never gonna play again.. That only makes sense to Nashville, if they think Duchene and Johansen are completely useless
- PatC80


Yeah.

There are so many factors. Aaron's suggestion was that if they want to shed the $16m in cap from Johansen and/or Duchene (and I agree with you - I think Johansen probably has some value, albeit highly diminished) so they aren't paying it while they rebuild, then they should. There are ways to trade those contracts one way or the other - but it's hard to move that kind of cap hit, especially right now. You flatten the cap, and dead weight becomes all the more deader.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 1 @ 1:03 PM ET
I think Florida is for real. I think Chicago is an optical illusion brought on by playing 12 games against Columbus and Detroit (9-3 in those games; they are 3-4-4 in their other games).
- Monkeypunk


I do think Florida is for real and yeah but Chicago can ruin someone's playoff hopes.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 1 @ 1:04 PM ET
I do think Florida is for real and yeah but Chicago can ruin someone's playoff hopes.
- Aaron_85


I have Kane & DeBrincat in my hockey pool. They are keeping me in the top-5. I'm all for Chicago playing 9-7 games, since Kane & DeBrincat seem to be the only ones who get points!
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 1 @ 1:04 PM ET
I'm the first guy to point out that Robertson is an unproven commodity at this point, but the way our forwards' salaries are structured, we simply can't trade him.

He needs to play for the next three years at ELC prices, and we hope that he works out well.

- Atomic Wedgie


I completely agree with this. And being a occasional user of Stumble Upon I happened to stumble upon this thought. We can refer to the top players as the Creme dela Creme, why would Leafs trade with hopeless teams to acquire the Crap dela Crap?
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 1 @ 1:04 PM ET
Yeah.

There are so many factors. Aaron's suggestion was that if they want to shed the $16m in cap from Johansen and/or Duchene (and I agree with you - I think Johansen probably has some value, albeit highly diminished) so they aren't paying it while they rebuild, then they should. There are ways to trade those contracts one way or the other - but it's hard to move that kind of cap hit, especially right now. You flatten the cap, and dead weight becomes all the more deader.

- Monkeypunk


I think RyJo still gets a first rounder, top prospect and a roster player. Duchene is something else.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 1 @ 1:17 PM ET
Also I expect trades to happen in a few weeks. Deadline is April 12, playoffs a month later and any US player still has 14 day quarantine so they will only get a few games in up here before playoffs.

Dubas also does his heavy lifting prior to the deadline.
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Mar 1 @ 1:19 PM ET
What would Buffalo take from us for Eichel?
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 1 @ 1:19 PM ET
I think RyJo still gets a first rounder, top prospect and a roster player. Duchene is something else.
- Aaron_85

shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Mar 1 @ 1:21 PM ET
I think RyJo still gets a first rounder, top prospect and a roster player. Duchene is something else.
- Aaron_85

According to the Athletic teams are going to lose money by making the playoffs and only a handful of teams have permission from ownership to take on salary.

If that’s true it should be a buyers market.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 1 @ 1:21 PM ET

- AdamFrench


I still think he is looked at as a top center in the league, locked in for a number of years. Besides I'm not a real GM. I can trade anything i want.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Mar 1 @ 1:22 PM ET
I think RyJo still gets a first rounder, top prospect and a roster player. Duchene is something else.
- Aaron_85


I don't see it.. Johansen might get you a mid-round pick and a B level prospect, unless Nashville retains like 50% salary
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Mar 1 @ 1:24 PM ET
What would Buffalo take from us for Eichel?
- CarlitoBrigante


At this point they'd probably give anything for a goal
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Mar 1 @ 1:24 PM ET
What would Buffalo take from us for Eichel?
- CarlitoBrigante



I posted it on Twitter and was called a troll

I suggested Tavares, Robertson, Liljegren and a 1st rd pick for Eichel
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Mar 1 @ 1:26 PM ET
I posted it on Twitter and was called a troll

I suggested Tavares, Robertson, Liljegren and a 1st rd pick for Eichel

- PatC80


I would do that in a heartbeat
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Mar 1 @ 1:27 PM ET
I posted it on Twitter and was called a troll

I suggested Tavares, Robertson, Liljegren and a 1st rd pick for Eichel

- PatC80


Tavares won’t accept that.

Nylander / Nicky Bobby / Sandin and picks maybe?

Still probably not enough.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 1 @ 1:28 PM ET
I don't see it.. Johansen might get you a mid-round pick and a B level prospect, unless Nashville retains like 50% salary
- PatC80


If he's traded at any point from Nashville to another team and gets a 1st, prospect and a roster player you owe me 5 bucks.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 1 @ 1:31 PM ET
If he's traded at any point from Nashville to another team and gets a 1st, prospect and a roster player you owe me 5 bucks.
- Aaron_85

What do you owe him when Johansen fades into obscurity and enjoys his millions for being a mediocre player who leveraged being "tall" and playing in a small market much like his boy Dubois?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 1 @ 1:35 PM ET
Tavares won’t accept that.

Nylander / Nicky Bobby / Sandin and picks maybe?

Still probably not enough.

- Garnie

Neither will Buffalo.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Mar 1 @ 1:36 PM ET
You'd have to move 2/3 other pieces to get the caphits to line up... Thats to much of an earthquake to the team for me.

Plus I don't see Nashville being interested in a Kerfoot/Dermott/Engvall type package, which means a Sandin or Robertson becomes the draw.

Seems like trouble to me.

- joel878


I don't think there is deal to be had for Forsberg at this time.
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