That would be more comforting if 2 of those wins weren't in an OT/shootout format that doesn't exist in the playoffs. The Pens are that team this year that wins a lot in OT making their record look better than they actually are.
- Tojo.

I agree, I get it. One thing I will say is that they do win in tight games which is something you need to do in the playoffs. That being said we need better forwards if we actually wanna compete. Sid and Geno couldn't carry a non existent 4th line when they were in their prime, what makes us think they are gonna do it now? We need to make another good line or were (frank)ed anyways.

That would be more comforting if 2 of those wins weren't in an OT/shootout format that doesn't exist in the playoffs. The Pens are that team this year that wins a lot in OT making their record look better than they actually are.
- Tojo.

Oh you mean like the Red Wings in their fading years when they took a bunch of SO wins to the playoffs and then poop the bed vs. Tampa?

If they can snag like Rackell or Palmeri that would be a good start. And I know Zuck is injured but I'm just going full health here:
Zuck-Sid- Rackell or Palmeri
Guentz-Geno-Rust
Tanev-Blue-Kap
ZAR-McCann-(trade)

Oh you mean like the Red Wings in their fading years when they took a bunch of SO wins to the playoffs and then poop the bed vs. Tampa?
- j.boyd919

Haha yea that's true. As we stand now we'll probably miss the playoffs or get bounced in the first round. If they don't address making another line were (frank)ed, but if they do I think we can compete. And if we get hot in the playoffs anything can happen. Not saying we're a top contender by any means.

Boyd, if it was possible would you personally go in on Forsberg? I know it seems like a long shot but I'd be trying. I'd believe it to be a better chance if they traded Ekholm first. We can dangle a LD plus whatever we can. If they say no then (frank) it haha

Boyd, if it was possible would you personally go in on Forsberg? I know it seems like a long shot but I'd be trying. I'd believe it to be a better chance if they traded Ekholm first. We can dangle a LD plus whatever we can. If they say no then (frank) it haha
- 668710

Yeah I don’t think the pens have the assets to make it happen if he was available.

Haha yea that's true. As we stand now we'll probably miss the playoffs or get bounced in the first round. If they don't address making another line were (frank)ed, but if they do I think we can compete. And if we get hot in the playoffs anything can happen. Not saying we're a top contender by any means.
- 668710

The anything can happen part is the worst line of thinking. It’s what kept Holland to get the wings to limp into the playoffs every year. Either your team is a legit contender or your goalie has a JS Gigeure/Tim Thomas type playoffs.

Boyd, if it was possible would you personally go in on Forsberg? I know it seems like a long shot but I'd be trying. I'd believe it to be a better chance if they traded Ekholm first. We can dangle a LD plus whatever we can. If they say no then (frank) it haha
- 668710

1. Don't think they have the assets
2. Don't know if it's worth the assets for 2 years of Forsberg before he walks

Pens are in a tough spot right now due to GMJR

1. Don't think they have the assets
2. Don't know if it's worth the assets for 2 years of Forsberg before he walks

Pens are in a tough spot right now due to GMJR
- j.boyd919

Yea a (frank)ing terrible few off-seasons especially this past one has put us in a bad spot.

Yea a (frank)ing terrible few off-seasons especially this past one has put us in a bad spot.
- 668710

Acquiring guys and then having to attach assets to them to trade them away didn't help. Overpaying for a guy like Kapenen didn't help, jumping the gun on bad FA signings when there were bargain/value guys didn't help. Trading away PP weapons for reclamation projects (albeit Matheson has been decent) didn't help.

I agree, I get it. One thing I will say is that they do win in tight games which is something you need to do in the playoffs. That being said we need better forwards if we actually wanna compete. Sid and Geno couldn't carry a non existent 4th line when they were in their prime, what makes us think they are gonna do it now? We need to make another good line or were (frank)ed anyways.
- 668710

Again, 7 of their 11 wins are in an OT/ shootout format that doesn't exist in the playoffs. They have 4 wins and 8 losses in regulation. They're not proving anything.

There is still some time to turn things around, but this doesn't look like a team that is a couple more forwards away from being a good team. And I wouldn't waste top futures going after a big name right now.

The anything can happen part is the worst line of thinking. It’s what kept Holland to get the wings to limp into the playoffs every year. Either your team is a legit contender or your goalie has a JS Gigeure/Tim Thomas type playoffs.
- Feds91Stammer

I still think we can contend IF they can add a couple pieces. Like you said you went through this with Lidstrom, Datsuyk and Zetterberg so you get it. It probably all looks the same to you haha.

Acquiring guys and then having to attach assets to them to trade them away didn't help. Overpaying for a guy like Kapenen didn't help, jumping the gun on bad FA signings when there were bargain/value guys didn't help. Trading away PP weapons for reclamation projects (albeit Matheson has been decent) didn't help.
- j.boyd919

They honestly need to use Matheson on the point and put Letang on Kessel's side.

Again, 7 of their 11 wins are in an OT/ shootout format that doesn't exist in the playoffs. They have 4 wins and 8 losses in regulation. They're not proving anything.

There is still some time to turn things around, but this doesn't look like a team that is a couple more forwards away from being a good team. And I wouldn't waste top futures going after a big name right now.
- Tojo.

I mean the other teams had the same chance to win in those OT/Shootouts and didn't. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, they definitely need to play better but they also need a couple guys or they aren't going anywhere. Sid and Geno in their prime couldn't carry a non existent 4th line and it's not gonna happen now.

I still think we can contend IF they can add a couple pieces. Like you said you went through this with Lidstrom, Datsuyk and Zetterberg so you get it. It probably all looks the same to you haha.
- 668710

Yeah problem is the assets and cap space you have limit the pieces you can add.

I mean the other teams had the same chance to win in those OT/Shootouts and didn't. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, they definitely need to play better but they also need a couple guys or they aren't going anywhere. Sid and Geno in their prime couldn't carry a non existent 4th line and it's not gonna happen now.
- 668710

OT and shootouts are basically a coin flip. There’s no coin flip in the playoffs.

Malkin sucks ass at this point. They should explore other options.

Malkin sucks ass at this point. They should explore other options.
- sammy87

I say get Gusev and Tatar, but only if they can extend each of them. I would offer MTL Kapanen straight up for Tatar if they'd take it. I have NO idea what Kapanen's value would be like.

I say get Gusev and Tatar, but only if they can extend each of them. I would offer MTL Kapanen straight up for Tatar if they'd take it. I have NO idea what Kapanen's value would be like.
- Rinosaur

Value isn’t bad. Probably depends on if MTL would prefer to keep Armia as 3RW since they already have Anderson and Gallagher locked up long term.

Value isn’t bad. Probably depends on if MTL would prefer to keep Armia as 3RW since they already have Anderson and Gallagher locked up long term.
- Feds91Stammer

I'd start offering Kapanen up and I hope Hextall doesn't have any obligatory feelings about him because of what JR gave up to get him. Maybe he can get the Pens a better center.

Yeah problem is the assets and cap space you have limit the pieces you can add.
- Feds91Stammer

Yea Ruth put us in a bad spot.

- Feds91Stammer

Lol

I'd start offering Kapanen up and I hope Hextall doesn't have any obligatory feelings about him because of what JR gave up to get him. Maybe he can get the Pens a better center.
- Rinosaur

Pettersson and Kap are probably our best options to move. I'd consider Dumo and Kap as well.

I say get Gusev and Tatar, but only if they can extend each of them. I would offer MTL Kapanen straight up for Tatar if they'd take it. I have NO idea what Kapanen's value would be like.
- Rinosaur

Thats a good scenario.