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Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 27 @ 11:15 PM ET
Jank was apparently out with injury tonight, not scratched.
- Victoro311

Chalk another one up for Wilson and long pants hockey, even though he unwittingly did us a favor.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Feb 28 @ 12:41 AM ET
Jarry for binnington. Long pants hockey
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 28 @ 12:58 AM ET
Horny Watch 2021: 1G 1A tonight for 9G 9A in 20 games. Not too shabby. Dumbest trade of the Crosby/Malkin era?
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 28 @ 1:00 AM ET
Jarry for binnington. Long pants hockey
- 10inchTerror

Long pants or long face?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 1:19 AM ET
Malkin not getting traded...stop. He is only a minus 8
- Malkin


Using plus minus for analysis voids any argument you have.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 28 @ 2:19 AM ET
Fair to say Taylor Hall has finally been outed as a fraud?
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Feb 28 @ 7:03 AM ET
Using plus minus for analysis voids any argument you have.
- j.boyd919


Plus minus is a stat like any other. It provides a piece of information that gives you a bit of insight into performance. It is a very broad and absolute one, which is partly why stat needs don't like it.

Geno has a bad plus minus and is playing bad hockey.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:07 AM ET
Fair to say Taylor Hall has finally been outed as a fraud?
- TheGame316

What?
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:14 AM ET
Plus minus is a stat like any other. It provides a piece of information that gives you a bit of insight into performance. It is a very broad and absolute one, which is partly why stat needs don't like it.

Geno has a bad plus minus and is playing bad hockey.

- MacPatty

I mean Geno could be a plus 8 and if he was still playing this way he'd be playing good hockey?
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Feb 28 @ 7:30 AM ET
Fair to say Taylor Hall has finally been outed as a fraud?
- TheGame316


The only fraudulent season was his MVP one. He needs to find a team where he can play a Kessel type role. He would be the type of guy that could put Boston over the top.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 28 @ 7:34 AM ET
Plus minus is a stat like any other. It provides a piece of information that gives you a bit of insight into performance. It is a very broad and absolute one, which is partly why stat needs don't like it.

Geno has a bad plus minus and is playing bad hockey.

- MacPatty

Yeah, I put more stock into +/- than I do the "hits" stat.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 28 @ 7:35 AM ET
The only fraudulent season was his MVP one. He needs to find a team where he can play a Kessel type role. He would be the type of guy that could put Boston over the top.
- MacPatty

Good call on all of that.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Feb 28 @ 7:47 AM ET
I mean Geno could be a plus 8 and if he was still playing this way he'd be playing good hockey?
- 668710


Could he play this way and be a plus 8? I don't think so. Again, it's not a perfect measure on its own... Crosby is playing great and is only a +1.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 28 @ 8:00 AM ET
Could he play this way and be a plus 8? I don't think so. Again, it's not a perfect measure on its own... Crosby is playing great and is only a +1.
- MacPatty

Yes he could. Let's say Jarry came in this season playing at his all star level. Or Geno had Jake and Rust on his line killing it. It's very possible.
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Feb 28 @ 8:02 AM ET
Jarry has played seven games on fourteen days. He needs a break. He looked tired last night.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 28 @ 8:04 AM ET
Then they should trade him. They are a better team overall with him due to lack of depth, but he has been a net negative this year and will likely be for the rest of the year. He's certainly nowhere near worth the $9.5M cap space he consumes. Blueger is playing better at $700K.
- Hockey66

Head agrees with you, heart says I want him to retire as a Pen. Heart is winning right now. Head also thinks it's too late to trade Malkin and Letang and still build a contender.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 28 @ 8:05 AM ET
Jarry has played seven games on fourteen days. He needs a break. He looked tired last night.
- Thunderbolt

Pretty positive Desmith will start tonight.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 28 @ 8:07 AM ET
I will say that our save percentage is not indicative of Jarry’s current game stealing level of play.
- Victoro311

I agree, he's been pretty good lately. We are just leaving a maddening amount of people open in prime scoring areas.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 28 @ 8:09 AM ET
I agree ...show casing #28 for a big trade
- Malkin

Schmidt only got a 3rd. I think people are going to be disappointed if they think Pettersson is getting a good return.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 28 @ 8:10 AM ET
I agree, he's been pretty good lately. We are just leaving a maddening amount of people open in prime scoring areas.
- Tojo.

Yea the breakdown on Bailey's goal was one of those. It's like they go into "Pond Hockey mode"
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 28 @ 8:11 AM ET
I’m pretty concerned that Dumoulin was bad after returning from injury last season, came into this season bad, and now has been out forever. It’s highly probable that he’ll be bad when he gets back, and if that’s the case we have no answer at 1LD despite having a million LDs.
- Victoro311

This is a concern. They really need either Pettersson or POJ to be able to grab that spot. I think POJ might eventually be capable of filling Dumoulin's shoes, but not yet. He needs to be breaking in on the 3rd pair.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 28 @ 8:14 AM ET
Schmidt only got a 3rd. I think people are going to be disappointed if they think Pettersson is getting a good return.
- Tojo.

Vegas doesn't know how to trade, and also didn't they need to move Schmidt to get under the cap?
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 28 @ 8:14 AM ET
Horny Watch 2021: 1G 1A tonight for 9G 9A in 20 games. Not too shabby. Dumbest trade of the Crosby/Malkin era?
- Hockey66

They'd be better with Hornqvist over Matheson this year. But at least MM is playing pretty well and is younger, so long-term they may win this trade which isn't something I thought I'd say. So while I'd still reverse it if I could, I can't call it a bad trade right now.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 28 @ 8:15 AM ET
This is a concern. They really need either Pettersson or POJ to be able to grab that spot. I think POJ might eventually be capable of filling Dumoulin's shoes, but not yet. He needs to be breaking in on the 3rd pair.
- Tojo.

Honestly might be better off moving Dumo then, just for the cap space alone. But we'll see once he does return.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 28 @ 8:15 AM ET
Head agrees with you, heart says I want him to retire as a Pen. Heart is winning right now. Head also thinks it's too late to trade Malkin and Letang and still build a contender.
- Tojo.

Pretty much agree with all of that other than watching Malkin in his current state makes my heart hurt so I'd rather he try to get back to his game somewhere else and come back later for a reunion tour. Also, Letang is playing pretty well and we don't have anyone who can replace him (unless we trade him or Malkin for a 1RD) because Marino is not looking so great.

This feels like dying a slow death.
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