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Bill Meltzer
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Feb 25 @ 10:24 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits, Meltzer's Musings and Today in Flyers History: Feb. 25, 2021
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Feb 25 @ 10:31 AM ET
Last night, as he did in practice on Tuesday, Vigneault moved Nolan Patrick from third line center to play right wing on a line with Giroux and Kevin Hayes. I thought Patrick played a solid two-way first period, including a pair of shot attempts and a couple of nice plays he made with the puck. His off-puck work the rest of the night remained solid (as it usually is) but he was scarcely involved offensively again over the final 40 minutes.
- bmeltzer


Hopefully he can get some confidence and consistency going before he's bumped back down to 3C.
Flyers_1488
Philadelphia Flyers
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Feb 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits, Meltzer's Musings and Today in Flyers History: Feb. 25, 2021
- bmeltzer



Thank you, Bill
Coburns_Nose
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Feb 25 @ 11:11 AM ET
i think Patrick is still getting his conditioning and confidence/reflexes up to where they could be

those things take time

he'll get chances playing with G and Hayes and that should help his confidence

i think his conditioning/reflexes will be a year long work in progress after all his time off
Bill Meltzer
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Feb 25 @ 11:23 AM ET
i think Patrick is still getting his conditioning and confidence/reflexes up to where they could be

those things take time

he'll get chances playing with G and Hayes and that should help his confidence

i think his conditioning/reflexes will be a year long work in progress after all his time off

- Coburns_Nose


I partially agree. Patience is still in order for sure. But Patrick had prolonged stretches like these, too, in his first and second seasons. Then he'd got hot for 10 games (rookie year) to 14 games (second year) before regressing to being a little too uninvolved offensively. I think he slips into a comfort zone -- play well defensively, do no harm offensively but stay on the perimeter unless there's a gaping lane to the scoring areas -- that he needs to push himself out of a little more. He's not even attempting to shoot nearly enough, for one thing. If it gets blocked or misses the net, shoot again the next time you think there's a lane. And be more assertive in making plays, like he did in training camp. Don't wait for the D to make a mistake; MAKE them make mistakes.
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Feb 25 @ 11:33 AM ET
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wcorvette
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Feb 25 @ 11:33 AM ET
I partially agree. Patience is still in order for sure. But Patrick had prolonged stretches like these, too, in his first and second seasons. Then he'd got hot for 10 games (rookie year) to 14 games (second year) before regressing to being a little too uninvolved offensively. I think he slips into a comfort zone -- play well defensively, do no harm offensively but stay on the perimeter unless there's a gaping lane to the scoring areas -- that he needs to push himself out of a little more. He's not even attempting to shoot nearly enough, for one thing. If it gets blocked or misses the net, shoot again the next time you think there's a lane. And be more assertive in making plays, like he did in training camp. Don't wait for the D to make a mistake; MAKE them make mistakes.
- bmeltzer



would you leave him on the wing?
wbon22
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Feb 25 @ 11:34 AM ET
Patrick lost an entire year...he has moments where he looks ready to break out offensively. He still is playing on the defensive side of the puck, so, there is hope.

Question, was it a thumb or wrist injury in Tampa that altered Renberg's release? I know he was never the same offensively after the injury but I don't remember which.
Hextall271
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Feb 25 @ 11:48 AM ET
Patrick lost an entire year...he has moments where he looks ready to break out offensively. He still is playing on the defensive side of the puck, so, there is hope.

Question, was it a thumb or wrist injury in Tampa that altered Renberg's release? I know he was never the same offensively after the injury but I don't remember which.

- wbon22


I thought he had a bad shoulder but I could be wrong.
Bill Meltzer
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Feb 25 @ 11:54 AM ET
Patrick lost an entire year...he has moments where he looks ready to break out offensively. He still is playing on the defensive side of the puck, so, there is hope.

Question, was it a thumb or wrist injury in Tampa that altered Renberg's release? I know he was never the same offensively after the injury but I don't remember which.

- wbon22


Mikael had both... broken wrist his first year in Tampa, broken thumb before the trade back to the Flyers. Right around Christmas, as a Flyer, he suffered a separated shoulder in Boston on a routine hit into the seamless glass (which caused a lot of injuries). He had broken ribs late in the season but tried to play through it the playoffs. Was also going through a divorce with his ex moving back to Sweden with their daughter. All of that clearly affected him.
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Feb 25 @ 11:56 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits, Meltzer's Musings and Today in Flyers History: Feb. 25, 2021
- bmeltzer

Give me the unknown of Friedman over the known bad play of Hagg any day. In the end yes it isn't a big deal; though to continually play Hagg is borderline insane. He is just not a good NHL dman.

Bill if Friedman is waived again, will they Flyers take him back do you think?
Hextall271
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Feb 25 @ 11:59 AM ET
Mikael had both... broken wrist his first year in Tampa, broken thumb before the trade back to the Flyers. Right around Christmas, as a Flyer, he suffered a separated shoulder in Boston on a routine hit into the seamless glass (which caused a lot of injuries). He had broken ribs late in the season but tried to play through it the playoffs. Was also going through a divorce with his ex moving back to Sweden with their daughter. All of that clear affected him.
- bmeltzer


Wow. Now that was a rough go with injuries. Loved him as a player. First live flyers game I ever saw was at the forum in Montreal the first game of the 95 96 season. They crushed them 7 1 and chased Roy. The legion of doom line was incredible And renny played great that game.
Bill Meltzer
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Feb 25 @ 12:02 PM ET
Give me the unknown of Friedman over the known bad play of Hagg any day. In the end yes it isn't a big deal; though to continually play Hagg is borderline insane. He is just not a good NHL dman.

Bill if Friedman is waived again, will they Flyers take him back do you think?

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Maybe but then they'd have to have to keep him on the NHL roster and not the Taxi Squad which was why he was waived in the first place.

Also, even if Friedman doesn't get much playing time, I think Hexy would "Martel" or "Weal" him and keep him in the NHL even if he barely plays.
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Feb 25 @ 12:05 PM ET
Maybe but then they'd have to have to keep him on the NHL roster and not the Taxi Squad which was why he was waived in the first place.

Also, even if Friedman doesn't get much playing time, I think Hexy would "Martel" or "Weal" him and keep him in the NHL even if he barely plays.

- bmeltzer

Then you waive or trade Hagg. He is just flat out bad. There is no other way to put it. There is always a GM out there who loves the Haggs of the world.

Plus Friedman is cheap and had a 2 year contract.
Thrashahoy
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Feb 25 @ 12:28 PM ET
In Patrick's case, is there any precedence of a top 10 pick not being very good at all and then several seasons later becoming a perennial 60 to 80 point scorer.

I can't seem to think of any. I know the later rounds have a bunch.
NC Flyers Fan
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Feb 25 @ 12:35 PM ET

Cool stuff here. What a story for the grandkids!

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...ng-gets-gritty-thanks-nhl

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Feb 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
Cool stuff here. What a story for the grandkids!

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...ng-gets-gritty-thanks-nhl

- NC Flyers Fan

Flyers struck gold with Gritty
Peter Richards
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Feb 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
i think Patrick is still getting his conditioning and confidence/reflexes up to where they could be

those things take time

he'll get chances playing with G and Hayes and that should help his confidence

i think his conditioning/reflexes will be a year long work in progress after all his time off

- Coburns_Nose


While I agree I also think he becomes more hesitant the more physical games become. It’s like hartnel down again. He seems to go down easily with contact. But protecting the head I get it. Last night frenchie looked to almost bulldog him to the ice. He did nothing but neither did the team I guess. I think it’ll take him a year to trust himself and his body again. But hope it is sooner.
Bill Meltzer
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Feb 25 @ 12:48 PM ET
In Patrick's case, is there any precedence of a top 10 pick not being very good at all and then several seasons later becoming a perennial 60 to 80 point scorer.

I can't seem to think of any. I know the later rounds have a bunch.

- Thrashahoy


Joe Thornton as a rookie had 3 goals and 7 points in 55 games. Then 41 points his second year. Became an impact player in year three (60 points) and a point-per-game player in year four.

Peter Richards
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Feb 25 @ 12:48 PM ET
Then you waive or trade Hagg. He is just flat out bad. There is no other way to put it. There is always a GM out there who loves the Haggs of the world.

Plus Friedman is cheap and had a 2 year contract.

- login


Well if he’s that bad who would trade for him.

Again you propose we ice a lesser team just bc. Sit Haag and NAK for Friedman and bunnaman.

And you’ll say trade them for picks. But with your assessment why would anyone trade for them. They are just so horrible.
Peter Richards
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Feb 25 @ 12:53 PM ET
In Patrick's case, is there any precedence of a top 10 pick not being very good at all and then several seasons later becoming a perennial 60 to 80 point scorer.

I can't seem to think of any. I know the later rounds have a bunch.

- Thrashahoy


Slightly different styles but would say jvr would be close. Or a Carter ( just flyers comparables). Slightly different styles but took some time for consistency in putting up numbers. Coots and Richie too just bc of the advance d game. ( not on either level but still)
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Feb 25 @ 12:53 PM ET
Well if he’s that bad who would trade for him.

Again you propose we ice a lesser team just bc. Sit Haag and NAK for Friedman and bunnaman.

And you’ll say trade them for picks. But with your assessment why would anyone trade for them. They are just so horrible.

- Peter Richards

He is that bad; stats and the eye test verify this. As I said in my post there is always a GM out there who thinks differently about players despite what the stats say. poopty players get traded all the time do they not? Dont trade him then waive him.

I didnt say sit NAK either. I said he is replaceable. They would be a better team with Friedman as his small sample size shows this to be the case.
NC Flyers Fan
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Feb 25 @ 12:55 PM ET
Flyers struck gold with Gritty
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Yep, it’s been amazing.

Ftown19125
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Feb 25 @ 12:57 PM ET
He is that bad; stats and the eye test verify this. As I said in my post there is always a GM out there who thinks differently about players despite what the stats say. poopty players get traded all the time do they not? Dont trade him then waive him.

I didnt say sit NAK either. I said he is replaceable. They would be a better team with Friedman as his small sample size shows this to be the case.

- login


you said he stinks. and your eye test blows.
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Feb 25 @ 12:59 PM ET
you said he stinks. and your eye test blows.
- Ftown19125

schoolgirl is back....I thoroughly enjoy it...funny how you use the term blows when it comes to me. Told you not interested.
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