I thought he has been fine there....he will take a while to get going but he has made some great passing plays with his back against the play. Matthews couldn't finish a gift last night.

he will get shifts off, but I am sure a lot of players will get looks next to the big 4.
- Santo_44

You are literally the only person who believes this. You know that, right?

I disagree. It should be

Kerfoot-Thornton-Marner
Tavares-Spezza-Hyman
Vesey-Nylander-Mikheyev
Barabanov-Matthews-Simmonds
- AdamFrench

Hardy Har Har:

Mikheyev-Matthews-Simmonds
Hyman-Tavares-Nylander
Thornton-Kerplunk-Vesey
Spezza-Marner-Robertson

This is your typical mode - deflect.

I asked you directly last night to go beyond your blame of Andersen and evaluate the team defence, our lack of pretty much anything 5 v. 5, the d zone net front coverage, and whether we are any "harder to play against".

Crickets.
- fifty__missions

I didn't see your comment.

secondly I never blamed Andersen, I just said he played bad which he did, the D played bad too. Next.

Should Thornton really be in the top 6?
- RickJames77

You know the answer to that already.

You are literally the only person who believes this. You know that, right?
- fifty__missions

Cool AA

You know the answer to that already.
- fifty__missions

Huh? I can see you’re a bit perturbed with Santo, but I’m not trying to stoke anything here. When a coach inserts a player into the top 6, than someone clearly thinks he should. Someone else mentioned it in a lineup, so I’m not really sure what I should be stopping here?

I see you edited the stop it, so I appreciate that. Personally, I think he shouldn’t be in the top 6, but then again I only flicked on the Leafs games for maybe 2 or 3 periods and don’t have the full picture.

Cool AA
- Santo_44

thanks

No but no worse than being trolled by Spatso. Cleaning up the dog vomit in my car is more fun than listening to the ultimate slimiest Ottawa troll.
- winsix

Such comforting words. I have missed all of you. 310 days in hockey isolation.

This is your typical mode - deflect.

I asked you directly last night to go beyond your blame of Andersen and evaluate the team defence, our lack of pretty much anything 5 v. 5, the d zone net front coverage, and whether we are any "harder to play against".

Crickets.
- fifty__missions

Hard not to think of Andersen getting a share of blame - 3 soft curling style goals in 4 minutes against one of the weakest offensive teams in recent memory is not what is expected. Can't wait for a different look in goal.

Such comforting words. I have missed all of you. 310 days in hockey isolation.
- spatso

Can't wait for System Tool to make an appearance, I'm sure he's axious to talk to you.

Huh? I can see you’re a bit perturbed with Santo, but I’m not trying to stoke anything here. When a coach inserts a player into the top 6, than someone clearly thinks he should. Someone else mentioned it in a lineup, so I’m not really sure what I should be stopping here?

I see you edited the stop it, so I appreciate that. Personally, I think he shouldn’t be in the top 6, but then again I only flicked on the Leafs games for maybe 2 or 3 periods and don’t have the full picture.
- RickJames77

According to Elliot Friedman, part of the negotiations for Vesey and Thornton was that the Leafs couldn't offer them much money, but they would be given an opportunity to start the season on the top 2 lines.

Is it true? I dunno.

But so far, it's the best explanation I've heard for Thornton on line 1.

Can't wait for System Tool to make an appearance, I'm sure he's axious to talk to you.
- winsix

just said a prayer for him the other day

Huh? I can see you’re a bit perturbed with Santo, but I’m not trying to stoke anything here. When a coach inserts a player into the top 6, than someone clearly thinks he should. Someone else mentioned it in a lineup, so I’m not really sure what I should be stopping here?

I see you edited the stop it, so I appreciate that. Personally, I think he shouldn’t be in the top 6, but then again I only flicked on the Leafs games for maybe 2 or 3 periods and don’t have the full picture.
- RickJames77

It's basically been consensus among media and fans (outside of Santo) that a. this was a bad idea from the start and b. the first two games have blatantly confirmed it.

Huh? I can see you’re a bit perturbed with Santo, but I’m not trying to stoke anything here. When a coach inserts a player into the top 6, than someone clearly thinks he should. Someone else mentioned it in a lineup, so I’m not really sure what I should be stopping here?

I see you edited the stop it, so I appreciate that. Personally, I think he shouldn’t be in the top 6, but then again I only flicked on the Leafs games for maybe 2 or 3 periods and don’t have the full picture.
- RickJames77

According to Elliot Friedman, part of the negotiations for Vesey and Thornton was that the Leafs couldn't offer them much money, but they would be given an opportunity to start the season on the top 2 lines.

Is it true? I dunno.

But so far, it's the best explanation I've heard for Thornton on line 1.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ahh ok. That would make sense. Although, I don’t know what Vesey has done to deserve that kind of handshake agreement. He had some relatively productive years in terms of goals in NY, though.

Can't wait for System Tool to make an appearance, I'm sure he's axious to talk to you.
- winsix

Please forgive my OCD:

"Fairchild"

It's basically been consensus among media and fans (outside of Santo) that a. this was a bad idea from the start and b. the first two games have blatantly confirmed it.
- fifty__missions

Yeah, I haven’t watched their first two games too closely so wasn’t sure. I figured it wouldn’t work out though.

Ahh ok. That would make sense. Although, I don’t know what Vesey has done to deserve that kind of handshake agreement. He had some relatively productive years in terms of goals in NY.
- RickJames77

With the no pre season games, they were able to give a FA the opportunity to start at a position if management and the coach could agree.

In a normal year, no I dont think you can or should do that....but there were no games to tell us otherwise between October 8th and now.

He would need to be put through waivers, he is getting the opportunity first for that reason.

According to Elliot Friedman, part of the negotiations for Vesey and Thornton was that the Leafs couldn't offer them much money, but they would be given an opportunity to start the season on the top 2 lines.

Is it true? I dunno.

But so far, it's the best explanation I've heard for Thornton on line 1.
- Atomic Wedgie

The number of players age 40+ who have been significant contributers in any meaningful way to team success in NHL history is....very small. The number of 40+ players who have done so as a 1st line player is, even smaller. Maybe, like, zero?

The number of players age 40+ who have been significant contributers in any meaningful way to team success in NHL history is....very small. The number of 40+ players who have done so as a 1st line player is, even smaller. Maybe, like, zero?
- fifty__missions

no other 40+ players played for a stacked team like the Leafs though

The number of players age 40+ who have been significant contributers in any meaningful way to team success in NHL history is....very small. The number of 40+ players who have done so as a 1st line player is, even smaller. Maybe, like, zero?
- fifty__missions

Johnny Bower.

no other 40+ players played for a stacked team like the Leafs though
- 21peter

Seriously, this team is so talented, they don't even need to work hard.

Seriously, this team is so talented, they don't even need to work hard.
- Atomic Wedgie

and don't they know it

The number of players age 40+ who have been significant contributers in any meaningful way to team success in NHL history is....very small. The number of 40+ players who have done so as a 1st line player is, even smaller. Maybe, like, zero?
- fifty__missions

I don’t know... while his offensive numbers have dropped Chara has still been pretty consistent in his own end

I liked the Thornton signing... I think the problem more than anything is that he’s long past his first line days and Keefe doesn’t seem to see it

Ahh ok. That would make sense. Although, I don’t know what Vesey has done to deserve that kind of handshake agreement. He had some relatively productive years in terms of goals in NY, though.
- RickJames77

That was Friedman talking out of his ass. He didn’t have any info that it actually happened. There’s no way Dubas made those kind of promises, that’s up to Keefe.