Michael Pachla: Sabres news, some good and not so good.

Solid read -

On another note

https://twitter.com/mfban.../1337812481549492225?s=21

Josh Allen has been a top 3 QB against top half of the league ranked defenses this year

#elite

Solid read -

On another note

https://twitter.com/mfban.../1337812481549492225?s=21

Josh Allen has been a top 3 QB against top half of the league ranked defenses this year

#elite
- sbroads24

Looking forward to tomorrow night's game vs. Pittsburgh

Forsberg is the reason Olofsson is a Sabre.

Hopefully he can come clutch for us with a few more late round gems.

Ding, ding, ding!

I still maintain the Prospect evaluations had Character elements weighted higher than in years past..while maintaining a high desire for superb skill sets...not either or.
Rossi and Quinn (-and probably more) had those boxes checked off in spades...so they came out relatively even.
The last consideration and therefore tie-breaker was Position...so to Homie's and your posts, they selected the Winger that fit their biggest positional need from probably several near equals.

The fact they were trying to move down from 8 to 11th suggests to me they knew they could get their highest rated player a few selections later AND pick up another pick (2nd? )....that is smart. When they couldn't, they showed some balls and went for their man. If that is a "reach" than so be it.

While I really, really wanted Rossi, I also can't hang them out to dry...yet, I admit it would have been nice to have the guy I wanted all along to root for in Blue and Gold...like with Cozens last year.
- IonSabres

This is all possibly true, and a very good reason why the Sabres are a poorly ran franchise

Quinn and Rossi won’t be in their primes or making measurable impacts for 2-3 years

So much can change in terms of team needs by then. It’s the NHL

Draft BPA. Always. Especially if the choices are two forwards

24 is too many a 20 team playoff would be better. 8 teams are in the play in.

Sabres lack solid goaltending. Fix that & it looks brighter now & long term.

Solid read -

On another note

https://twitter.com/mfban.../1337812481549492225?s=21

Josh Allen has been a top 3 QB against top half of the league ranked defenses this year

#elite
- sbroads24

I heard they were all historically the worst though?

I heard they were all historically the worst though?
- 3rd GM's the charm

Oh that was someone who’s just usually dead wrong about most things

NHL doing the cheapest, most boring option. So excited we get to watch the Sabres play the friggin Devils 8 times this year. Apart from the Sabres getting boned with their "division," this system just sucks. Theyre one stupid move away from a MLL best-of-two playoff series. This league sucks.

The NBA had the right idea to divide their season in half and reevaluate when a vaccine will be more readily available. The NHL just goes "how bout this poopty idea? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if they put him on a line with hall and eichel, what would be a realistic expectation?

he has a two way game
- homiedclown

I’ve never seen Quinn play, just some highlights
So i couldn’t really guess
But would it be more than Mitts, or Tage, or Ruotsalainen?

And why is it Tage or Quinn at RW1?
Sam is the obvious choice
Cozens could also play RW in the top6


I’m not saying Quinn doesn’t have talent
But i haven’t seen even 1 person say they think he’s ready for the NHL

And without a training camp to prove he is,
it all just seems very unlikely to me

Like i said before....
maybe if he looks good in the tourney he’ll get the 9 game tryout here,
but that’s the most I’m counting on at this point

This is all possibly true, and a very good reason why the Sabres are a poorly ran franchise

Quinn and Rossi won’t be in their primes or making measurable impacts for 2-3 years

So much can change in terms of team needs by then. It’s the NHL

Draft BPA. Always. Especially if the choices are two forwards

You missed the part where I theorized that their board...i.e. ranking of BPA had a couple very, very close...virtual equals in a land where one tries to quantify through subjective means the qualitative properties of a player.

There just isn't a definitive ranking, nor is there a single proper evaluation system, etc to rely on...it is many, many differing and competing views.

In that reality, can you absolutely tell who the BPA is...NO is the proper answer.

Ok, we have drug this out too long, it is now teetering on if Josh is in FA t Elite, or having an elite season, and if an Elite QB is an absolute requirement to win the SB.

I'm good with where I am...and good to agree to disagree

This is all possibly true, and a very good reason why the Sabres are a poorly ran franchise

Quinn and Rossi won’t be in their primes or making measurable impacts for 2-3 years

So much can change in terms of team needs by then. It’s the NHL

Draft BPA. Always. Especially if the choices are two forwards

You missed the part where I theorized that their board...i.e. ranking of BPA had a couple very, very close...virtual equals in a land where one tries to quantify through subjective means the qualitative properties of a player.

Their us now defy motive ranking, evaluation system, etc to relay on...it is many, many differing .

In that reality, can you absolutely tell who the BPA is...No is the proper answer.

Ok, we have drug this out too long, it is now teetering on if Josh is in FA t Elite, or having an elite season, and if an Elite QB is an absolute requirement to win the SB.

I'm good with where I am...and good to agree to disagree
- IonSabres

I'm just glad they didn't draft a defenseman

I'm just glad they didn't draft a defenseman
- jcragcrumple

Lucky for you that Ottawa took Sanderson at 5 as the Sabres loved him and I think would've taken him if he was there at 8.

This is all possibly true, and a very good reason why the Sabres are a poorly ran franchise

Quinn and Rossi won’t be in their primes or making measurable impacts for 2-3 years

So much can change in terms of team needs by then. It’s the NHL

Draft BPA. Always. Especially if the choices are two forwards

You missed the part where I theorized that their board...i.e. ranking of BPA had a couple very, very close...virtual equals in a land where one tries to quantify through subjective means the qualitative properties of a player.

Their us now defy motive ranking, evaluation system, etc to relay on...it is many, many differing .

In that reality, can you absolutely tell who the BPA is...No is the proper answer.

Ok, we have drug this out too long, it is now teetering on if Josh is in FA t Elite, or having an elite season, and if an Elite QB is an absolute requirement to win the SB.

I'm good with where I am...and good to agree to disagree
- IonSabres

Well of course. They talked themselves into thinking that. They aren’t going to egregiously pick a far inferior prospect (although they did)

Quinn grades out to be a Drew Stafford caliber player

Rossi is close to a Marchand/Backstrom type of player

I hope Quinn outperforms that but that’s the reality of where his game was when he was drafted

The Sabres are bad at this type of thing. I am assuming the logical outcome takes place that the guy they reached for will end up having a mid-first type career

I'm just glad they didn't draft a defenseman
- jcragcrumple

Askarov wouldn’t have p!ssed me off

I'm just glad they didn't draft a defenseman
- jcragcrumple

True that. Wasn’t the rumor on draft day we wanted Sanderson?

Well of course. They talked themselves into thinking that. They aren’t going to egregiously pick a far inferior prospect (although they did)

Quinn grades out to be a Drew Stafford caliber player

Rossi is close to a Marchand/Backstrom type of player

I hope Quinn outperforms that but that’s the reality of where his game was when he was drafted

The Sabres are bad at this type of thing. I am assuming the logical outcome takes place that the guy they reached for will end up having a mid-first type career
- sbroads24

Quinn reminds me a lot of Toffoli.

Rossi reminds me of Point.

Quinn reminds me a lot of Toffoli.

Rossi reminds me of Point.
- Pegullaville

Fair.

I like Quinn as a player and would love the pick if we were sitting at 12-15

Fair.

I like Quinn as a player and would love the pick if we were sitting at 12-15
- sbroads24

I think Toffoli is a great player, I take Point every time though.

So yes I agree.

Lucky for you that Ottawa took Sanderson at 5 as the Sabres loved him and I think would've taken him if he was there at 8.
- kingcong39

Sens are going to be tough in a couple seasons with their pipeline of prospects and some good young players already there. That Canadian Division will assure them another top 5 pick as well.

Well of course. They talked themselves into thinking that. They aren’t going to egregiously pick a far inferior prospect (although they did)

Quinn grades out to be a Drew Stafford caliber player

Rossi is close to a Marchand/Backstrom type of player

I hope Quinn outperforms that but that’s the reality of where his game was when he was drafted

The Sabres are bad at this type of thing. I am assuming the logical outcome takes place that the guy they reached for will end up having a mid-first type career
- sbroads24

Then offer him a 1 year contract every year...get those 30 goal season racking up 1 by 1!

Then offer him a 1 year contract every year...get those 30 goal season racking up 1 by 1!
- IonSabres

Seriously

I know it sounds like a slight, but I didn’t mean it to be. Stafford was a typical mid first scoring winger NHL career.

I think Quinn has the upside to be better from what I’ve read, but there’s nothing that stands out in his production yet.

I wanna see him at the WJ though

Well of course. They talked themselves into thinking that. They aren’t going to egregiously pick a far inferior prospect (although they did)

Quinn grades out to be a Drew Stafford caliber player

Rossi is close to a Marchand/Backstrom type of player

I hope Quinn outperforms that but that’s the reality of where his game was when he was drafted

The Sabres are bad at this type of thing. I am assuming the logical outcome takes place that the guy they reached for will end up having a mid-first type career
- sbroads24

And THAT is the key, but his ranking vs as you say his actual game. Quinn ramped his game up the last season which caused the Analysts to knock him down because they don't know what to make of him...their ranking reflected the question of: is he a true 50G guy, or an enigma and will regress back to lower production. They value consistency in the development curve and reward for it with their rankings...they don't know how to project a guy who had a 1 year spike...I can't blame them.

The Sabres Hockey Ops guys said they analyzed every part of the top prospects' game as they conducted a deep dive to re-evaluated after Botts was canned. From reports, Quinn's rather rapid ascension was due to the fact he dedicated himself to hockey and for the 1st time took offseason training seriously to focus himself in that 1 sport. The results were rather decisive.
Sabres must be convinced his last season is who he is when they make their projections.

I just can't knock the team too hard for going against who I wanted because of YouTube videos and Analysts projections. I too was disappointed as I wanted Rossi, but I'll wait to see.

And THAT is the key, but his ranking vs as you say his actual game. Quinn ramped his game up the last season which caused the Analysts to knock him down because they don't know what to make of him...their ranking reflected the question of: is he a true 50G guy, or an enigma and will regress back to lower production. They value consistency in the development curve and reward for it with their rankings...they don't know how to project a guy who had a 1 year spike...I can't blame them.

The Sabres Hockey Ops guys said they analyzed every part of the top prospects' game as they conducted a deep dive to re-evaluated after Botts was canned. From reports, Quinn's rather rapid ascension was due to the fact he dedicated himself to hockey and for the 1st time took offseason training seriously to focus himself in that 1 sport. The results were rather decisive.
Sabres must be convinced his last season is who he is when they make their projections.

I just can't knock the team too hard for going against who I wanted because of YouTube videos and Analysts projections. I too was disappointed as I wanted Rossi, but I'll wait to see.
- IonSabres

He's "old" for the draft class, too, right? I dont pretend to know anything about draft picks so I won't comment on whether he's a good pick but that seems potentially important. They really should raise the draft age but that's almost impossible logistically (and is a separate issue)

He's "old" for the draft class, too, right? I dont pretend to know anything about draft picks so I won't comment on whether he's a good pick but that seems potentially important. They really should raise the draft age but that's almost impossible logistically (and is a separate issue)
- jcragcrumple

He was a couple of weeks away from being in the 2019 draft. Rossi and Lundell were older for this class as well and in the same boat for the most part