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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: NHL Return to Play: the rubber meets the road (and, oh yeah, there's Covid)
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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 3 @ 11:54 AM ET
It’s just a flu...mortality rates are lower than the common flu season
- Pacificgem

Exactly, it's only killed triple the amount of what a normal bad flu season has. If all of the countries did nothing, I would guess it would probably be much closer to 5%
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 3 @ 11:54 AM ET
Ah yes, Alberta. The morons of Canada.
- NorthNuck


👍
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 3 @ 11:57 AM ET
Meanwhile in New Orleans

https://globalnews.ca/new...spreader-new-orleans-sex/

- VanHockeyGuy

With those rates, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened every weekend. People die from sex all the time.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 3 @ 11:59 AM ET
Benning must be on the radio this morning?


“Benning on Eriksson: We tried to give him a new team, a new opportunity, a new start. That didn't work out. As of now, he's under contract with us. He's still a good defensive player. We wanted him to score more when we signed him, that hasn't happened. #Canucks”
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 3 @ 12:00 PM ET
Benning must be on the radio this morning?


“Benning on Eriksson: We tried to give him a new team, a new opportunity, a new start. That didn't work out. As of now, he's under contract with us. He's still a good defensive player. We wanted him to score more when we signed him, that hasn't happened. #Canucks”

- Pacificgem

sportsnet at 8 am

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...off-season-going-younger/
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 3 @ 12:02 PM ET
Benning pumping Pod’s tires


“He could be a guy that could end up with Pearson and Horvat this year.”

-Jim Benning on Vasili Podkolzin
@Sportsnet650
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 3 @ 12:03 PM ET
Benning must be on the radio this morning?


“Benning on Eriksson: We tried to give him a new team, a new opportunity, a new start. That didn't work out. As of now, he's under contract with us. He's still a good defensive player. We wanted him to score more when we signed him, that hasn't happened. #Canucks”

- Pacificgem


He has a 15 team no trade list. Probably turned down a trade to Jersey, Ottawa and Siberia.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 3 @ 12:05 PM ET
Sorry Makita


“Benning on Green contract: No update on that. Travis has done an excellent job with our young players developing them. He's an excellent fit with our organization. He's the guy we want behind the bench coaching our team so we're going to keep working on that. #Canucks”
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 3 @ 12:05 PM ET
Benning pumping Pod’s tires


“He could be a guy that could end up with Pearson and Horvat this year.”

-Jim Benning on Vasili Podkolzin
@Sportsnet650

- Pacificgem


What about JV?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 3 @ 12:07 PM ET
Sorry Makita


“Benning on Green contract: No update on that. Travis has done an excellent job with our young players developing them. He's an excellent fit with our organization. He's the guy we want behind the bench coaching our team so we're going to keep working on that. #Canucks”

- Pacificgem


Actually If you follow JB's trend with expiring contracts, I'll suggest it's a possibility he ends up in CAL.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 3 @ 12:12 PM ET
“If the season was to start right now I don’t think he’d be starting”

-Jim Benning on Micheal Ferland
Currently on @Sportsnet650
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 3 @ 12:14 PM ET
What about JV?
- VanHockeyGuy

"I want more from him, I expect more from him... it's on him now."

🔊 Sound on! 🔊

#Canucks GM Jim Benning joined @JamesCybulski and @psolkowski and has some big expectations for Jake Virtanen coming into this season.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 3 @ 12:16 PM ET
Some of the teams will still be profitable without fans, or should I say, some owners will still make millions. Other teams are never profitable, even with fans.

Your boss comes to you and says revenue is down because of Covid, I’m cutting your salary. How you feeling about that? It’s certainly the case where I work. I work ducking hard and my job hasn’t become easier because volume is lower, it has become harder.

Start their own league, lol, who’s going to play in the old “owners” league, you?

- 1970vintage


The difference between the scenario you presented and the NHLPA's situation is that they're not salaried employees. The CBA puts them in a partnership arrangement with the owners and they're contractually guaranteed 50% of league revenues.

The original CBA framework never anticipated that games would have to be canceled because fans were prohibited from buying tickets and attending. That’s why they had to renegotiate some of the elements of it in the summer. The players may have agreed to a reduction in salary then so they could keep getting paid, but those negotiations were really just about timing of the payment for their share of the revenues. They're still not entitled to any more than 50%

The owners may be willing to suffer a loss to keep their product in front of their fans, but only to a certain point. The players may feel they already made concessions by agreeing to play for reduced payments on their contracts, but they’re still wanting to be paid more than their 50% share of the revenues. They're also claiming that they deserve to be paid for games they're not playing as well.

Players will have to agree to pro-rate or there won't be any kind of 2020-2021 season.

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 3 @ 12:22 PM ET
Do you have any KISS comic books?
- VanHockeyGuy

No I wish I did. Some of those are worth cash now. I may have had 1-2 at one time but probably sold them at a convention or something.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 3 @ 12:22 PM ET
It has a lot to do with the leadership, or lack thereof, by the premier in that sh ithole

Edit; it is also a province that idolizes Trump, go figure.

- Reubenkincade

Blame the south Asian community and those who died were sick anyways and not taking care of themselves. Leadership.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Dec 3 @ 12:24 PM ET
The difference between the scenario you presented and the NHLPA's situation is that they're not salaried employees. The CBA puts them in a partnership arrangement with the owners and they're contractually guaranteed 50% of league revenues.

The original CBA framework never anticipated that games would have to be canceled because fans were prohibited from buying tickets and attending. That’s why they had to renegotiate some of the elements of it in the summer. The players may have agreed to a reduction in salary then so they could keep getting paid, but those negotiations were really just about timing of the payment for their share of the revenues. They're still not entitled to any more than 50%

The owners may be willing to suffer a loss to keep their product in front of their fans, but only to a certain point. The players may feel they already made concessions by agreeing to play for reduced payments on their contracts, but they’re still wanting to be paid more than their 50% share of the revenues. They're also claiming that they deserve to be paid for games they're not playing as well.

Players will have to agree to pro-rate or there won't be any kind of 2020-2021 season.

- YeOldTimer


Who’s to say how many games is a full season, in terms of contracts? I bet you that no where in a player SPC does it say that if player X plays 82 game’s they receive their salary. If the season is 60 games, 40 games, 10 games it is still “a season” they still have to prepare just as rigorously (not getting paid), they still incur the same amount of risk for personal injury and long term disability playing one or eighty game’s, they will in fact be enduring more risk given what is going on right now.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
Exactly, it's only killed triple the amount of what a normal bad flu season has. If all of the countries did nothing, I would guess it would probably be much closer to 5%
- manvanfan

He says from the province with the highest per capita rate.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Dec 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
The difference between the scenario you presented and the NHLPA's situation is that they're not salaried employees. The CBA puts them in a partnership arrangement with the owners and they're contractually guaranteed 50% of league revenues.

The original CBA framework never anticipated that games would have to be canceled because fans were prohibited from buying tickets and attending. That’s why they had to renegotiate some of the elements of it in the summer. The players may have agreed to a reduction in salary then so they could keep getting paid, but those negotiations were really just about timing of the payment for their share of the revenues. They're still not entitled to any more than 50%

The owners may be willing to suffer a loss to keep their product in front of their fans, but only to a certain point. The players may feel they already made concessions by agreeing to play for reduced payments on their contracts, but they’re still wanting to be paid more than their 50% share of the revenues. They're also claiming that they deserve to be paid for games they're not playing as well.

Players will have to agree to pro-rate or there won't be any kind of 2020-2021 season.

- YeOldTimer

Don't the players also have to cover loses by the league as part of that same CBA? No fans in the stands, and loses of revenue also reduce their overall pay.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 3 @ 12:29 PM ET
Actually If you follow JB's trend with expiring contracts, I'll suggest it's a possibility he ends up in CAL.
- VanHockeyGuy

GMJB just ruined you.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 3 @ 12:30 PM ET
As I've been told by some Albertans "We don't care if we get Covid-1984"
- VanHockeyGuy



Just a thought...what if people who are scared of the covid thingy just stay home and people who are aren't just keep going and live their lives as usual?

You know...

Like freedom and all that.



NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Dec 3 @ 12:33 PM ET
Just a thought...what if people who are scared of the covid thingy just stay home and people who are aren't just keep going and live their lives as usual?

You know...

Like freedom and all that.




- LordHumungous

I hope you realize that putting winky faces at the end of all of your messages fools no one
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 3 @ 12:42 PM ET
I hope you realize that putting winky faces at the end of all of your messages fools no one
- NorthNuck

I know there is no fooling you Northy. But it's fun none the less lol
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Dec 3 @ 12:43 PM ET
Saw KISS twice in the 80's (no makeup) Animalize and Asylum tours and they were actually pretty good live. Eric CArr's drum solo was ironically the best I had ever seen and I have seen Neil Peart and Daney Carey multiple times lol.

Then we saw them on the first leg of the reunion tour (1997?) when Ace and Peter re-joined and it wasn't stellar. Theatrics were ok but the music and sound were way off which really hindered the show. Just sounded like white noise

- LordHumungous


Saw Kiss in 78. My baby sitter used me as a mule to smuggle dope into Maple Leaf Gardens.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Dec 3 @ 12:43 PM ET
I was thrown out of ACDC Heatseeker tour back in 88. I was going to rush the floor from the upper deck of BC Place. But its a good drop down so was was hanging off a handrail waiting for security to not be ready. Someone chopped my hands and I fell, right next to a concert cop... dragged by my hair and thrown out. But helped start a riot outside and made BCTV news yelling FRANK YOU PIGS!
Ah to be 15 again....

- carsonagenic



LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 3 @ 12:47 PM ET
Saw Kiss in 78. My baby sitter used me as a mule to smuggle dope into Maple Leaf Gardens.

- boonerbuck

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