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EdmHockeyMan
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Edmonton Oilers
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Nov 26 @ 12:48 PM ET
Yup. I really hope Iā€™m wrong too.
- Wildschwein


HOpefully so.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Nov 26 @ 12:57 PM ET
His 5-on-5 time is about as limited as it can get without straying into ridiculous territory. At that point, you're better icing someone who can play effective 5-on-5 minutes and be a net neutral on the PK. The league is beyond having specialists with limited or negative 5-on-5 ability. We need a 4th line we can rely on to play a good 10 minutes/night unsheltered. Whether that's Neal-Khaira-Chiasson or Nygard-Haas-Archibald doesn't matter to me.

Sean is correct to raise the point that 2nd unit minutes are generally easier as they see fewer def zone starts and thus fewer opportunities for the opposition to start with the zone already established.

- MaximumBone


That's true. Rather have a player that can contribute 5v5 in multiple situations and provide versatility. However, perhaps Khaira can be utilized in his natural position at C? He has mentioned that he is more comfortable as a center as opposed to playing on the wing. I would want to look into the numbers regarding this.

As for 1st vs. 2nd pk unit deployment, your statements may be a general assumption unless there is data to back that up. I assume that the most important aspect of any PK (aside from the obvious system in place) is consistent line changes and fresh legs. As such, 1st and 2nd PK units will still face top opposition at a similar rate. I could be totally wrong about this too though and deployment rates variating between the two units is significantly difference.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Nov 26 @ 1:00 PM ET

Nuge- McDavid- Kassian

Kahun- Draisaitl- Yamamoto

Ennis- Turris- Puljujarvi

.

- MaximumBone


That top 9 will probably look very different by the end of the first month IMO depending on a few factors. One thing for certain is that we have solid secondary depth heading into this season. Gonna be an interesting season for sure.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Nov 26 @ 1:10 PM ET
Nobody knows. A couple years ago the experts were predicting that the Oilers would win the cup and a year after that they miss the playoffs again....and they were completely wrong. The fan should are even dumber. You guys could make 10 predictions about the Oilers and each one has a 50/50 chance of being right.
- HonkyTonkMan


You could apply the same logic to anything though. Why bother investing time into anything then?

What makes anything worthwhile is the discussion and critique of ideas related to something that we deem interesting. That's why we're here.
MaximumBone
Seattle Kraken
Location: Look at how erect McDavid is- BB
Joined: 06.15.2012

Nov 27 @ 4:55 AM ET
That's true. Rather have a player that can contribute 5v5 in multiple situations and provide versatility. However, perhaps Khaira can be utilized in his natural position at C? He has mentioned that he is more comfortable as a center as opposed to playing on the wing. I would want to look into the numbers regarding this.

As for 1st vs. 2nd pk unit deployment, your statements may be a general assumption unless there is data to back that up. I assume that the most important aspect of any PK (aside from the obvious system in place) is consistent line changes and fresh legs. As such, 1st and 2nd PK units will still face top opposition at a similar rate. I could be totally wrong about this too though and deployment rates variating between the two units is significantly difference.

- EdmHockeyMan

My point wasn't a matter of deployment Vs top opposition (though there's an element of that); it was that the 1st unit is more likely to start PKs. This is for a number of reasons including fresher legs from fewer 5-on-5 mins. Also, this initial deployment is more often going to be against the top PP unit (to the point you raised) which means they're likely the best the opponent has at establishing and maintaining offensive pressure. So if you're more likely to:

a.) start the PK (for a variety of reasons), as such,
b.) have conceded the zone by default on a FO loss rather than the opponent having to work to gain it, and
c.) be starting the PK and therefore, be more likely to face the opponent's best offensive players (for maintaining off. zone pressure)

Then it stands to reason that you'll have a harder time and will concede more goals than the unit that more often comes on in relief during play/between icings. To illustrate the basis for my point, here are the # of def. zone faceoffs our main PKers were on-ice for on the PK:

Sheahan 179 (151mins)
Archibald 169 (139mins)
Nuge 56 (106mins)
Khaira 39 (98mins)
Draisaitl 67 (56mins)
Russell 27 (33mins)
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Nov 27 @ 8:49 AM ET
You could apply the same logic to anything though. Why bother investing time into anything then?

What makes anything worthwhile is the discussion and critique of ideas related to something that we deem interesting. That's why we're here.

- EdmHockeyMan

And you consider this worthwhile? šŸ˜‚
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Nov 27 @ 2:00 PM ET
And you consider this worthwhile? šŸ˜‚
- HonkyTonkMan



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