Michael Stuart: Go Islanders!

Yes but Eugene Melnyk owns the Ottawa Senators. Just like the past, he will be unwilling and unable to pay the money necessary to keep top players

2018 Stanley Cup Winners

2004 - Alex Ovechkin - 1st overall
2005 - T.J. Oshie - 24th overall, Matt Niskanen - 28th overall
2006 - Nicklas Backstrom - 4th overall
2007 - Lars Eller - 13th overall
2008 - John Carlson - 27th overall, Braden Holtby - 93rd overall
2009 - Dmitri Orlov - 55th overall
2010 - Brett Connolly 6th overall, Evgeny Kuznetsov - 26th overall, Devante Smith-Pelly - 42nd overall
2012 - Tom Wilson - 16th overall
2013 - Andre Burakovsky - 23rd overall
2014 - Jakub Vrana - 13th overall

2019 Stanley Cup Winners

2002 - Jay Bouwmeester - 3rd overall
2007 - David Perron - 26th overall, Patrick Maroon - 161st overall
2008 - Alex Pietrangelo - 4th overall
2009 - Brayden Schenn -5th overall, Ryan O'Reilly - 33rd overall
2009 - Tyler Bozak (undrafted)
2010 - Jaden Schwartz - 14th overall
2011 - Joel Edmundson - 46th overall, Jordan Binnington - 88th overall
2012 - Oskar Sundqvist - 81st overall, Colton Parayko - 86th overall

2014 - Ivan Barbashev -33rd overall
2015 - Vince Dunn - 56th overall
2017 - Robert Thomas - 20th overall

2024 Stanley Cup Winners

2014 - Andreas Englund - 40th overall
2015 - Thomas Chabot - (18th) Colin White (21st) Filip Chlapik (48th) Christian Wolanin (107th) Joey Daccord (199th)
2016 - Logan Brown (11th)
2017 - Alex Formenton (47th) Drake Batherson (121st)
2018 - Brady Tkachuk (4th) Jacob Bernard-Docker (26th) Jonny Tychonick (48th) Kevin Mandolese (157th)
2019 - Lassi Thomson (19th) Shane Pinto (32nd) Mads Sogaard (37th)
2020 - Tim Stutzle (3rd) Jamie Drysdale (5th)


2023 - 2024 Ottawa Senators

Tim Stutzle - Logan Brown - Drake Batherson
Brady Tkachuk - Colin White - Shane Pinto
Alex Formenton - Josh Norris - Connor Brown?
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Thomas Chabot - Jamie Drysdale?
Erik Brannstrom - Lassi Thomson
Ryan O'Rourke? - Jacob Bernard Docker

Marcus Hogberg?

honestly, 21st would have been nice, but the difference between 21 and 28 in this draft is negligible.......it would have been nice, but it's hardly a crushing blow.

even knowing that pick was in the 28-31 range, i still make that trade every day.

it hurt more losing the potential of that pick being 13 or 14 when the isles won their play-in round series.

Would gladly send 2022 third, should the isles be so lucky. Gotta say JGP has had an immediate impact on our lineup. He’s been well worth the price for us. I love the guy.

A late first and late second still a good return for Pageua.

Although I think picking 28 and 59 is superior to picking 31, 62 + a 3rd in 2022, albeit slightly. Especially if Dorion wants to move up as we suspect.

As much as I'd love to see Pageau win the cup.

Looking at the cup teams and draft positions, it’s hard to give any value to picks outside the first three rounds. Yes every team usually has 1 or 2 guys who were late round picks but the odds of guys having significant careers outside of the first three rounds is less than 7%

Michael, shame on you. Go Lightning!

Enjoy cheering for Pageau. He is an honest who plays hard on every shift. Would love to see him bring the Cup back to Gatineau this summer.

Michael, shame on you. Go Lightning!
- Leafsandbolts

Don't worry - the fan in me is still cheering for TB.

Enjoy cheering for Pageau. He is an honest who plays hard on every shift. Would love to see him bring the Cup back to Gatineau this summer.
- spatso

Yeah, he's been a ton of fun to watch with the Islanders on this run. Wouldn't have expected anything less.

Ottawa never should’ve traded Zibanejad.

We need to be patient with guys like Logan brown, Colin white, Erik brannstrom.

Not throw them in the fire like Lazar or over evaluate like we did with ceci

Looking at the cup teams and draft positions, it’s hard to give any value to picks outside the first three rounds. Yes every team usually has 1 or 2 guys who were late round picks but the odds of guys having significant careers outside of the first three rounds is less than 7%
- Ross77

I can’t see the Islanders beating Tampa Bay but let’s hope so for JGP and the third round pick next year. Realistically the Sens will get the 28th pick which most likely will be included with some second round picks to get a 10-16 first round stud. Dorian with all his draft capital has to end up with as many top end players as possible. This will speed up the rebuild verses doing nothing and hope quantity is better than quality.

Ottawa never should’ve traded Zibanejad.

We need to be patient with guys like Logan brown, Colin white, Erik brannstrom.

Not throw them in the fire like Lazar or over evaluate like we did with ceci
- AlfieisKing

I agree 100% about Zibanejad, he was a number 6 pick who was really progressing well. In regards to Logan Brown and Colin White this is a different matter, both were drafter lower than Zibanejad which is reflected in their play. I personally feel they are third line players but I hope I am wrong. Neither one of these players right now are close to Nick Paul who seems to be the forgotten player. If he got the ice time these guys got then he would get the recognition he deserves. As mentioned before Nick Paul has come a long way from what he was when we got him in the Spezza trade.

As a Sens fan i will gladly cheer for Pageau and his Islanders. With our team not playing at least we have former Sens on almost every other team in the nhl to root for. Imagine if we kept them. Holy poop, the Sens would be a super power.
As far as the Islanders pick, Dorion is likely to pick off the board at that point anyway.

As a Sens fan i will gladly cheer for Pageau and his Islanders. With our team not playing at least we have former Sens on almost every other team in the nhl to root for. Imagine if we kept them. Holy poop, the Sens would be a super power.
As far as the Islanders pick, Dorion is likely to pick off the board at that point anyway.
- Jp11

Agreed!! I don't care about that pic as much as I want to see Pageau win the cup!!

With our team not playing at least we have former Sens on almost every other team in the nhl to root for. Imagine if we kept them. Holy poop, the Sens would be a super power.
- Jp11

It's fun to see some of these guys doing well, but even selectively picking only the best players, it's really that much of a super power... in fact, most of the players on the list were traded away in the past 2 years (i.e. goalies aside, you're basically describing the team from 3 years ago).

C - Duchene, Zibanead, Pageau
W - Stone, Hoffman, Dzingel
D - Karlsson, Ceci
G - Bishop, Lehner

Not to mention that they would cost over $50M/yr between them (before considering raises for Hoffman, Pageau, and Lehner), and the fact that they were actually a far better team with Turris instead of Duchene. And there's a reasonable chance they could actually just sign Lehner as a UFA, which is something I'd be supportive of provided it wasn't for more than maybe 4yrs.

Bit of a stinger seeing the Isles pick drop so low. Sens 1st rounders really turned into one of the worst scenarios considering the odds of everything once the pandemic hit. The scouts will need to work that much harder to get the right guys.

It's fun to see some of these guys doing well, but even selectively picking only the best players, it's really that much of a super power... in fact, most of the players on the list were traded away in the past 2 years (i.e. goalies aside, you're basically describing the team from 3 years ago).

C - Duchene, Zibanead, Pageau
W - Stone, Hoffman, Dzingel
D - Karlsson, Ceci
G - Bishop, Lehner

Not to mention that they would cost over $50M/yr between them (before considering raises for Hoffman, Pageau, and Lehner), and the fact that they were actually a far better team with Turris instead of Duchene. And there's a reasonable chance they could actually just sign Lehner as a UFA, which is something I'd be supportive of provided it wasn't for more than maybe 4yrs.
- khawk

It would be interesting to see someone do some number crunching on former players being legitimate contributors to new teams. I feel Ottawa would be right up there. Say what you want about cap, skill, etc. That collection of players is quite good considering they were moved. I don't think many other teams have had that level of talent moved out. From an outsider view, you would kind of look at that and assume Ottawa would have a great roster because they had to move someone to retain others, but here we are.

I agree 100% about Zibanejad, he was a number 6 pick who was really progressing well. In regards to Logan Brown and Colin White this is a different matter, both were drafter lower than Zibanejad which is reflected in their play. I personally feel they are third line players but I hope I am wrong. Neither one of these players right now are close to Nick Paul who seems to be the forgotten player. If he got the ice time these guys got then he would get the recognition he deserves. As mentioned before Nick Paul has come a long way from what he was when we got him in the Spezza trade.
- Barrykerr1

I hear you.
Nick Paul point is one I don’t think of enough. He has done a good job but my concern is (maybe not concern more or a thought) that he was playing on team that didn’t really have a lot of young competition - or as much as they will have now. With Norris, Brown, Batherson, Stutzle/Byfield, then the other top 5 pick, guys like balcers, chlapik, Abramov and others, how effective will he be? This is not mentioning the vets in Ryan, Tierney, Hawlchyk or whatever his spl is. That said, case could be said he is better then half of those guys come December.

Quick point in Logan Brown and Colin white. Logan brown has a very high ceiling. When they traded a 3rd rounder in 2016 to move up 1 spot to #11 it was because many thought Logan brown could and would go higher. That said he hasn’t found his stride both due to injuries and an ability to hit his stride. That was a similar case with Zibanejad. Logan brown’s vision and size is extremely rare. Right now I would be patient and develop him the right way. White on the other hand just got his big contract. He has the sandpaper and mentality to be a strong 2nd/3rd like center with shutdown capability. He’s already added size this summer as he was supposed to. I’m more confident in White marching where he’s supposed to be than Logan brown.

*again you may be right about brown being a bust, that’s why he’s such an X factor. My x factors in the past were Cowen, Zibanejad, and Lazar. Now it’s Logan brown and Erik brqnnstrom

It's fun to see some of these guys doing well, but even selectively picking only the best players, it's really that much of a super power... in fact, most of the players on the list were traded away in the past 2 years (i.e. goalies aside, you're basically describing the team from 3 years ago).

C - Duchene, Zibanead, Pageau
W - Stone, Hoffman, Dzingel
D - Karlsson, Ceci
G - Bishop, Lehner

Not to mention that they would cost over $50M/yr between them (before considering raises for Hoffman, Pageau, and Lehner), and the fact that they were actually a far better team with Turris instead of Duchene. And there's a reasonable chance they could actually just sign Lehner as a UFA, which is something I'd be supportive of provided it wasn't for more than maybe 4yrs.
- khawk

I would love to see Lehner return to Ottawa but it is not likely to happen. I rank him as the top unrestricted goalie free agent who should get a long term contract this time around. Ottawa is a few years away from locking up a 29 year old goaltender.

I hear you.
Nick Paul point is one I don’t think of enough. He has done a good job but my concern is (maybe not concern more or a thought) that he was playing on team that didn’t really have a lot of young competition - or as much as they will have now. With Norris, Brown, Batherson, Stutzle/Byfield, then the other top 5 pick, guys like balcers, chlapik, Abramov and others, how effective will he be? This is not mentioning the vets in Ryan, Tierney, Hawlchyk or whatever his spl is. That said, case could be said he is better then half of those guys come December.

Quick point in Logan Brown and Colin white. Logan brown has a very high ceiling. When they traded a 3rd rounder in 2016 to move up 1 spot to #11 it was because many thought Logan brown could and would go higher. That said he hasn’t found his stride both due to injuries and an ability to hit his stride. That was a similar case with Zibanejad. Logan brown’s vision and size is extremely rare. Right now I would be patient and develop him the right way. White on the other hand just got his big contract. He has the sandpaper and mentality to be a strong 2nd/3rd like center with shutdown capability. He’s already added size this summer as he was supposed to. I’m more confident in White marching where he’s supposed to be than Logan brown.

*again you may be right about brown being a bust, that’s why he’s such an X factor. My x factors in the past were Cowen, Zibanejad, and Lazar. Now it’s Logan brown and Erik brqnnstrom
- AlfieisKing

Cowan was a risky pick due to his knee problems. His stock fell because of it but Ottawa jumped and picked Cowan at 6. Big mistake! Zibanejad was a hero for Team Sweden when he scored the winning goal in overtime. His first few years with Ottawa were middling, I read that some of their scouts apologized to Dorian later on. His last season with the Senators was good, he was becoming a star with the team. He was traded too soon!
Curtis Lazar was a surprise pick at 17, I can still recall one of the commentators on tv saying the Senators will probably choose Anthony Mantha, I bet the Sens wish they had now!

In regards to Logan Brown his progress will depend on who his line mates are. Fast young guys would help him, Bobby Ryan wouldn’t, too slow.

I think it is too early to worry about Eric Brannstrom. He is still considered an elite prospect. We will have a better idea about him if he makes the Senators out of training camp.

Cowan was a risky pick due to his knee problems. His stock fell because of it but Ottawa jumped and picked Cowan at 6. Big mistake! Zibanejad was a hero for Team Sweden when he scored the winning goal in overtime. His first few years with Ottawa were middling, I read that some of their scouts apologized to Dorian later on. His last season with the Senators was good, he was becoming a star with the team. He was traded too soon!
Curtis Lazar was a surprise pick at 17, I can still recall one of the commentators on tv saying the Senators will probably choose Anthony Mantha, I bet the Sens wish they had now!

Zibanejad was a mistake to trade wish he was still a Sens

In regards to Logan Brown his progress will depend on who his line mates are. Fast young guys would help him, Bobby Ryan wouldn’t, too slow.

Paul L.Brown Brown

Logan Brown needs
2 good Defence Awareness wingers to help him become a good center

I think it is too early to worry about Eric Brannstrom. He is still considered an elite prospect. We will have a better idea about him if he makes the Senators out of training camp.
- Barrykerr1

Brannstrom will take time no rush he will be a decent player just like Lassie and Thompson 🤙