As a secondary thought. I read an article how Malkin was seconds away from almost being traded last offseason. Due to being upset with the team and essentially multiple organizational people and players talked him off the ledge to stay with the Pens. I guess part of it was over wanting to be the main guy, and his frustration.

So the rumored trade to Florida almost happened. I wonder with Gonchar being gone, and our quick departure from the playoffs, if he goes off that he wants to be elsewhere again?

Pretty sure they wouldn't trade any of them. They might be interested in Murray but I doubt they pay very much for him. I'd say his value tops out at a 3rd. I wouldn't want anyone else on their roster besides the three you mention. They truly are putrid.

Edit: I should say, I don't know anything about their prospects, so some of them might be and probably are good, but I'm sure they're not getting rid of them, either.
- Hockey66

Yea I know nothing of their pipeline either haha, if it's not good that's (frank)ing terrible for them haha

Bertuzzi is exactly the type of player the Pens need to be pursuing. He would lay down and die to get out of the bubble.
- Grinder47

Yea I like him a lot, real good player

As a secondary thought. I read an article how Malkin was seconds away from almost being traded last offseason. Due to being upset with the team and essentially multiple organizational people and players talked him off the ledge to stay with the Pens. I guess part of it was over wanting to be the main guy, and his frustration.

So the rumored trade to Florida almost happened. I wonder with Gonchar being gone, and our quick departure from the playoffs, if he goes off that he wants to be elsewhere again?
- 123Kid

That was probably made up to make some off-season buzz, this year will be Letang lol

That was probably made up to make some off-season buzz, this year will be Letang lol
- 668710

Yeah I agree with this. The Letang buzz is already starting on rumor sites.

Idk what this team needs to do to shake things up and get some energy. I feel as if players intermittently take games off

I've read the NHL won't start a season until fans can be in the seats 'cause it's such a gate driven sport.

Anybody think fans will be packing the seats in December or January? Me neither.
- madmike71

That makes sense and nope, I don't. I don't think live events will return until theres a vaccine.

According to Yohe, the coaching staff is pleased with JJ. FFS.
- madmike71

Coaching staff? what staff? Its just Sully right now.

All the assistant coaches being fired and not Sully is actually insane. I dont like Gonch getting the axe like that. He's still close with the core, especially Geno.

From the Athletic today. They did a big piece breaking down what went wrong that's definitely worth the read:

An NHL executive said, “Sullivan is a great coach but he likes being surrounded by yes men. All three of those guys had those low-key personalities. That doesn’t always work. They need someone like (Rick) Tocchet, someone who will challenge Sully. That would be best for Sully and the Penguins.”

In today's news, confused elderly man yells into clouds.
- Murphy_Dump

I prefer the "The Penguins won, but I'm not happy because they would have won better if they had done everything I said," types of posts.

This from the same article if true could be trouble (other than maybe moves JJ). It's both Rossi and Yohe on this BTW:

The Penguins, for the first time since 2007, likely will not spend near the salary cap to start the upcoming season, according to multiple team and league sources.

Revenue is down, in part because of early playoff exits and in part because of the COVID-19 pandemic, and ownership believes cost-cutting measures are reasonable at this time. Rutherford would be permitted to spend to the cap in-season if ownership was convinced the club was a piece or two away from a deep playoff run, team and industry sources said.

“They’re a revenue-based ownership. They spend what they make,” an industry source said. “Maybe it’s not the best thing to count on playoff home games, but they do, so nobody should be surprised if things tighten there.”

The Penguins have 16 players with guaranteed roster spots who count $68.2 million against an $81.5 million cap. But multiple team and league sources said the Penguins will look to spend in the low- to mid-$70 million range to start next season. To get there, the team will seek trades of multiple veterans, especially because ownership favors those moves over buyouts.

This from the same article if true could be trouble (other than maybe moves JJ). It's both Rossi and Yohe on this BTW:

The Penguins, for the first time since 2007, likely will not spend near the salary cap to start the upcoming season, according to multiple team and league sources.

Revenue is down, in part because of early playoff exits and in part because of the COVID-19 pandemic, and ownership believes cost-cutting measures are reasonable at this time. Rutherford would be permitted to spend to the cap in-season if ownership was convinced the club was a piece or two away from a deep playoff run, team and industry sources said.

“They’re a revenue-based ownership. They spend what they make,” an industry source said. “Maybe it’s not the best thing to count on playoff home games, but they do, so nobody should be surprised if things tighten there.”

The Penguins have 16 players with guaranteed roster spots who count $68.2 million against an $81.5 million cap. But multiple team and league sources said the Penguins will look to spend in the low- to mid-$70 million range to start next season. To get there, the team will seek trades of multiple veterans, especially because ownership favors those moves over buyouts.
- Tojo.

Its easy to think the worst of this but maybe this forces them to inject a lot of youth into the roster which could end up paying off around the older core. The thing is if this is the route the Pens are taking, getting much younger, then I'd prefer someone not so old at the helm to oversee it.

EDIT: Older core to me is only Sid, Geno and Tanger. The rest can go.

EDIT 2: If theres going to be a lot of number crunching and cap knowledge required perhaps JR should bring back in Botts...

I think it's going to be hard for teams to make moves in general because of the financial situation, not to mention free agents getting what they want. I said a while back I believe we'll see a lot of free agents take one to two year bridge deals at modest salaries.

Its easy to think the worst of this but maybe this forces them to inject a lot of youth into the roster which could end up paying off around the older core. The thing is if this is the route the Pens are taking, getting much younger, then I'd prefer someone not so old at the helm to oversee it.

EDIT: Older core to me is only Sid, Geno and Tanger. The rest can go.

EDIT 2: If theres going to be a lot of number crunching and cap knowledge required perhaps JR should bring back in Botts...
- MattStrat

I think in general because of the cap and revenue issues that it's going to be difficult for teams in general to make significant trades. I think the teams that will benefit will be the few bottom feeding teams because they can now ask an even bigger premium for taking on crap contracts.

Very good article on McCann

https://thesportsdaily.co...inger-or-trade-bait-p1b1/

You make a good point about having a couple of old dudes on that line.

I am hesitant to trade Horny because he is literally the only net-front guy we have. We would become even more of a perimeter team without him which is something I don't even want to think about.
- Hockey66

I tend to agree. Age and contract be damned. I dont see how we can trade him without a similar replacement. He was literally the only reason we came close to scoring on Price.

Theres just not many guys like him. Simmonds is cooked. Other net front type of players arent available (Lee, Gallagher, etc) so I think you just ride it out with Horny. He had a pretty dang good year still.

Very good article on McCann

https://thesportsdaily.co...inger-or-trade-bait-p1b1/
- Rinosaur

I definitely want to keep him. That 3rd line had a very cooked well done Marleau on it and a medium rare Horny. McCann the one that gets scratched. Rod should of went on that line and Marleau scratched.

I think it's going to be hard for teams to make moves in general because of the financial situation, not to mention free agents getting what they want. I said a while back I believe we'll see a lot of free agents take one to two year bridge deals at modest salaries.
- Rinosaur

Yeah, thia off-season will be very different. Lots of teams feeling the crunch. UFAs will feel it. And moving salary will be brutal.

Very good article on McCann

https://thesportsdaily.co...inger-or-trade-bait-p1b1/
- Rinosaur

Good article. I would keep him. He's young, cheap, fast and still has potential given the right role and teammates.

I saw a proposal of McCann for Montour or Jokiharju which I could see making some sense too. Major upgrade on bottom pair and should help on PP.

On that note, even with Botterill gone, Buffalo could be a good trade partner in general because they could be interested in Murray too.

Yeah I didn't really want any older players but hindsight he would have been a good pickup. His underlying numbers were much better when he left LA. Probably not the PP answer.
- Tojo.

See I look at that game 1 OT loss to the Habs with 7 missed PP opportunities and think with the Pens PP setup (personnel) its not far fetched to think they would of converted one time with him in Phils old spot. If they had, they most likely win that game.

See I look at that game 1 OT loss to the Habs with 7 missed PP opportunities and think with the Pens PP setup (personnel) its not far fetched to think they would of converted one time with him in Phils old spot. If they had, they most likely win that game.
- MattStrat

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- jmatchett383

Sorry your excellence. We've been over this before though. Old habits die hard.

I tend to agree. Age and contract be damned. I dont see how we can trade him without a similar replacement. He was literally the only reason we came close to scoring on Price.

Theres just not many guys like him. Simmonds is cooked. Other net front type of players arent available (Lee, Gallagher, etc) so I think you just ride it out with Horny. He had a pretty dang good year still.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree in a way that they should try to replace him, but I kinda feel like he is a one trick pony and his speed has limited him. I think our problem was during the season everyone crashed the net and worked hard. Then during the series everyone just seemed to lack effort and no one wanted to stand in front of the net. Most of the season I believe I saw most of our team willing to pay the price and stand as a net front presence.

I think 5 million for a 3rd line player who is only a net front type I believe makes him somewhat expendable. Especially since he is showing signs of decline and still has a few more years left on his deal. He makes the most sense to move out for cap space.

I would try to see if we could grab someone like Greenway from Mini if possible. Younger, not a big cap hit, and could replace some of his net front presence

Sorry your excellence. We've been over this before though. Old habits die hard.
- MattStrat

No biggie, just busting your vajayjay

No biggie, just busting your vajayjay
- jmatchett383

hahaha

As a secondary thought. I read an article how Malkin was seconds away from almost being traded last offseason. Due to being upset with the team and essentially multiple organizational people and players talked him off the ledge to stay with the Pens. I guess part of it was over wanting to be the main guy, and his frustration.

So the rumored trade to Florida almost happened. I wonder with Gonchar being gone, and our quick departure from the playoffs, if he goes off that he wants to be elsewhere again?
- 123Kid

Link to the article?