Is the 20/21 season supposed to be an abbreviated season?
- Rinosaur

I believe it's still supposed to be 82. Lots of B2B's if true. Even if they extend the regular season through April.

Is the 20/21 season supposed to be an abbreviated season?
- Rinosaur

I've read the NHL won't start a season until fans can be in the seats 'cause it's such a gate driven sport.

Anybody think fans will be packing the seats in December or January? Me neither.

I've read the NHL won't start a season until fans can be in the seats 'cause it's such a gate driven sport.

Anybody think fans will be packing the seats in December or January? Me neither.
- madmike71

I didn't see that one. That would suck.

I've read the NHL won't start a season until fans can be in the seats 'cause it's such a gate driven sport.

Anybody think fans will be packing the seats in December or January? Me neither.
- madmike71

Not in the USA. The current Covid virus champion of death and destruction.

Wow. How are you really feeling Ryan? How has that pathetic man been in the game this long? They ran into a hot goaltender. It happens

It was, maybe still is, hard to have a nuanced conversation about Kessel on this board. I think both are PP specialists unsuited to top 6 duty at this stage of their careers and they could only keep one. Despite perception, Hornqvist is more valuable. The PP with Kessel went from 11.53 goals per 60 with Hornqvist to 6.72 without. It was 9.9 when Hornqvist played without Phil, but small sample. Over a 3 year sample, it's more extreme.

That said, could you talk me into moving Hornqvist, sure, but if they don't replace his net front, I have no hope for the PP. They need a better long-term solution than Jake there regardless.

But at least Hornqvist can still score 5v5. Phil can't. But yeah, he needs the other to guys to drive the line and handle transition for him particularly at his age.
- Tojo.

We should have more than enough skill to score on the pp as is. A new coach is needed, and obvi now on the way. Hopefully he’s a good one.

According to Yohe, the coaching staff is pleased with JJ. FFS.
- madmike71

Fortunately 3/4 of them are gone haha

Fortunately 3/4 of them are gone haha
- 10inchTerror

Well the main guy is still here. Hopefully the new assistant coaches be like da fuq you even dressing JJ for

Wow, COL with a 40-14 SOG advantage over ARI. Scoreless tie until 6:55 left in the 3rd. Then 3 goals in 1:18.

Well the main guy is still here. Hopefully the new assistant coaches be like da fuq you even dressing JJ for
- 668710

Exactly. The guy who’s calling most of/all the shots is still here. Bullshït

Holy hell, I was just looking up UFAs and (frank)ing Nathan Horton and David Clarkson from Toronto are finally off the books for them, Jesus. The last year Horton played was 2013.....

Wow, COL with a 40-14 SOG advantage over ARI. Scoreless tie until 6:55 left in the 3rd. Then 3 goals in 1:18.
- Hockey66

Yea Kuemp kept Zona in that one, he was great till the end they finally broke him.

Do the red wings need a goalie? Anyway the pens could get Bertuzzi out of Detroit for Murray and/or a 1st?

Do the red wings need a goalie? Anyway the pens could get Bertuzzi out of Detroit for Murray and/or a 1st?
- drummer829

I'd like to have Bertuzzi, don't know what their future looks like in the next few years. I guess Feds has been banned again, he's not around to answer haha. Anyways if they aren't gonna be competitive for a few years they may as well trade those younger guys for picks.

Wow was just looking at Detroits roster, they are (frank)ing putrid. Literally Bertuzzi, Mantha and Larkin look to be their best players. I'd take Bertuzzi or Mantha. I'd probably dangle the #15 their way for one of them.

It's hard to evaluate Murray's value in a trade given so many variables are unknown. We dont know how many teams are looking for a goalie (I can think of at least half a dozen), how many other goalies will be on the market, and what Murray is looking for in a new deal.

If a lot of teams are looking for a goalie and Murray is one of the few solid goalies available... I could easily see a team pay a decent young roster player to get him. Teams like Colorado stickout.

I dont like the idea of using a valuable trade chip just to dump a contract like Johnson. If you want to get rid of Johnson, buy him out or bury him. We cannot afford, as a low asset franchise, to be trading good assets just to dump a liability.

Im good keeping either Murray or Jarry. Whatever one can get you the best help via a trade, you take that deal and keep the other one.

It's hard to evaluate Murray's value in a trade given so many variables are unknown. We dont know how many teams are looking for a goalie (I can think of at least half a dozen), how many other goalies will be on the market, and what Murray is looking for in a new deal.

If a lot of teams are looking for a goalie and Murray is one of the few solid goalies available... I could easily see a team pay a decent young roster player to get him. Teams like Colorado stickout.

I dont like the idea of using a valuable trade chip just to dump a contract like Johnson. If you want to get rid of Johnson, buy him out or bury him. We cannot afford, as a low asset franchise, to be trading good assets just to dump a liability.

Im good keeping either Murray or Jarry. Whatever one can get you the best help via a trade, you take that deal and keep the other one.
- SuperHenderson13

I agree, except for the Murray/Jarry thing. Murray will cost more so we must move on from him. It's the same situation as Fleury/Murray. I'd trade JJ and 5th for a 7th all day though lol

I'd like to have Bertuzzi, don't know what their future looks like in the next few years. I guess Feds has been banned again, he's not around to answer haha. Anyways if they aren't gonna be competitive for a few years they may as well trade those younger guys for picks.
- 668710

Feds would just overvalue anything in Detroit and undervalue anything in Pitt

It's hard to evaluate Murray's value in a trade given so many variables are unknown. We dont know how many teams are looking for a goalie (I can think of at least half a dozen), how many other goalies will be on the market, and what Murray is looking for in a new deal.

If a lot of teams are looking for a goalie and Murray is one of the few solid goalies available... I could easily see a team pay a decent young roster player to get him. Teams like Colorado stickout.

I dont like the idea of using a valuable trade chip just to dump a contract like Johnson. If you want to get rid of Johnson, buy him out or bury him. We cannot afford, as a low asset franchise, to be trading good assets just to dump a liability.

Im good keeping either Murray or Jarry. Whatever one can get you the best help via a trade, you take that deal and keep the other one.
- SuperHenderson13

Here's a list of the FA goalies this year:

https://www.capfriendly.c...s/2021/Sv/all/goalies/ufa

Not great. But Murray's .899 this season would put him at 12 on that list, although he's definitely the youngest.

I agree about JJ.

Have to keep Jarry at this point. The last 3 years have made that clear.

I have wanted the Pens to get Lehner in the past and I hope they still do. Him and Jarry would be a great tandem. You know, Khudobin has been really good the past couple of years even if he is 34 now.

Wow was just looking at Detroits roster, they are (frank)ing putrid. Literally Bertuzzi, Mantha and Larkin look to be their best players. I'd take Bertuzzi or Mantha. I'd probably dangle the #15 their way for one of them.
- 668710

Pretty sure they wouldn't trade any of them. They might be interested in Murray but I doubt they pay very much for him. I'd say his value tops out at a 3rd. I wouldn't want anyone else on their roster besides the three you mention. They truly are putrid.

Edit: I should say, I don't know anything about their prospects, so some of them might be and probably are good, but I'm sure they're not getting rid of them, either.

I knew Ryan’s feelings were going to be hurt when I listened to Rutherford speak and man was I right.

Wow was just looking at Detroits roster, they are (frank)ing putrid. Literally Bertuzzi, Mantha and Larkin look to be their best players. I'd take Bertuzzi or Mantha. I'd probably dangle the #15 their way for one of them.
- 668710

Bertuzzi is exactly the type of player the Pens need to be pursuing. He would lay down and die to get out of the bubble.

Bertuzzi is exactly the type of player the Pens need to be pursuing. He would lay down and die to get out of the bubble.
- Grinder47

What would you be willing to give? What does Detroit need that we can offer?

Would love Mantha or Larkin from Detroit but I dont see either getting traded. Detroit is rebuilding but those two are still young and talented.

Imagine bringing in Larkin as the 3C...

15th, Murray and a mid level prospect? Not sure what it takes or if it totally makes sense.

Pretty sure they wouldn't trade any of them. They might be interested in Murray but I doubt they pay very much for him. I'd say his value tops out at a 3rd. I wouldn't want anyone else on their roster besides the three you mention. They truly are putrid.

Edit: I should say, I don't know anything about their prospects, so some of them might be and probably are good, but I'm sure they're not getting rid of them, either.
- Hockey66

With his age and pedigree. He should net us a late 1st or 2nd round pick. The second round pick would be more so if they try to package out JJ or Bjudstad.

I have heard some Edmonton fans proposing Nurse for Murray. Which I am definitely not opposed to.

Some reports out of Toronto is Nylander might be shopped for D help.