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Mike Augello
Commissioner
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.25.2006

Aug 5 @ 9:12 AM ET
Mike Augello: Muzzin injury casts pall on Leafs victory in Game 2
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 5 @ 9:15 AM ET
Muzzin’s family has asked that donations be sent to the Max Never Wrong Foundation in lieu of flowers.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 5 @ 9:18 AM ET
Something, something, Lou screwed the Isles, something, something, Bobrovsky, something, something, Dubas is the best.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 5 @ 9:25 AM ET
Something, something, Lou screwed the Isles, something, something, Bobrovsky, something, something, Dubas is the best.
- AdamFrench


Something something trade marner something something Habs suck something something beer oclock.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 5 @ 9:25 AM ET
Muzzin’s family has asked that donations be sent to the Max Never Wrong Foundation in lieu of flowers.
- Canada Cup

Leaf fans anxiously await Max's medically informed diagnosis of Jake Muzzin entering Game 3.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 5 @ 9:25 AM ET
Something something trade marner something something bad trades for sake of trades something something beer oclock.
- systemtool

Heading to the pool this afternoon for some beer o'clock. Gonna be great. Beautiful weather out there.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Aug 5 @ 9:28 AM ET
Heading to the pool this afternoon for some beer o'clock. Gonna be great. Beautiful weather out there.
- AdamFrench



Awesome..cheers mate. I'm just gonna suffer at work. Not trying to brag or anything.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 5 @ 9:30 AM ET
Awesome..cheers mate. I'm just gonna suffer at work. Not trying to brag or anything.
- systemtool

Helping my parents try to find their retirement home in Midland. Going to be interesting, my mother wants "the unicorn." *sigh*
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Aug 5 @ 9:31 AM ET
It was a crosscheck.

The thing is that same play happens all the time and league has chosen to let it go in all but the most egregious violations.

This isn't on Dubois. It is on the refs, and therefore the league, for the ridiculous way penalty calls are made. On the other side of the ledger, Kyle Clifford definitely deserved a penalty for the hit he threw early in the game.

A penalty decision should be easy. Was there an infraction? Yes? then call a penalty.

Unfortunately the NHL's system of officiating brings into play a whole host of other factors including the score, the time of the game, how many calls have been made against each team, player's reputation, player's value to the team, Team's reputation, playoffs or non-playoffs, how much the coach argued earlier and probably a few more things that should not be considered.

The whole thing is ridiculous, but this isn't on Dubois.
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 5 @ 9:34 AM ET
It was a crosscheck.

The thing is that same play happens all the time and league has chosen to let it go in all but the most egregious violations.

This isn't on Dubois. It is on the refs, and therefore the league, for the ridiculous way penalty calls are made. On the other side of the ledger, Kyle Clifford definitely deserved a penalty for the hit he threw early in the game.

A penalty decision should be easy. Was there an infraction? Yes? then call a penalty.

Unfortunately the NHL's system of officiating brings into play a whole host of other factors including the score, the time of the game, how many calls have been made against each team, player's reputation, player's value to the team, Team's reputation, playoffs or non-playoffs, how much the coach argued earlier and probably a few more things that should not be considered.

The whole thing is ridiculous, but this isn't on Dubois.

- Aetherial
once they release the body Cam footage, the truth will be much more apparent on the whole situation
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 5 @ 9:37 AM ET
It was a crosscheck.

The thing is that same play happens all the time and league has chosen to let it go in all but the most egregious violations.

This isn't on Dubois. It is on the refs, and therefore the league, for the ridiculous way penalty calls are made. On the other side of the ledger, Kyle Clifford definitely deserved a penalty for the hit he threw early in the game.

A penalty decision should be easy. Was there an infraction? Yes? then call a penalty.

Unfortunately the NHL's system of officiating brings into play a whole host of other factors including the score, the time of the game, how many calls have been made against each team, player's reputation, player's value to the team, Team's reputation, playoffs or non-playoffs, how much the coach argued earlier and probably a few more things that should not be considered.

The whole thing is ridiculous, but this isn't on Dubois.

- Aetherial


I agree its not on the players. earlier in the game, torts and dubois got into it a bit...have to think he was told to play better? tougher? dirtier?

anyways, it worked...the jackets get rewarded by taking out the best defensive D the Leafs have.

has anyone taken a cross check to the back before? how much padding do the players have in that spot? have to think it adds up over seasons/careers.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Aug 5 @ 9:37 AM ET
Muzzin’s family has asked that donations be sent to the Max Never Wrong Foundation in lieu of flowers.
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time for you to go to the retirement home.
it's was a simple observation that they were worried about potential damage to his neck/back and standard precautions were taken to avoid potential further injury to his spinal cord.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 5 @ 9:38 AM ET
It was a crosscheck.

The thing is that same play happens all the time and league has chosen to let it go in all but the most egregious violations.

This isn't on Dubois. It is on the refs, and therefore the league, for the ridiculous way penalty calls are made. On the other side of the ledger, Kyle Clifford definitely deserved a penalty for the hit he threw early in the game.

A penalty decision should be easy. Was there an infraction? Yes? then call a penalty.

Unfortunately the NHL's system of officiating brings into play a whole host of other factors including the score, the time of the game, how many calls have been made against each team, player's reputation, player's value to the team, Team's reputation, playoffs or non-playoffs, how much the coach argued earlier and probably a few more things that should not be considered.

The whole thing is ridiculous, but this isn't on Dubois.

- Aetherial

Refereeing has always been and always will be subjective. I can remember watching playoff games knowing how the game would be called just by who was the ref. Kerry Fraser? One team will always get a PP late in the third period in a tie game.

Paul Stewart? Let everything go for both teams unless a player is killed. Rob Schick? Call everything in the book. Literally. Dunkin' Donut Dan O'Halloran hated the Red Wings because he was once shot in Detroit. So I knew he'd always screw them over which he certainly did.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Aug 5 @ 9:41 AM ET
time for you to go to the retirement home.
it's was a simple observation that they were worried about potential damage to his neck/back and standard precautions were taken to avoid potential further injury to his spinal cord.

- MaximusAurelius


It's obvious that they were cautious about his neck/back. You don't board people for arm injuries.

It's the moronic statements you make such as "50/50 he never plays hockey again" or "best case scenario out 2-3 months" that people take exception with.




bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Aug 5 @ 9:42 AM ET
It was cross check, but not near as bad as the one they let go against Tavares in game one. If a Leaf player pulls that crap it's a penalty all day.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Aug 5 @ 9:43 AM ET
It's obvious that they were cautious about his neck/back. You don't board people for arm injuries.

It's the moronic statements you make such as "50/50 he never plays hockey again" or "best case scenario out 2-3 months" that people take exception with.

- Leafs43



Pretty sure Dr. Max said 6 months.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Aug 5 @ 9:43 AM ET
It was cross check, but not near as bad as the one they let go against Taveras in game one. If a Leaf player pulls that crap it's a penalty all day.
- bobbyisno1

Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Aug 5 @ 9:44 AM ET
It was cross check, but not near as bad as the one they let go against Taveras in game one. If a Leaf player pulls that crap it's a penalty all day.
- bobbyisno1


I find they let cross checking go all the time.

Watch the net front on a power play. The defenseman (sometimes even goalie) are just cross checking the hell out of the forward in front of the net.

MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Aug 5 @ 9:45 AM ET
Pretty sure Dr. Max said 6 months.
- Steven_Seagull


I said timelines on him to get back would be estimated 6months, best case scenario 2-3 months and worst case he's finished his hockey career.
in any case, most important thing is that he recovers his full health - secondary is his hockey career.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 5 @ 9:50 AM ET
I said timelines on him to get back would be estimated 6months, best case scenario 2-3 months and worst case he's finished his hockey career.
in any case, most important thing is that he recovers his full health - secondary is his hockey career.

- MaximusAurelius

drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 5 @ 9:51 AM ET
at the very least he misses two games. Columbus wins both games sans their best defenceman.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Aug 5 @ 9:52 AM ET

- gergeswillems


standard recovery time for a whiplash (would be better than cervical vertebra injury for sure) is already 12 weeks. take away a few weeks from that, and it's still very optimistic to say 2 months.. it's really a very normal estimation of when muzzin could be healthy (and really in reply to the people saying '4 days out because of covid measures').
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Aug 5 @ 9:52 AM ET
time for you to go to the retirement home.
it's was a simple observation that they were worried about potential damage to his neck/back and standard precautions were taken to avoid potential further injury to his spinal cord.

- MaximusAurelius


Yes max that's called first aid, whenever there is the slightest potential for a neck/back injury you ensure you don't further hurt the individual treating them.

That's how you deal with anyone who has that potential ever, from a potential paraplegic to someone with a bruise. It's the same protocol.

It doesn't mean his (frank)ing career might be over. 🤦‍♂️
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 5 @ 9:54 AM ET
at the very least he misses two games. Columbus wins both games sans their best defenceman.
- drexel

It's tough for any team to win when they rarely have the puck. With or without Muzzin, I can't see Columbus winning another game. But we'll see. That's why they play the games.
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 5 @ 9:56 AM ET
It's tough for any team to win when they rarely have the puck. With or without Muzzin, I can't see Columbus winning another game. But we'll see. That's why they play the games.
- gergeswillems

I highly doubt that Columbus doesnt have a much stronger and aggressive game next time out.
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