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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 4 @ 9:48 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Bubble Updates: Raffl, Farabee,
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 4 @ 9:51 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Bubble Updates: Raffl, Farabee,
- bmeltzer



Thanks Bill
backfire
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lancaster, PA
Joined: 08.07.2018

Aug 4 @ 10:21 AM ET
Good stuff Bill. I did not know the University of Texas connection.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 4 @ 10:21 AM ET
Can someone explain to me why kneeling is so disrespectful? In the Kong’s and queens, didn’t you kneel before them? Don’t Men kneel to ask a woman to marry them?

Seriously, who decided kneeling was disrespectful when playing the U.S. national anthem?
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Aug 4 @ 10:35 AM ET
Love the insight into the club’s history, good stuff, thanks Bill. I didn’t know about the chosen color either. But I love it!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 4 @ 10:39 AM ET
Can someone explain to me why kneeling is so disrespectful? In the Kong’s and queens, didn’t you kneel before them? Don’t Men kneel to ask a woman to marry them?

Seriously, who decided kneeling was disrespectful when playing the U.S. national anthem?

- SuperSchennBros


I never saw it as disrespectful,personally. The idea (as I understand it) is that you are supposed to stand (even in grade school) as a sign of respect for the flag/country. So deliberately NOT standing is seen by some as disrespectful. I don't necessarily agree, but that's the rationale I believe is the issue.

As for the people who say it's disrespectful to the troops, I've asked 2 former Marines their views on it. They said that, while they don't necessarily agree with it (this was when Kaepernick first did it), they support their right to do it, which is part of why they fought for this country.

I really liked what Reaves said, that it wasn't about politics, it was about basic human rights. I think that putting it in those terms drives the point home much better than anyone who is doing things to make a political statement.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Aug 4 @ 10:52 AM ET
I never saw it as disrespectful,personally. The idea is that you are supposed to stand (even in grade school) as a sign of respect fore the flag/country. So deliberately NOT standing is seen by some as disrespectful. I don't necessarily agree, but that's the rationale I believe is the issue.

As for the people who say it's disrespectful to the troops, I've asked 2 former Marines their views on it. They said that, while they don't necessarily agree with it (this was when Kaepernick first did it), they support their right to do it, which is part of why they fought for this country.

I really liked what Reaves said, that it wasn't about politics, it was about basic human rights. I think that putting it in those terms drives the point home much better than anyone who is doing things to make a political statement.

- jmatchett383


Very well stated. As a whole, we need to return to the civility of "I may not agree with your opinion, but I will defend your right to express it". I am ex-Soviet, I had an amazing sense of freedom when I had arrived. I would urge everyone not to take it for granted.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 4 @ 10:53 AM ET
Can someone explain to me why kneeling is so disrespectful? In the Kong’s and queens, didn’t you kneel before them? Don’t Men kneel to ask a woman to marry them?

Seriously, who decided kneeling was disrespectful when playing the U.S. national anthem?

- SuperSchennBros


It’s not.

Changing a tradition for a valid reason is part of history. Not being legalistic about the reasonable expression of freedom or a protest of injustice is an example of free speech.

https://www.smithsonianma...ok-like-a-nazi-180960100/

https://www.nytimes.com/2...them-kneeling-sports.html
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 4 @ 10:54 AM ET
Very well stated. As a whole, we need to return to the civility of "I may not agree with your opinion, but I will defend your right to express it". I am ex-Soviet, I had an amazing sense of freedom when I had arrived. I would urge everyone not to take it for granted.
- missingmike

Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:00 AM ET
Good stuff Bill. I did not know the University of Texas connection.
- backfire


neither did I. After all these years following the team I love learning new snippets like that. I guess I'm also a U of T fan now haha
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:02 AM ET
Very well stated. As a whole, we need to return to the civility of "I may not agree with your opinion, but I will defend your right to express it". I am ex-Soviet, I had an amazing sense of freedom when I had arrived. I would urge everyone not to take it for granted.
- missingmike


Agreed on all counts. I serve in the Canadian Armed forces and while I don't agree with not standing for our National Anthems, I agree with everyone's right to do so.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Aug 4 @ 11:10 AM ET
I never saw it as disrespectful,personally. The idea (as I understand it) is that you are supposed to stand (even in grade school) as a sign of respect for the flag/country. So deliberately NOT standing is seen by some as disrespectful. I don't necessarily agree, but that's the rationale I believe is the issue.

As for the people who say it's disrespectful to the troops, I've asked 2 former Marines their views on it. They said that, while they don't necessarily agree with it (this was when Kaepernick first did it), they support their right to do it, which is part of why they fought for this country.

I really liked what Reaves said, that it wasn't about politics, it was about basic human rights. I think that putting it in those terms drives the point home much better than anyone who is doing things to make a political statement.

- jmatchett383


Personally, I choose to stand when attending an event that involves the national anthem and the American flag. My dad served and I know countless others who have.

I am not against anyone kneeling. I understand why it's done and the message that's intended when kneeling.

I just wish people would understand that folks that kneel and folks that stand can be on the same side and support each other. Seems like a lot of folks forget that.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 4 @ 11:17 AM ET
Personally, I choose to stand when attending an event that involves the national anthem and the American flag. My dad served and I know countless others who have.

I am not against anyone kneeling. I understand why it's done and the message that's intended when kneeling.

I just wish people would understand that folks that kneel and folks that stand can be on the same side and support each other. Seems like a lot of folks forget that.

- mickel25

Ask the kid isaac on Orlando how that went
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:18 AM ET
Hockey is back. Let's not talk about anything political.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 4 @ 11:20 AM ET
Hockey is back. Let's not talk about anything political.
- MJL

Save it for Tanners blog people !
bsw31usa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lindbergh31RIP!!!, PA
Joined: 01.12.2016

Aug 4 @ 11:21 AM ET
Bill when do they announce gametimes? I see Thursdays games are still TBD.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
Bill when do they announce gametimes? I see Thursdays games are still TBD.
- bsw31usa

I’d think it’s contingent on if the rangers series ends tonight.
monty burns
Location: wake forest, NC
Joined: 10.18.2005

Aug 4 @ 11:25 AM ET
Hockey is back. Let's not talk about anything political.
- MJL



agreed
bsw31usa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lindbergh31RIP!!!, PA
Joined: 01.12.2016

Aug 4 @ 11:28 AM ET
Hockey is back. Let's not talk about anything political.
- MJL

Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 4 @ 11:40 AM ET
Obviously you didn’t serve in the military. It is there right to do so but I consider it ignorant to all who sacrificed.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 4 @ 11:44 AM ET
“Let’s not talk about anything political”

See that’s the issue. This is for HUMAN RIGHTS. It’s not politics. Lehner said it best last night along with Reeves. People can’t seem to grasp this was never, ever about politics. Idc who you vote for, at the end of the day Humans deserve equality and the same rights. Blame the media for making this always about politics. That’s all Ill say.

Let’s go Flyers
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 4 @ 11:47 AM ET
Didn’t realize NAK shifts were that limited. But agree I liked his game against Boston. Thought raff started slow but then the second period came on. Alright Joel. Playoff hockey sir.

Anyone else catch when brad s stick went high. He turned but didn’t seem to want anything to do with the kid.
countreeman28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.10.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:54 AM ET


Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 12:00 PM ET
Didn’t realize NAK shifts were that limited. But agree I liked his game against Boston. Thought raff started slow but then the second period came on. Alright Joel. Playoff hockey sir.

Anyone else catch when brad s stick went high. He turned but didn’t seem to want anything to do with the kid.

- Peter Richards


I wonder if the refs saw that. Yea, it wasn't egregious and it was just held there but what if a player suddenly turns? Could easily get under a visor and do some damage. Regardless of force, any intentional raising of the stick towards a players head should be penalized.

PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 4 @ 12:02 PM ET
“Let’s not talk about anything political”

See that’s the issue. This is for HUMAN RIGHTS. It’s not politics. Lehner said it best last night along with Reeves. People can’t seem to grasp this was never, ever about politics. Idc who you vote for, at the end of the day Humans deserve equality and the same rights. Blame the media for making this always about politics. That’s all Ill say.

Let’s go Flyers

- arichardson22


Well said.

If a political entity: person/legislature/party or even a tradition (like Confederate statues) is incompetent/ignorant/insensitive, a reasoned, fact-based pointing out of these issues should not be seen as political baiting.

I don't have time right now, but later today/tomorrow I will be posting a short summary of some recent developments in the Covid 19 front, just in case its useful to anyone.
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