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Camel
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Sudbury, ON
Joined: 04.25.2009

Jul 24 @ 7:09 AM ET
We are better off with all 4 gone.

5 if you count Botterill

- jcragcrumple

I like Simmons. I think he would be excellent bottom six guy
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 24 @ 7:15 AM ET
on the grier/larsson debate


grier was a better player, before he came to the sabres


IMO larsson is the better player as a sabre



and for the never ending point debate

grier 241 games for the sabres, 23 goals 47 helpers .290 points per game on a higher line

larsson 393 games, 38 goals and 59 helpers .247 points per game
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 24 @ 7:16 AM ET
I like Simmons. I think he would be excellent bottom six guy
- Camel

I loved simmonds 5 years ago

I did not care for the simmonds we got for 7 games
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 24 @ 7:31 AM ET
fauci did gary proud




IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 24 @ 8:00 AM ET
I loved simmonds 5 years ago

I did not care for the simmonds we got for 7 games

- homiedclown


Let ALL the UFA's walk. I'll be pissed if Kerry and Tim offer any one of them a contract.
The prize this year and Next is Cap Space.
Weaponize it. Be aggressive.

They need to get their 2021-3rd back from Rangers. Could they sign and trade Larry or Simmonds for it? That would be the only way I'd sign any of them.
Go get that 3rd back.

Trade Risto, Montour for RWs (Kapanen, Tuch, Anderson, Lebanc, Boesser), add a bit if necessary
Trade Mojo for futures if successful in trades above for RW, use that money to get Dahlin on a long term contract this season instead of waiting for next season.
Offer sheet one of Cirelli, Strome, Domi or another suitable RFA for 2C from Cap challenged teams.
Sign DeMelo or Jan Rutta, or Shattenkirk for 2 year, as 1st pairing partner with Dahlin
Sign Dillon for 2LhD


Too aggressive? Too many moving parts?
BS, they need to sign 10-12 guys anyway...that's only 5 moves.
Gr8daygo
Joined: 04.23.2014

Jul 24 @ 8:04 AM ET
Let ALL the UFA's walk. I'll be pissed if Kerry and Tim offer any one of them a contract.
The prize this year and Next is Cap Space.
Weaponize it. Be aggressive.

They need to get their 2021-3rd back from Rangers. Could they sign and trade Larry or Simmonds for it? That would be the only way I'd sign any of them.
Go get that 3rd back.

Trade Risto, Montour for RWs (Kapanen, Tuch, Anderson, Lebanc, Boesser), add a bit if necessary
Trade Mojo for futures if successful in trades above for RW, use that money to get Dahlin on a long term contract this season instead of waiting for next season.
Offer sheet one of Cirelli, Strome, Domi or another suitable RFA for 2C from Cap challenged teams.
Sign DeMelo or Jan Rutta, or Shattenkirk for 2 year, as 1st pairing partner with Dahlin
Sign Dillon for 2LhD


Too aggressive? Too many moving parts?
BS, they need to sign 10-12 guys anyway...that's only 5 moves.

- IonSabres


What’s your expansion draft plan?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 24 @ 8:10 AM ET
on the grier/larsson debate


grier was a better player, before he came to the sabres


IMO larsson is the better player as a sabre



and for the never ending point debate

grier 241 games for the sabres, 23 goals 47 helpers .290 points per game on a higher line

larsson 393 games, 38 goals and 59 helpers .247 points per game

- homiedclown


05-06 Grier played half a minute less per game than Larsson this year.

He wasn't on a higher line
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 24 @ 8:13 AM ET
What’s your expansion draft plan?
- Gr8daygo


Trade them Mitts and our 2022 1st to take Okposo.
Boom!
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 24 @ 8:14 AM ET
05-06 Grier played half a minute less per game than Larsson this year.

He wasn't on a higher line

- jcragcrumple


Yea, I thought the Log line was our 2nd line and the greatest line in hockey.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 24 @ 8:16 AM ET
05-06 Grier played half a minute less per game than Larsson this year.

He wasn't on a higher line

- jcragcrumple

he was playing with roy and hecht to get the empty net points and drury and either paille or goose 5 on 5


drury alone made his linemates better then girgens and okposo
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 24 @ 8:17 AM ET
Yea, I thought the Log line was our 2nd line and the greatest line in hockey.
- IonSabres

defensive line on a losing team


grier played with drury on a winning team


apples and oranges

kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 24 @ 8:18 AM ET
Trade them Mitts and our 2022 1st to take Okposo.
Boom!

- IonSabres


I'm not giving up that for a team to take Okposo when he'll only have 2 years left on his deal at that point.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 24 @ 8:21 AM ET
griers 4 seasons with sabres

17.29 minutes per game
14.22 minutes per game
15.47 minutes per game
14.24 minutes per game

http://www.espn.com/nhl/p...stats/_/id/325/mike-grier


http://www.espn.com/nhl/p.../id/2593312/johan-larsson

lockport larry got over 15 minutes once, a half a season when injured



IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 24 @ 8:26 AM ET
defensive line on a losing team


grier played with drury on a winning team


apples and oranges

- homiedclown


Here's my beef on the whole Log line...
Granted they maintain possession and there is high value in that in controlling play and therefore reducing Goals against.
They also generate chances and have decent xGF
But none can finish, thus largely wasted opportunity.
They will cost a fair amount that this team needs to redirect to scoring more goals.
Can we get guys for vet minimum to effectively maintain possession at 1/2 or 1/3 the cost.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 24 @ 8:29 AM ET
I'm not giving up that for a team to take Okposo when he'll only have 2 years left on his deal at that point.
- kingcong39


It's alot granted.
In the context of the overall roster build I suggested, that 1st should be a mid 20's selection...it had better be.
I don't have alot of value in Mitts.
If it changes in a year, then adjust accordingly.

$6m can bring in two decent players.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 24 @ 8:30 AM ET
defensive line on a losing team


grier played with drury on a winning team


apples and oranges

- homiedclown


All of our defenders really had average to below average individual statistics this year yet we were a top 7 team in the league for 90% of the year in reducing high danger chances.

The Girgs-Larsson-Okposo line was one of the best analytical lines in all of hockey last year.

We were a strong defensive team due to them eating up those tough minutes against other teams top players, and were a huge reason why we had such a good record on home ice.

Our record on the road was putrid when we couldn’t match them up defensively against other teams top players.

The “Larry’s” May not have hit anybody but ask the opinion of the players that skated 15 minutes a night against them and had zeros across the scoresheet if they were a pain to play against.

The Bills defence may not have forced a turnover or scored on every defensive possession they had but they suffocated opponents and forced three and outs. The “Larry’s” forced three and outs.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 24 @ 8:32 AM ET
he was playing with roy and hecht to get the empty net points and drury and either paille or goose 5 on 5


drury alone made his linemates better then girgens and okposo

- homiedclown


Seems like the people who like the log line want it both ways:

Theyre indispensable, but every time production is brought up, the finger gets pointed at the quality of linemates.

So which is it? Is the line good or not?
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 24 @ 8:32 AM ET
griers 4 seasons with sabres

17.29 minutes per game
14.22 minutes per game
15.47 minutes per game
14.24 minutes per game

http://www.espn.com/nhl/p...stats/_/id/325/mike-grier


http://www.espn.com/nhl/p.../id/2593312/johan-larsson

lockport larry got over 15 minutes once, a half a season when injured

- homiedclown


Larry could play 60 minutes and still produce relatively the same.
He sucks at actually producing offensively.
Alex the Great
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2018

Jul 24 @ 8:38 AM ET
Are they going to protect 4 defensemen in Pietrangelo, Parayko, Faulk, and Dunn?

They're going to expose Faulk 1 year into that massive deal? Maybe banking on Seattle being too smart to take him as their player selection?

In the mock expansion draft The Athletic did on July 2nd, they had Seattle taking, among their 11 total defensemen selected, Brandon Montour, Jake Bean, Julius Honka, MacKenzie Weegar, Jonas Brodin, and Brent Burns.

That would be some starting defense for Seattle.

- kingcong39



We should of gave Seattle our team then just took the expansion team
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 24 @ 8:41 AM ET
Seems like the people who like the log line want it both ways:

Theyre indispensable, but every time production is brought up, the finger gets pointed at the quality of linemates.

So which is it? Is the line good or not?

- jcragcrumple

over used line IMO by default


dave hanan and wayne presley probably got 7 or 8 minutes even strength and pk duty


IMO they were the perfect shutdown guys


in a cap era, any line with okposo is overused

one thing for sure, in the last 2 years grier played for the sabres and the last 4 years larsson played for the sabres, I never expected the team to score a goal
Alex the Great
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2018

Jul 24 @ 8:42 AM ET
All of our defenders really had average to below average individual statistics this year yet we were a top 7 team in the league for 90% of the year in reducing high danger chances.

The Girgs-Larsson-Okposo line was one of the best analytical lines in all of hockey last year.

We were a strong defensive team due to them eating up those tough minutes against other teams top players, and were a huge reason why we had such a good record on home ice.

Our record on the road was putrid when we couldn’t match them up defensively against other teams top players.

The “Larry’s” May not have hit anybody but ask the opinion of the players that skated 15 minutes a night against them and had zeros across the scoresheet if they were a pain to play against.

The Bills defence may not have forced a turnover or scored on every defensive possession they had but they suffocated opponents and forced three and outs. The “Larry’s” forced three and outs.

- Pegullaville




Too bad you can’t re structure contracts in NHL. Make Okposo do that and I would love the Log as our 4th line
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jul 24 @ 8:56 AM ET
Adam Creighton was better than John Tucker.

FIGHT ME!
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 24 @ 9:11 AM ET
over used line IMO by default


dave hanan and wayne presley probably got 7 or 8 minutes even strength and pk duty


IMO they were the perfect shutdown guys


in a cap era, any line with okposo is overused

one thing for sure, in the last 2 years grier played for the sabres and the last 4 years larsson played for the sabres, I never expected the team to score a goal

- homiedclown


Okposo is overpaid by $3M, I believe you can replace Girgs with CJ Smith or Asplund.

However with the lack of centre depth as it is, I do not believe letting a Selkie level defender in Larsson walk out the door is a good idea. But that’s just me.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 24 @ 9:13 AM ET
over used line IMO by default


dave hanan and wayne presley probably got 7 or 8 minutes even strength and pk duty


IMO they were the perfect shutdown guys


in a cap era, any line with okposo is overused

one thing for sure, in the last 2 years grier played for the sabres and the last 4 years larsson played for the sabres, I never expected the team to score a goal

- homiedclown


And if they brought back the 3 stooges next year, we'd still be sitting here talking about how the team is in the bottom third in scoring after Ralph plays them 15 minutes a night...again. cut the cord
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jul 24 @ 9:15 AM ET
And if they brought back the 3 stooges next year, we'd still be sitting here talking about how the team is in the bottom third in scoring after Ralph plays them 15 minutes a night...again. cut the cord
- jcragcrumple



Agreed.

Eff the 4th line. A true 4th line should play about 8-10 minutes a night.

Fix the SECOND LINE!
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