Team hires 20 people. 17 provide little to negative value. Those 17 are released. 3 are kept because they theoretically bring positive value. Team fans get angry because the assumption is owner doesn't want to spend money on a quality staff.

We’ve seen mitts and tage forced into the line up above their development. I can’t wait to see it done with a goalie. And while I have hopes for cozens, throwing him in a 2c roll is just a mistake.

#teachmekym
- Gr8daygo

Expensive mistakes, as we keep burning years off of ELCs before they are ready to play.

Expensive mistakes, as we keep burning years off of ELCs before they are ready to play.
- Mentalorgasm5

Their ELC's go into effect once they are in the AHL. The only thing that gets effected is the win column.

Yeah, Murray was an idiot. JB also spent 4 third round picks for nothing of value, which makes him an idiot as well. And he drafted 2 low-ceiling defensemen in the 1st and 2nd rounds. He was awful
- jcragcrumple

He spend it on worse than nothing, he acquired poopty players with multiple years on his contract.

Long term deals signed by Botterill

Skinner
Eichel

That’s it.

Long term deals acquired or signed by Murray

ROR
Bogosian
Ennis
Moulson
Okposo

First and second round picks traded

Murray

5

Botterill

2

We really need to stop pretending these two were similar, at all.

One was an unmitigated disaster. The other sat on his hands and couldn’t get two good forwards when he needed it
- sbroads24

Dont forget about berglund.

They arrived at the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.

We're better off without him, by far
- jcragcrumple

If what Adams says, that they are going to rely on a numbers based approach, I will agree.

If he's the third GM in a row to do the exact opposite of what they said they's do (Probably because the owners meddle) it will be the same dogpoop results

Their ELC's go into effect once they are in the AHL. The only thing that gets effected is the win column.
- buffalofan19

Yes I know, and Mittestadt contract kicked in too soon. Reinharts did. Nylanders did. It goes on and on. We have been bringing our prospects to the AHL and NHL too quickly, thus wasting 1 or 2 years on their contract.

Botts did not build a winning team in the AHL. He signed vetern AHL allstars, definitely not the same as developing our minor league teams.

you can't have an owner and a gm sign up for a 4 or 5 year plan, given the murray mess, and change expectations and direction of the team 3 years later


botts sold them on the build from the bottom up philosophy 3 and a half years ago and said it would take 4 or 5 years to compete on a regular basis


they agreed



when 24 teams got in the playoffs instead of 16, terry and kim had a veruca type fit, and changed course


any gm right now for the sabres is a lame duck, as they follow orders from the owners and the owners change the rules right away



murray was told to win now

murray's 2 big assets brought in, botts was told to ship out




I am not defending botts, more miffed by the lack of interviewing people to replace him
- homiedclown

Yet they went in to last season with a kid goalie with 24 nhl wins and:

played a 34 year old goalie with bad vision?

Maybe these moves had to do with losing botts job

Murray left this team with almost 0 assets and cap.

Botts left Adams a choice of which three top 4 RD he can trade for a forward, the #1 ranked prospect not in the NHL in Cozens, and flexibility with the cap.

They aren’t in the same world.

Both bad GM’s, but Murray is historically bad
- sbroads24

👍👍👍

https://twitter.com/sabre.../1281228995183468547?s=21

Ristolainen bad. Jokiharju good

Trade Risto for anything

https://twitter.com/sabremetrix/status/1281228995183468547?s=21

Ristolainen bad. Jokiharju good

Trade Risto for anything
- sbroads24

Does this make Ralph a terrible judge of talent?

Because he sure loves him some Risto.

And some want him to be GM? Yikes.

https://twitter.com/sabremetrix/status/1281228995183468547?s=21

Ristolainen bad. Jokiharju good

Trade Risto for anything
- sbroads24

If Brian Burke knows your analytics are bad, the entire league does too.

Does this make Ralph a terrible judge of talent?

Because he sure loves him some Risto.

And some want him to be GM? Yikes.
- Powerslave

I hate to say it but Schopp is right. The fact that this franchise still thinks Ristolainen is anywhere near valuable is Exhibit A of how far off the mark this franchise really is.

https://twitter.com/sabremetrix/status/1281228995183468547?s=21

Ristolainen bad. Jokiharju good

Trade Risto for anything
- sbroads24

It’s been like that for years.

But Risto hits people so it’s fine.

I understand the Sabres wanting to operate the Amerks differently, but I still wonder why Tayls was canned. If you give the man a directive like play the kids more, I'm sure he can be flexible.
- TheSabresTaco

Wasnt the amerks made up of hired "ahl guns" ?

Career type ahl guys and our better prospects?


0 ZERO playoff round wins


Definitely cannable

Yet they went in to last season with a kid goalie with 24 nhl wins and:

played a 34 year old goalie with bad vision?

Maybe these moves had to do with losing botts job
- Boss34

yet ralph is running the show, knowing the goalie was being played with bad vision


it's like the reaction doesn't make sense based on the action

If what Adams says, that they are going to rely on a numbers based approach, I will agree.

If he's the third GM in a row to do the exact opposite of what they said they's do (Probably because the owners meddle) it will be the same dogpoop results
- sbroads24

Or because the coach interferes because he loves playing a supremely boring, conservative, safe style that totally conflicts with the style of his best players, like his puck moving defensemen...

I hate to say it but Schopp is right. The fact that this franchise still thinks Ristolainen is anywhere near valuable is Exhibit A of how far off the mark this franchise really is.
- buffalofan19

The rift between Adams and Ralph starts in 3, 2, 1...

It’s been like that for years.

But Risto hits people so it’s fine.
- Pegullaville

My favorite is when he hits an opposing player after that player scores a goal.

You guys are complaining about the Pegulas when they have done everything the fans wanted

And now they're doing it their way because getting the best GM and coach didn't work

My favorite is when he hits an opposing player after that player scores a goal.
- kingcong39

Gronk on Ice.

My favorite is when he hits an opposing player after that player scores a goal.
- kingcong39

Or when he checks himself into the boards with no one around

You guys are complaining about the Pegulas when they have done everything the fans wanted

And now they're doing it their way because getting the best GM and coach didn't work
- gerbe75pts

They suck as owners, and continuously hire the wrong people, and 9 years out of the playoffs proves it.

There's more to owning a team than having a fancy dressing room.

It's great that they fired a lazy scouting department, but how can you defend these two?

https://twitter.com/sabremetrix/status/1281228995183468547?s=21

Ristolainen bad. Jokiharju good

Trade Risto for anything
- sbroads24

Jokiharju would look even better if the coach actually allowed and encouraged his defensemen into bringing the puck up the ice (zone entries).

What if these two just aren't good? Isn't it possible that Mittelstadt and Tage just aren't NHL caliber?

As for Cozens, he will have the same development path as Reinhart. Draft +1 then into the NHL (maybe 1.25 depending on if the WHL starts on time). If he's good, he'll make it.
- jcragcrumple

Completely agree that they can be just bad at the hockey. But they were clearly forced into the lineup above their current development at the time, it was a disaster and Terry (the second smartest person to ever own a hockey team) wants to see more “kids” rushed to the big club.