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Sean Maloughney
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 3 @ 5:19 PM ET
Sean Maloughney: Breaking Down What A Flat Cap Will Mean For The Oilers
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 3 @ 5:25 PM ET
Sean Maloughney: Breaking Down What A Flat Cap Will Mean For The Oilers
- freelancer


I wanna believe Holland will act rationally, but I’ve been burnt too many times by Oiler management.

Thus I shall sit here, waiting for the cage to come down.
Sean Maloughney
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 3 @ 5:30 PM ET
I wanna believe Holland will act rationally, but I’ve been burnt too many times by Oiler management.

Thus I shall sit here, waiting for the cage to come down.

- Wildschwein

The silver lining any Oilers fan should take is due to the cap constraints there are very few ways this can be screwed up, ala another Milan Lucic deal. This will be a conversation for another blog soon but Holland simply needs to sign RFA's at value, get Russell off the books and sign a 3 million dollar third line centre and a 2 million dollar backup.

I'll let you all discuss who I think those will be
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 3 @ 7:01 PM ET
Maybe it's shortsighted, but I would absolutely take the almost 4mil in cap savings we'd get from a Neal buyout. Without hesitation. With the scoring depth Holland has added and the cap space he would be positioned to add by buying out Neal and maybe offloading Russell, the team should be pushing its competitive window open right now. I'm sure Connor, Leon, Nuge, et al are done waiting and so am I.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 3 @ 7:50 PM ET
The silver lining any Oilers fan should take is due to the cap constraints there are very few ways this can be screwed up, ala another Milan Lucic deal. This will be a conversation for another blog soon but Holland simply needs to sign RFA's at value, get Russell off the books and sign a 3 million dollar third line centre and a 2 million dollar backup.

I'll let you all discuss who I think those will be

- freelancer

Neal for Turris

Since you seem of the mind that the buyout won't go down, I'll entertain options. Nashville has enough Cs and probably wants a way out of the Turris contract faster (1 yr shorter deal); we offer Turris a fantastic, low-pressure shot to rekindle his career (and his contract still has a buyout we could stomach two years from now).

Puljujarvi and Khaira for D!ckinson and a pick

Not sure how the Stars would react to such a deal, but they've done well acquiring Finns. Could use some more young W depth to go alongside Gurianov and Hintz (apparently one of Jesse's good friends); Oilers get a fast, younger bottom-6 C hat's growing into his two-way game (Khaira for cap reasons).

Nuge- Drai- Yamo
Ennis- McD- Kassian
AA- Turris- Chiasson
Nygard- D!ck- Archie
Haas, Lewis*


That's immediately a competitive forward group. This would require Bear take a ~2mil bridge deal and the others to take around what they got now, but that seems manageable given the cap climate. Throw in the Russell (1mil retained) and a 3rd to LA for a 5th, 1.9 for Aaron Dell and 900k for Lewis (PK experience to replace Sheahan) and you'll have ~850k in cap space.
Oildrum
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Kenny will bring us to the promised land
Joined: 06.12.2012

Jul 4 @ 5:35 AM ET
Wait till after these playoffs and see if you still want to drop Kris Russell
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 4 @ 10:03 AM ET
Wait till after these playoffs and see if you still want to drop Kris Russell
- Oildrum

4mil for a 3rd pairing D is too much no matter how he performs. Getting out of his contract should be a top priority.
Balboa
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.15.2020

Jul 4 @ 1:54 PM ET
OK time for a little reality Oiler fan!
Retaining a million and trading Russel at 3 million is not going to happen. With most teams being in cap purgatory due to the flat cap there will be lots of options on the free market cheaper than Russell at 3 million (attach a 2nd round pick to him and maybe someone takes him on).
Same goes for Khaira and his 6 goals at 1.2 million.
As far as buying out Neal goes dont you have enough dead money counting against your cap from dumb moves made in past seasons?
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 4 @ 4:22 PM ET
OK time for a little reality Oiler fan!
Retaining a million and trading Russel at 3 million is not going to happen. With most teams being in cap purgatory due to the flat cap there will be lots of options on the free market cheaper than Russell at 3 million (attach a 2nd round pick to him and maybe someone takes him on).
Same goes for Khaira and his 6 goals at 1.2 million.
As far as buying out Neal goes dont you have enough dead money counting against your cap from dumb moves made in past seasons?

- Balboa

Praise be unto the exalted one! He, in his infinite wisdom, hath come to guide we the ignorant masses into the most promised of lands with his knowledge that scenarios discussed upon fan boards are often not all that realistic! Praise be unto his holy and infallible genius; let none sully his name and brilliance!

[/unrelenting sarcasm]
abware
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Just Fuching with you guys! Oilers > than Flames! K-man25
Joined: 01.26.2010

Jul 4 @ 4:24 PM ET
Praise be unto the exalted one! He, in his infinite wisdom, hath come to guide we the ignorant masses into the most promised of lands with his knowledge that scenarios discussed upon fan boards are often not all that realistic! Praise be unto his holy and infallible genius; let none sully his name and brilliance!


- MaximumBone[/unrelenting sarcasm]

Balboa
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.15.2020

Jul 4 @ 7:47 PM ET
Praise be unto the exalted one! He, in his infinite wisdom, hath come to guide we the ignorant masses into the most promised of lands with his knowledge that scenarios discussed upon fan boards are often not all that realistic! Praise be unto his holy and infallible genius; let none sully his name and brilliance!


- MaximumBone[/unrelenting sarcasm]
Thanks for acknowledging i'm right. Live the dream LOL
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 4 @ 7:56 PM ET
Thanks for acknowledging i'm right. Live the dream LOL
- Balboa

DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jul 5 @ 3:49 PM ET
I wanna believe Holland will act rationally, but I’ve been burnt too many times by Oiler management.

Thus I shall sit here, waiting for the cage to come down.

- Wildschwein

Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 5 @ 4:16 PM ET

- MaximumBone


Dear God I’ve missed this.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 5 @ 4:16 PM ET

- DeflatedPucks


The also deflate scrotums with their filth ridden tusks.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 5 @ 4:17 PM ET
Wait till after these playoffs and see if you still want to drop Kris Russell
- Oildrum


Nah. I’m cool with dumping him now. Yesterday even.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 5 @ 4:19 PM ET
Neal for Turris

Since you seem of the mind that the buyout won't go down, I'll entertain options. Nashville has enough Cs and probably wants a way out of the Turris contract faster (1 yr shorter deal); we offer Turris a fantastic, low-pressure shot to rekindle his career (and his contract still has a buyout we could stomach two years from now).

- MaximumBone


This could just work.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 5 @ 6:06 PM ET
This could just work.
- Wildschwein

Glad you agree! While Turris is by no means a perfect 3C, I think he's a safer bet than just about any UFA this year and- since we're assuming that Neal won't be bought out- we need to find a more effective way to utilize that cap space. After two years, the hope in that scenario would be for Richardinson or our 1st pick from this year to be ready to step into that role.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 5 @ 9:14 PM ET
Glad you agree! While Turris is by no means a perfect 3C, I think he's a safer bet than just about any UFA this year and- since we're assuming that Neal won't be bought out- we need to find a more effective way to utilize that cap space. After two years, the hope in that scenario would be for Richardinson or our 1st pick from this year to be ready to step into that role.
- MaximumBone


Not perfect no, but the logic behind the trade and its participants seem to be without fault. A perfect hockey trade, addressing the needs of both clubs.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 6 @ 1:22 PM ET
Not perfect no, but the logic behind the trade and its participants seem to be without fault. A perfect hockey trade, addressing the needs of both clubs.
- Wildschwein

Alternatively, Russell for Brandon Sutter is one I'm seeing bandied about on other Oilers threads out there.
Beergu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 08.15.2008

Jul 6 @ 4:06 PM ET
Alternatively, Russell for Brandon Sutter is one I'm seeing bandied about on other Oilers threads out there.
- MaximumBone


Can't see that one happening, Van is already overloaded on D men, and yet they are trying to bring Tryamkin back still. Maybe if they don't resign Tanev, and move Stecher, there might be a spot on the right side, but it would be best to move Benn over there anyway. Edler and Hughes are locks for the top 2 LD spots, and I presume they will want to make room for Juolevi next year. Brisbois is also a serviceable 3rd pair option on LD, and they probably want to give Rafferty a look on the right side too.

Also, Sutter sucks.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 6 @ 4:17 PM ET
Can't see that one happening, Van is already overloaded on D men, and yet they are trying to bring Tryamkin back still. Maybe if they don't resign Tanev, and move Stecher, there might be a spot on the right side, but it would be best to move Benn over there anyway. Edler and Hughes are locks for the top 2 LD spots, and I presume they will want to make room for Juolevi next year. Brisbois is a serviceable 3rd pair option on LD, and they probably want to give Rafferty a look on the right side too.

Also, Sutter sucks.

- Beergu

They're hardly overloaded on D. They've got Hughes, Edler, Myers and Benn (and their fans are seemingly cool with waiving that last one); the rest of their D corps is up in the air.

They've got 18mil to sign a starter, resign or replace Tanev, Stecher and (likely) Toffoli all while needing to account for any performance bonus overages (potentially 4.7 in performance bonuses with 30k in cap space this year) that will be hitting them from their wonder duo's performances. I could absolutely see them entertaining a shuffling on cap allocation kind of deal like that.

As for Sutter, so does Russell. Sutter would immediately be our 3rd best C by a wide margin and has proven himself mostly-capable of filling the defensive 3C role while posting reasonable offense in his career. At worst, he's an improvement on Sheahan that uses cap dollars that are already committed. It's a deal that reallocates cap dollars in a way that I think benefits both teams more than their current setups.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 6 @ 6:48 PM ET
They're hardly overloaded on D. They've got Hughes, Edler, Myers and Benn (and their fans are seemingly cool with waiving that last one); the rest of their D corps is up in the air.

They've got 18mil to sign a starter, resign or replace Tanev, Stecher and (likely) Toffoli all while needing to account for any performance bonus overages (potentially 4.7 in performance bonuses with 30k in cap space this year) that will be hitting them from their wonder duo's performances. I could absolutely see them entertaining a shuffling on cap allocation kind of deal like that.

As for Sutter, so does Russell. Sutter would immediately be our 3rd best C by a wide margin and has proven himself mostly-capable of filling the defensive 3C role while posting reasonable offense in his career. At worst, he's an improvement on Sheahan that uses cap dollars that are already committed. It's a deal that reallocates cap dollars in a way that I think benefits both teams more than their current setups.

- MaximumBone


I’d avoid Sutter as a 3C replacement. Not due to on ice performance, but because the guy is a quintessential bandaid.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Jul 6 @ 7:11 PM ET
The biggest thing that would benefit us is a good showing from Russell in the playoffs. Perhaps that would entice some teams to consider dealing for him.

Wishful thinking, but one can hope.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 6 @ 7:42 PM ET
I’d avoid Sutter as a 3C replacement. Not due to on ice performance, but because the guy is a quintessential bandaid.
- Wildschwein

My issue is what are the alternatives? There are two UFAs who might be acquirable AND a better fit in Haula and Soderberg but a.) we'd be competing with the open market for them and b.) we'd still have Russell's cap on the books. If we can fill a gap in our roster while going cap neutral, then why not? Then we can still add another potential 3C candidate (Richardinson from the earlier scenario) and be all the better off as a result.