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Ryan Wilson: No get out of jaill free cards for real or arm chair general managers
No get out of jaill free cards for real or arm chair general managers
- Ryan_Wilson

Just wanted to say your bit about no arm chair GMs getting buyouts made me laugh.

Keep up the good work.

Happy July 4th to the Americans around here. Hope you enjoy the day and stay safe/healthy.

I personally wouldn't want the Pens to buy out JJ. His contract is bad relative to who he his and does hinder the Pens from making a better back-end, but it's not a major albatross. I've maintained the best way to move him out is to retain salary and get him out. I'd personally rather have him off the books by the end of his contract than keep paying him while his contract has expired.

LA, OTT and DET(to a lesser degree) are set to become the potential dumping ground of unwanted contracts. All three teams have roster spots to fill out on defense and while they could obviously just call up some cheap AHL guys, you can imagine some of the teams that will try and incentivize them to take the crap off their hands instead of doing that.

Sending JJ out with retaining 50% ($1.625M) I think gives the Pens an easier time than most despite how terrible of a hockey player he is. Salary-wise he would not be a hinderance and his cap-hit makes it easier for these teams to bury in the minors if they so choose. They may have to give up a semi-decent asset, but I don't think they'll need to send a 1st, 2nd or major prospect to get it done by retaining 50%.

There is more addition by subtraction in freeing up that roster spot than anything else.

Happy July 4th to the Americans around here. Hope you enjoy the day and stay safe/healthy.
- MattStrat

I personally wouldn't want the Pens to buy out JJ. His contract is bad relative to who he his and does hinder the Pens from making a better back-end, but it's not a major albatross. I've maintained the best way to move him out is to retain salary and get him out. I'd personally rather have him off the books by the end of his contract than keep paying him while his contract has expired.

LA, OTT and DET(to a lesser degree) are set to become the potential dumping ground of unwanted contracts. All three teams have roster spots to fill out on defense and while they could obviously just call up some cheap AHL guys, you can imagine some of the teams that will try and incentivize them to take the crap off their hands instead of doing that.

Sending JJ out with retaining 50% ($1.625M) I think gives the Pens an easier time than most despite how terrible of a hockey player he is. Salary-wise he would not be a hinderance and his cap-hit makes it easier for these teams to bury in the minors if they so choose. They may have to give up a semi-decent asset, but I don't think they'll need to send a 1st, 2nd or major prospect to get it done by retaining 50%.

There is more addition by subtraction in freeing up that roster spot than anything else.
- Rinosaur

For teams like Ottawa and LA who have a lot of young talent already and might be ready to move up, why would they take JJ without getting even a aecond or good prospect back? Honestly I can't see those two reams wanting JJ's term as they should start trying to be competitive soon.

Detroit makes sense though how much longer they can sell their fans on staying at the bottom when they keep losing lotteries is questionable. Anaheim has been rumored to be a team willing to take on salary, but again not sure how long.

Then again, GMJR tends to find a way. I just think it will cost something pretty good and they don't have alot to offer. I think the buyout should be an option as I'd trade the dead space in a few years of less than a million to keep the asset they'd need to trade.

For teams like Ottawa and LA who have a lot of young talent already and might be ready to move up, why would they take JJ without getting even a aecond or good prospect back? Honestly I can't see those two reams wanting JJ's term as they should start trying to be competitive soon.

Detroit makes sense though how much longer they can sell their fans on staying at the bottom when they keep losing lotteries is questionable. Anaheim has been rumored to be a team willing to take on salary, but again not sure how long.

Then again, GMJR tends to find a way. I just think it will cost something pretty good and they don't have alot to offer. I think the buyout should be an option as I'd trade the dead space in a few years of less than a million to keep the asset they'd need to trade.
- Tojo.

LA, DET and OTT are easily a good two to three years away from competing for a playoff spot. Removing JJ from the equation, there is still incentive for them to keep stockpiling assets for taking on a few gnarly contracts, even if they're middle of the road assets.

Why JJ? Yeah, he's a terrible dman, but with all three teams needing to fill out their back-end right now, picking up JJ to round out the bottom for $1.625 for three seasons doesn't do much to hamper their situation as much as a 3+ year contract with someone making over $5M+ (just an example). A 3rd rounder or maybe someone like Bjorkqvist? I think that's enticing enough because JJ is still a player at that price that they can easily bury, so there's no real risk for them.

Not sure if it's been talking about, but the Blues' schedule phase 2 of workouts have been cancelled due to multiple players testing positive. I'm not trying to make a mountain out of of a molehill, but I just don't think starting the season back up is feasible.

Not sure if it's been talking about, but the Blues' schedule phase 2 of workouts have been cancelled due to multiple players testing positive. I'm not trying to make a mountain out of of a molehill, but I just don't think starting the season back up is feasible.
- Rinosaur

There is too much money at stake for them not to...Also they have not gone into full bubble mode like they will at hub cities, which will make conditions much more controllable.

Are there any teams that will be closer to the cap floor that may need assistance getting there? The devils are at 72M this year and have only 55M committed next year. all of their buy outs or retained come off the books at this seasons end. Bjugstad anyone? the sens will have $40M in cap space.

Pittsburgh has $68M committed to 2020-21 for 15 players. For the forwards: geno, sid, zucker, horny, bjugstad, tanev, ZAR, rust and bluegger are already signed. Thats 9 forwards for $41.8M. Would be great if they could ditch bjugstad though. Sens on line 1??

Not sure if it's been talking about, but the Blues' schedule phase 2 of workouts have been cancelled due to multiple players testing positive. I'm not trying to make a mountain out of of a molehill, but I just don't think starting the season back up is feasible.
- Rinosaur

I think the process was planned to be getting everyone to the teams and having enough time for players who have it to get over it or no longer test positive/be contagious anymore.. That's why it's not starting until August, to have enough time to allow for these things to happen, that there was a very high chance of occurring, and for them to play out.

LA, DET and OTT are easily a good two to three years away from competing for a playoff spot. Removing JJ from the equation, there is still incentive for them to keep stockpiling assets for taking on a few gnarly contracts, even if they're middle of the road assets.

Why JJ? Yeah, he's a terrible dman, but with all three teams needing to fill out their back-end right now, picking up JJ to round out the bottom for $1.625 for three seasons doesn't do much to hamper their situation as much as a 3+ year contract with someone making over $5M+ (just an example). A 3rd rounder or maybe someone like Bjorkqvist? I think that's enticing enough because JJ is still a player at that price that they can easily bury, so there's no real risk for them.
- Rinosaur

I'd disagree with those timelines, at least for when they'll try to compete. Also, Ottawa's owner is too cheap to eat salary for assets.

I think the process was planned to be getting everyone to the teams and having enough time for players who have it to get over it or no longer test positive/be contagious anymore.. That's why it's not starting until August, to have enough time to allow for these things to happen, that there was a very high chance of occurring, and for them to play out.
- MattStrat

August?? So it will last into September and then the new season starts in early October? Enjoy your couple of weeks between seasons, boys!

Are there any teams that will be closer to the cap floor that may need assistance getting there? The devils are at 72M this year and have only 55M committed next year. all of their buy outs or retained come off the books at this seasons end. Bjugstad anyone? the sens will have $40M in cap space.

Pittsburgh has $68M committed to 2020-21 for 15 players. For the forwards: geno, sid, zucker, horny, bjugstad, tanev, ZAR, rust and bluegger are already signed. Thats 9 forwards for $41.8M. Would be great if they could ditch bjugstad though. Sens on line 1??
- i'mjustafan

I think with the cap not going up there will be a lot of competition to dump bad contracts and I don't think the Pens have much to offer. I don't see OTT helping us out. I could see a scenario where Murray could be a valuable trade piece if we can offload him before he hits FA. Bjug is the most logical since he has just one year left and who knows, maybe he miraculously stays healthy for more than half the season and actually helps a team.

August?? So it will last into September and then the new season starts in early October? Enjoy your couple of weeks between seasons, boys!
- Hockey66

Next season's start will be pushed back until December.

I think with the cap not going up there will be a lot of competition to dump bad contracts and I don't think the Pens have much to offer. I don't see OTT helping us out. I could see a scenario where Murray could be a valuable trade piece if we can offload him before he hits FA. Bjug is the most logical since he has just one year left and who knows, maybe he miraculously stays healthy for more than half the season and actually helps a team.
- Hockey66

With the one year remaining, I figured they could move Bjugstad for certsin, but it will be tougher with condensed cap.

Every team has at least 1 bad contract

The fact ours is Jack Johnson is actually a benefit

3 Million per year, and we can get rid of 1 million of that just be sending him to the AHL

Having that little dead money is advantageous to the Penguins. I'll eat JJ's cap hit if it means the competition has to eat the much larger, much longer bad contracts on their books

Isn't strange how compliance buyouts are only negotiated into CBA's when the Flyers really need them? This coming season would have been Bryz's last contract year. That is very unfortunate, between both his "contributions" to their team and the great sound bites that were never spoken.

Ryan Wilson: No get out of jaill free cards for real or arm chair general managers
No get out of jaill free cards for real or arm chair general managers
- Ryan_Wilson

I know there are some fellow card collectors out there...

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Jacko will Get his SC with the Pens before his contract runs out. Book it.

Jacko will Get his SC with the Pens before his contract runs out. Book it.
- Barnaby36

Every team has at least 1 bad contract

The fact ours is Jack Johnson is actually a benefit

3 Million per year, and we can get rid of 1 million of that just be sending him to the AHL

Having that little dead money is advantageous to the Penguins. I'll eat JJ's cap hit if it means the competition has to eat the much larger, much longer bad contracts on their books
- TheGame316

Once you add a replacement player, you don't actually save anything. But I'm with you, Pens aren't in nearly as bad of shape as many other teams. Doesn't mean they can't try to improve.

Next season's start will be pushed back until December.
- Tojo.

Ok, that makes more sense, but if they are pushing it back that far, they might as well wait until there is a vaccine which will probably be within a couple of months of December.

Next season's start will be pushed back until December.
- Tojo.

Unfortunately, I would take the bet that we do not see hockey in 2020 at all.

I think we have talked about the bubble problems and why the rest of the 2019-20 season might be lost. Way too many unknowns to realistically bet that the season can finish.

For next season, I am still convinced any sports league will struggle to play this year because a lot of the same unknowns will still be unknown in the fall and winter, some even think the virus will come back worse when the weather gets cold. right now it seems like best case scenario has a vaccine developed by the end of the year. Even if a vaccine is developed, and that is still an "if", it will take a long time for the production of the vaccine to meet the demand. Sports leagues will not be high on the list to vaccinate. Seniors, healthcare workers, and others will and should be the priority.

There might be a massive breakthrough or treatment. Personally, i think a strong treatment is more likely than a vaccine that is effective because you not only have to develop a vaccine that works, you have to convince the public to get vaccinated. Not as easy as people would think in these times of stupidity.

Unfortunately, I would take the bet that we do not see hockey in 2020 at all.

I think we have talked about the bubble problems and why the rest of the 2019-20 season might be lost. Way too many unknowns to realistically bet that the season can finish.

For next season, I am still convinced any sports league will struggle to play this year because a lot of the same unknowns will still be unknown in the fall and winter, some even think the virus will come back worse when the weather gets cold. right now it seems like best case scenario has a vaccine developed by the end of the year. Even if a vaccine is developed, and that is still an "if", it will take a long time for the production of the vaccine to meet the demand. Sports leagues will not be high on the list to vaccinate. Seniors, healthcare workers, and others will and should be the priority.

There might be a massive breakthrough or treatment. Personally, i think a strong treatment is more likely than a vaccine that is effective because you not only have to develop a vaccine that works, you have to convince the public to get vaccinated. Not as easy as people would think in these times of stupidity.
- SuperHenderson13

I agree that I doubt we see hockey this year. I think all it will take is for one pro athlete to get really sick and/or die and then a lot of them will say, "Sorry, I'm out."

As for who gets the vaccine, I'm sure it will be the rich and well-connected who get it first, just like always.

Yes, we are living in very stupid times. I told myself I wouldn't be surprised about anything anymore but this whole mask thing is really putting that to the test.