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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:00 AM ET
How many NHL players will opt out of the playoffs?

My guess is zero. I am sure they are no more afraid of the coroanvirus than they are of the flu.

Left wing fear mongering has worn off.

- sabresfan69


It's just unnecessary. What you're saying is false based on actual player quotes, but hey who cares.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...plan-hockey-central-home/
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:00 AM ET
Depends.
If Adam's can get him a Center that gets him the same shot profile he had when playing with Jack, maybe he earns most of that Cap hit for several years.

Remember, High Danger shots down 50%, Medium Danger shots down 19%, Low Danger shots up a high percentage (can't remember now, been too long..but 30%?)

His low Sh% can be attributed to the above.

- IonSabres


Sure and my argument is that we shouldn’t have to pay a winger $9M to produce with an Eichel.

I’m sure there are several wingers that could score 30-40 playing with Jack, who many get some assists as well that doesn’t come in at that cap hit.

The Center that Skinner needs to be successful has to get paid too right ?
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:02 AM ET
I miss the lockout
- homiedclown


I miss having competent management and a roster without giant gaping holes.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:03 AM ET
Sure and my argument is that we shouldn’t have to pay a winger $9M to produce with an Eichel.

I’m sure there are several wingers that could score 30-40 playing with Jack, who many get some assists as well that doesn’t come in at that cap hit.

The Center that Skinner needs to be successful has to get paid too right ?

- Pegullaville


If you're good, you get paid. There's your reality check for the day. And that's not to mention that even when you're not "good", you might still get paid.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:07 AM ET
If you're good, you get paid. There's your reality check for the day. And that's not to mention that even when you're not "good", you might still get paid.
- TheSabresTaco


We were better off letting him walk
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 8 @ 9:07 AM ET
the bigger problem IMO is the rift between ralph and skinner


as long as ralph refuses to put skinner with eichel and on the pp, skinner will never sniff the production his 9 mil per season salary demands



so prepare for the flames and pitch forks for a long time on this site

- homiedclown



With that said, Skinner being paid 9 million needs to be able to produce some on his own.

People female dog about Reinhart being a shotgun rider, yet Skinner is fine.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 8 @ 9:07 AM ET
How many NHL players will opt out of the playoffs?

My guess is zero. I am sure they are no more afraid of the coroanvirus than they are of the flu.

Left wing fear mongering has worn off.

- sabresfan69


Let's ask Max Domi's doctors. He has type 1 diabetes
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:12 AM ET
Let's ask Max Domi's doctors. He has type 1 diabetes
- jcragcrumple


Nope, no one is concerned, everyone is fine, the Nazis didn't invade Poland, they were just coming for a surprise party and brought cake and cookies.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:12 AM ET
With that said, Skinner being paid 9 million needs to be able to produce some on his own.

People female dog about Reinhart being a shotgun rider, yet Skinner is fine.

- ImThatGuy


That’s the part people don’t understand.

I’ve never seen so many excuses made for a guy making that much money in my life.

There is a group of maybe 10-15 wingers (and that might even be generous) that are worth that cap hit cause they can drive a line on their own.

For $9M Skinner should be able to score with me playing as his franking Center.

Obviously that isn’t the case, we should have moved the additional draft capital needed to instead acquire Zucker to produce the same results on Eichel’s line and used the extra $3.5-4M on a goalie who could stop a beachball.

Instead we are wasting $3.5M on the cap on a winger whose no different then anyone we can sign off the street in UFA this year.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:16 AM ET
my guess is it will be a reduced season, say 48 games
- homiedclown


Every thing I have read and listened too indicates they want an 82 game schedule and will compact it quite a bit as well as extend the timeframe for playoffs into summer... then begin moving back to a more normal schedule over the following season of two.

It's ALL about Revenue. Look for modifications to allowed attendance levels, requiring masks, and face shields, and sign Liability Waivors.
Would help if they blasted high levels of UV light at intermission and served beer with a couple ounces of bleach, and put some Hydroxyclorquine / Zinc in as well....maybe call it Making Hockey White Again!
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:22 AM ET
Every thing I have read and listened too indicates they want an 82 game schedule and will compact it quite a bit as well as extend the timeframe for playoffs into summer... then begin moving back to a more normal schedule over the following season of two.

It's ALL about Revenue. Look for modifications to allowed attendance levels, requiring masks, and face shields, and sign Liability Waivors.
Would help if they blasted high levels of UV light at intermission and served beer with a couple ounces of bleach, and put some Hydroxyclorquine / Zinc in as well....maybe call it Making Hockey White Again!

- IonSabres


The president of the United States would like you to try some things that may be harmful to you, like bleach injection, UV injection (?) and hydroxychloroquine that can cause arrhythmia.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:26 AM ET
Sure and my argument is that we shouldn’t have to pay a winger $9M to produce with an Eichel.

I’m sure there are several wingers that could score 30-40 playing with Jack, who many get some assists as well that doesn’t come in at that cap hit.

The Center that Skinner needs to be successful has to get paid too right ?

- Pegullaville


Your points are valid, especially getting paid.
I'm more than willing for the Sabres to go get a 2C and 2RW who can each hang 60 pts on the board along with Skinner...and gladly pay for it.
Get the savings from having 2 or 3 redundant 2RhD's and Mojo earning 2nd line money....there's $13m on complete waste from poor asset management.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:27 AM ET
I miss having competent management and a roster without giant gaping holes.
- TheSabresTaco


What ever do you mean, giant gapping g holes?
The roster just needs a tweak, or so many have said.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 8 @ 9:33 AM ET
The president of the United States would like you to try some things that may be harmful to you, like bleach injection, UV injection (?) and hydroxychloroquine that can cause arrhythmia.
- TheSabresTaco


Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 8 @ 9:36 AM ET
Every thing I have read and listened too indicates they want an 82 game schedule and will compact it quite a bit as well as extend the timeframe for playoffs into summer... then begin moving back to a more normal schedule over the following season of two.

It's ALL about Revenue. Look for modifications to allowed attendance levels, requiring masks, and face shields, and sign Liability Waivors.
Would help if they blasted high levels of UV light at intermission and served beer with a couple ounces of bleach, and put some Hydroxyclorquine / Zinc in as well....maybe call it Making Hockey White Again!

- IonSabres


oh my...layin' down a big Boom!
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:43 AM ET
That’s the part people don’t understand.

I’ve never seen so many excuses made for a guy making that much money in my life.

There is a group of maybe 10-15 wingers (and that might even be generous) that are worth that cap hit cause they can drive a line on their own.

For $9M Skinner should be able to score with me playing as his franking Center.

Obviously that isn’t the case, we should have moved the additional draft capital needed to instead acquire Zucker to produce the same results on Eichel’s line and used the extra $3.5-4M on a goalie who could stop a beachball.

Instead we are wasting $3.5M on the cap on a winger whose no different then anyone we can sign off the street in UFA this year.

- Pegullaville


Can't disagree at all.
Yet, is there another side to this story?

With Skinner walking, the bad press generated yields NO desireable UFA signing here without significant over payments, chewing into the savings. Jason Zucker doesn't waive his M-NTC to come to Buffalo. The disaster Botterill can't swing more deals than his ineffective self did without the league wide bad press for the Sabres. Hutton is still given the opportunity, and I doubt his vision issues would have delayed an appearance until the offseason.

To cap it all of, rather than rumors of Jack telling Kerry and Tim to fix it or trade me, he simply demands for a trade without his version of the "1 year prove it or else" deal.

It certainly could have been much, much worse.

As nearly every poster has said going into the contract negotiations, he was going to be overpaid...mitigating the long-term impact by requiring a shorter term was key.

IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:47 AM ET
The president of the United States would like you to try some things that may be harmful to you, like bleach injection, UV injection (?) and hydroxychloroquine that can cause arrhythmia.
- TheSabresTaco


And the Medical community will want everyone to immediately take a Vaccine introduced with minimal, rushed testing to flesh-out long-term health issues. Wonder how many that will impact?
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 8 @ 9:51 AM ET
Your points are valid, especially getting paid.
I'm more than willing for the Sabres to go get a 2C and 2RW who can each hang 60 pts on the board along with Skinner...and gladly pay for it.
Get the savings from having 2 or 3 redundant 2RhD's and Mojo earning 2nd line money....there's $13m on complete waste from poor asset management.

- IonSabres

cirelli should be their No. 1 priority, imo...

TBL has eight players with nmc/ntc totaling about a $44.5M cap-hit...add in Kucherov, who's performance is nmc/ntc-worthy from a team standpoint, and another $9.5M committed to an immovable Vasilevski contract and we're talking $63.5M invested in 10 contracts leaving $18M to sign 13 players including cirelli and sergachev...

What would it cost to get him and sign him?

*shrugs*

At least a 1st and a 3rd, or playerprospect equivalents, which would represent an offer sheet of $4.2-$6.3M...or if they go premium offer, a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or player/prospect equivalents, which represents a $6.3M+ offersheet
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 8 @ 9:54 AM ET
cirelli should be their No. 1 priority, imo...

TBL has eight players with nmc/ntc totaling about a $44.5M cap-hit...add in Kucherov, who's performance is nmc/ntc-worthy from a team standpoint, and another $9.5M committed to an unmovable Vasilevski contract and we're talking $63.5M invested in 10 contracts leaving $18M to sign 13 players including cirelli and sergachev...

What would it cost to get him and sign him?

*shrugs*

At least a 1st and a 3rd, or playerprospect equivalents, which would represent an offer sheet of $4.2-$6.3M...or if they go premium offer, a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or player/prospect equivalents, which represents a $6.3M+ offersheet

- Michael Pachla


Does swapping 1sts, a 2nd and Mittelstadt get it done?

Let's say TB picks 28

I would do it
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 8 @ 9:55 AM ET
Does swapping 1sts, a 2nd and Mittelstadt get it done?

Let's say TB picks 28

I would do it

- jcragcrumple


I would do that also.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 8 @ 9:56 AM ET
Does swapping 1sts, a 2nd and Mittelstadt get it done?

Let's say TB picks 28

I would do it

- jcragcrumple


they have no 2020 1st
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 8 @ 10:01 AM ET
they have no 2020 1st
- Michael Pachla


I'll take next year's instead and use it as additional Murrancy to get another player this summer
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 8 @ 10:04 AM ET
my guess is it will be a reduced season, say 48 games
- homiedclown



Yep, I was setting a trap.

35ish in 48 games would have been extremely difficult 😀
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 8 @ 10:04 AM ET
I'll take next year's instead and use it as additional Murrancy to get another player this summer
- jcragcrumple

so buffalo sends this year's 1st (8th-overall,) Casey Mittelstadt and a 2nd (preferably 2021) to TBL for Cirelli and TBL 2021 1st?

i'd do it and it certainly gives Tampa a lot to think about
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 8 @ 10:04 AM ET
And the Medical community will want everyone to immediately take a Vaccine introduced with minimal, rushed testing to flesh-out long-term health issues. Wonder how many that will impact?
- IonSabres


The medical community will actually want the drugs to be approved by the FDA first. So there's that.
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