MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Yeah no one should be trying to emulate ron hextall my god - James_Tanner
That's just more lack of insight from you. Hextall built the foundation for a team that at the time of the stoppage was surging to the top of the NHL on the verge of entering into the elite of the league. That's with Lindblom and Patrick not playing. Chayka never put a team close to where Hextall in part put the Flyers. Arizona would do well to fire Chayka and hire Hextall.
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Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA Joined: 11.17.2018
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Yeah no one should be trying to emulate ron hextall my god - James_Tanner
Yeah Hextall is so dumb for patiently adding prospects while waiting for some of the awful contracts to expire.
Chayka is so much smarter. He bet on his own players...like Dvorak and Schmaltz and Keller. Great contracts!! Then acquires Kessell and Hall, because he actually thought this roster was close to competing. What an eye for talent. The Domi for Galchenyuk trade sure shows an eye for talent!! Chayka knows best. He also gave away Strome and DeAngelo - again, quite an eye for talent. Poor Hextall. He should take a class from Chayka on how to kill a franchise. |
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It's more about the salary cap than the player. In the NHL, other than elite star players, the most valuable player you can add to your roster is someone making a million bucks or less who can be a positive to the team while playing on the third or fourth line.
Barabanov is that for sure, and probably even has some second line upside. - James_Tanner
I wouldn't say "for sure" , we shall see |
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Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA Joined: 11.17.2018
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I wouldn't say "for sure" , we shall see - Ross77
People underestimate how hard it is for guys in the KHL, SEL, NCAA, etc...to make it in the NHL. Remember Shipachyov? Oops. |
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quinneroma
Calgary Flames |
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Location: Calgary, AB Joined: 07.26.2015
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"We named Taken as the 40th best film of all time." - James Tanner.
Is there a collaboration on this between a bunch of Cloned Tanners? May some superior being which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist help us!!! |
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Yeah Hextall is so dumb for patiently adding prospects while waiting for some of the awful contracts to expire.
Chayka is so much smarter. He bet on his own players...like Dvorak and Schmaltz and Keller. Great contracts!! Then acquires Kessell and Hall, because he actually thought this roster was close to competing. What an eye for talent. The Domi for Galchenyuk trade sure shows an eye for talent!! Chayka knows best. He also gave away Strome and DeAngelo - again, quite an eye for talent. Poor Hextall. He should take a class from Chayka on how to kill a franchise. - Kooleus
He acquired Deangelo for pennies and flipped his bad attitude for a number 2 center and number 1 goalie. Not a bad trade at all.
The Domi for Galchenyuk is questionable, but I’d take Kessel over Domi every day of the week for the next 4 years.
Strome for Schmaltz was a win. Strome sucks...even when he’s scoring his team play and defense sucks. He’s doomed to be a number 2 center on a no playoff team. I’d take Schmaltz every day.
Hjalmarsson is way better than Murphy.
Hall was worth the risk. He is a spectacular player and we were first in the division at the time. Still hope (and think he will) resign.
Kuemper was an amazing trade. Getting g rid of Mike Smith was amazing. Dvo, Chychrun, Schmaltz were great signings...OEL and Keller less so. Goligoski was a great signing...we are just at the tail end of his deal which is always a little overpriced.
I don’t get the hatred for Chayka. He’s taken the worst team in the league, most of the time they had no cash to spend, and no one wanted to come to a place that might get moved...he turned them in to playoff contenders at worst!
His biggest blunder?? Tocchet. I thought it was a bad hire the day he made it and still think it is. He’s a good assistant but not a good main guy. Need a stronger voice and leader in that spot.
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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He acquired Deangelo for pennies and flipped his bad attitude for a number 2 center and number 1 goalie. Not a bad trade at all.
The Domi for Galchenyuk is questionable, but I’d take Kessel over Domi every day of the week for the next 4 years.
- Dahlmanyotes
There is a lot of bad insight here. When you have a team like the Coyotes, moves should be made for the long term, not the short term. Deangelo is now flourishing and blossoming as a Ranger. Stepan is no longer a #2 center and Raanta is a backup. The Yotes also gave up a first round pick. So while the Coyotes got a little bit of short term gain, the end result is a really bad deal for the Coyotes.
You're delusional if you'd take Kessek over Domi. The Coyotes need to hope there is a compliance buyout so they can get bailed out on the Kessel contract. Just a horrendous move by Chayka.
Strome for Schmaltz was a win. Strome sucks...even when he’s scoring his team play and defense sucks. He’s doomed to be a number 2 center on a no playoff team. I’d take Schmaltz every day.
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Yea, I give the edge to the Yotes on that.
Hjalmarsson is way better than Murphy.
- Dahlmanyotes
He is but Hjalmarsson is in decline.
Hall was worth the risk. He is a spectacular player and we were first in the division at the time. Still hope (and think he will) resign.
- Dahlmanyotes
It was a pretty ill advised move by Chayka. They weren't one move away. In the end Hall is going to walk away and the Yotes have given up another first round pick and some prospects for what? Blake Speers? Very shortsighted to say it worth the risk. Bad miscalculation by Chayka and really should lead to his firing combined with all the other mistakes.
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I don’t get the hatred for Chayka. He’s taken the worst team in the league, most of the time they had no cash to spend, and no one wanted to come to a place that might get moved...he turned them in to playoff contenders at worst!
- Dahlmanyotes
I wouldn't call it hatred but it's not hard to get. He has the team in the absolute worst spot a team can be. Not good enough and capped out. While trading top picks and prospects to get there. He's done a really bad job. His job was not to make them a playoff team. His job was to build up the team with youth so that they can have a sustainable roster over a wide period of time. He has failed. Yotes need to cut bait. His so called analytical edge has also not materialized.
His biggest blunder?? Tocchet. I thought it was a bad hire the day he made it and still think it is. He’s a good assistant but not a good main guy. Need a stronger voice and leader in that spot. - Dahlmanyotes
Tocchet may not be the long term answer but he is not the issue now. Chayka is. |
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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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There is a lot of bad insight here. When you have a team like the Coyotes, moves should be made for the long term, not the short term. Deangelo is now flourishing and blossoming as a Ranger. Stepan is no longer a #2 center and Raanta is a backup. The Yotes also gave up a first round pick. So while the Coyotes got a little bit of short term gain, the end result is a really bad deal for the Coyotes.
You're delusional if you'd take Kessek over Domi. The Coyotes need to hope there is a compliance buyout so they can get bailed out on the Kessel contract. Just a horrendous move by Chayka.
Yea, I give the edge to the Yotes on that.
He is but Hjalmarsson is in decline.
It was a pretty ill advised move by Chayka. They weren't one move away. In the end Hall is going to walk away and the Yotes have given up another first round pick and some prospects for what? Blake Speers? Very shortsighted to say it worth the risk. Bad miscalculation by Chayka and really should lead to his firing combined with all the other mistakes.
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I wouldn't call it hatred but it's not hard to get. He has the team in the absolute worst spot a team can be. Not good enough and capped out. While trading top picks and prospects to get there. He's done a really bad job. His job was not to make them a playoff team. His job was to build up the team with youth so that they can have a sustainable roster over a wide period of time. He has failed. Yotes need to cut bait. His so called analytical edge has also not materialized.
Tocchet may not be the long term answer but he is not the issue now. Chayka is. - MJL
Chayka thought he was gonna pull a Toronto Raptors and trade for Taylor Hall and make noise, he forgot this is hockey, not basketball. The Coyotes only chance to get out of whatever Minnesota mediocre debacle they are in is if the Canadian kid they drafted at 3/5 or where ever he was turns into a star and quick. Played with Frost, really blanking on the name . |
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gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON Joined: 02.01.2016
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Chayka thought he was gonna pull a Toronto Raptors and trade for Taylor Hall and make noise, he forgot this is hockey, not basketball. The Coyotes only chance to get out of whatever Minnesota mediocre debacle they are in is if the Canadian kid they drafted at 3/5 or where ever he was turns into a star and quick. Played with Frost, really blanking on the name . - ClaudeFather
Barrett Hayton? |
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Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA Joined: 11.17.2018
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Barrett Hayton? - gergeswillems
Surprised Tanner didn't jump in and beat you to it. Hayton is the 2nd or 3rd or 4th most talented player on the Coyotes. He'd be a star if Tocchet knew how to coach. You just need to front-load your talent, so like just play Hayton with Hall and Kessel. Who cares about the bottom 6 of the roster. They should all just be $1M AHL replacement players. They don't matter. Just get some superstars, pay them $9M, and play them together. |
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Surprised Tanner didn't jump in and beat you to it. Hayton is the 2nd or 3rd or 4th most talented player on the Coyotes. He'd be a star if Tocchet knew how to coach. You just need to front-load your talent, so like just play Hayton with Hall and Kessel. Who cares about the bottom 6 of the roster. They should all just be $1M AHL replacement players. They don't matter. Just get some superstars, pay them $9M, and play them together. - Kooleus
I recall all the times that Tanner has told us he could be better than most of the GM's in the league just by using analytics. I just wonder how come Chayka, who is supposed to be an analytics expert is struggling so much? Analytics have been around for a significant period of time. Doesn't seem like the wonder kids are taking over from the old school. Any day now it will happen.
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I recall all the times that Tanner has told us he could be better than most of the GM's in the league just by using analytics. I just wonder how come Chayka, who is supposed to be an analytics expert is struggling so much? Analytics have been around for a significant period of time. Doesn't seem like the wonder kids are taking over from the old school. Any day now it will happen. - MJL
For one, I am not kidding when I say that. Most NHL GMs are brutal. Second, Chayka is mistakenly called an "analytics" guy when it's been clear for years now that he isn't. He has his own anayltics, and ideas, but he's nothing at all like Kyle Dubas, for instance. |
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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For one, I am not kidding when I say that. Most NHL GMs are brutal. Second, Chayka is mistakenly called an "analytics" guy when it's been clear for years now that he isn't. He has his own anayltics, and ideas, but he's nothing at all like Kyle Dubas, for instance. - James_Tanner
It's all about standing. How can you be taken seriously with the first comment when you can't even recognize Chayka's faults? Your other statements don't make much sense. Analytics is a general description. Every team has their own analytics. I've been trying to explain that to you for years. So whether it's the commonly available analytics that you so poorly rely on or proprietary analytics, the point remains the same. |
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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL Joined: 11.06.2015
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He acquired Deangelo for pennies and flipped his bad attitude for a number 2 center and number 1 goalie. Not a bad trade at all.
The Domi for Galchenyuk is questionable, but I’d take Kessel over Domi every day of the week for the next 4 years.
Strome for Schmaltz was a win. Strome sucks...even when he’s scoring his team play and defense sucks. He’s doomed to be a number 2 center on a no playoff team. I’d take Schmaltz every day.
Hjalmarsson is way better than Murphy.
Hall was worth the risk. He is a spectacular player and we were first in the division at the time. Still hope (and think he will) resign.
Kuemper was an amazing trade. Getting g rid of Mike Smith was amazing. Dvo, Chychrun, Schmaltz were great signings...OEL and Keller less so. Goligoski was a great signing...we are just at the tail end of his deal which is always a little overpriced.
I don’t get the hatred for Chayka. He’s taken the worst team in the league, most of the time they had no cash to spend, and no one wanted to come to a place that might get moved...he turned them in to playoff contenders at worst!
His biggest blunder?? Tocchet. I thought it was a bad hire the day he made it and still think it is. He’s a good assistant but not a good main guy. Need a stronger voice and leader in that spot. - Dahlmanyotes
From my perspective, Schmaltz and Strome are a wash. Strome has played quite well with CHI. Yes, there are nights where he leaves much to be desired, but overall his game was good to start and has improved.
Hjalmarsson WAS better than Murphy. Right now they are about the same player, and Murphy is still trending up. They are both big defensive D-men that are very smart in their own end. Murphy brings a bit more offense to the game. |
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Kind of ironic that the two teams with the worst cap situation are competing for the same player... |
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yzermaneely
Anaheim Ducks |
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Location: Poway, CA Joined: 12.17.2011
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"Though Shall Not..." Seriously? Do you have a headline writer, or are you just virtue signaling that you've never actually seen the Ten Commandments? |
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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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For one, I am not kidding when I say that. Most NHL GMs are brutal. Second, Chayka is mistakenly called an "analytics" guy when it's been clear for years now that he isn't. He has his own anayltics, and ideas, but he's nothing at all like Kyle Dubas, for instance. - James_Tanner
Dubas is doing great.... |
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gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON Joined: 02.01.2016
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"Though Shall Not..." Seriously? Do you have a headline writer, or are you just virtue signaling that you've never actually seen the Ten Commandments? - yzermaneely
"Those who don't live by the Corsi shall die by the Corsi!"
"Let my Kessel go!"
"Behold Raanta's mighty injured glove hand!"
"It would take more than Chayka to lead the Coyotes from NHL bondage."
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Tonybere
New York Rangers |
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Location: ON Joined: 02.04.2016
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"Though Shall Not..." Seriously? Do you have a headline writer, or are you just virtue signaling that you've never actually seen the Ten Commandments? - yzermaneely
To say nothing of misspelling a word/having a typo in your TITLE.
I see your work isn't even worthy of a close read-though by you either, eh Jimmy? |
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Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA Joined: 11.17.2018
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Analytics is da bomb.
Dubas and Chayka will show everyone. Can't believe a dinosaur like Holland was hired by Edmonton to turn things around. His first hire was dinosaur Tippett. That will fail. Dubas and Chayka will show everyone.
Chayka falls flat on his face.
Oh wait, he's not into analytics. He's looking at plus/minus instead of Corsi. He's just a young dinosaur I guess.
Dubas is da bomb. He'll show everyone. |
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From my perspective, Schmaltz and Strome are a wash. Strome has played quite well with CHI. Yes, there are nights where he leaves much to be desired, but overall his game was good to start and has improved.
Hjalmarsson WAS better than Murphy. Right now they are about the same player, and Murphy is still trending up. They are both big defensive D-men that are very smart in their own end. Murphy brings a bit more offense to the game. - Chunk
Hjallmarsson remains one of the NHL's only players who has zero offense and is still worth playing. He is likely still the best defensive defenseman in the NHL. Connor Murphy is - at best - a replacement player. He is not now nor will he ever be even close to providing the value Hjallmarsson. Unless he had some kind of breakout year in which he completely demolished his career expectations and trajectory.
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Analytics is da bomb.
Dubas and Chayka will show everyone. Can't believe a dinosaur like Holland was hired by Edmonton to turn things around. His first hire was dinosaur Tippett. That will fail. Dubas and Chayka will show everyone.
Chayka falls flat on his face.
Oh wait, he's not into analytics. He's looking at plus/minus instead of Corsi. He's just a young dinosaur I guess.
Dubas is da bomb. He'll show everyone. - Kooleus
I can tell you're not interested in a real discussion, but the general "analytics community" has long been mystified by Chayka. That isn't news. |
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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL Joined: 11.06.2015
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Hjallmarsson remains one of the NHL's only players who has zero offense and is still worth playing. He is likely still the best defensive defenseman in the NHL. Connor Murphy is - at best - a replacement player. He is not now nor will he ever be even close to providing the value Hjallmarsson. Unless he had some kind of breakout year in which he completely demolished his career expectations and trajectory. - James_Tanner
By what metric(s) are you basing this statement?
What specific expectations or trajectory, for Murphy, are you looking at? |
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Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA Joined: 11.17.2018
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I can tell you're not interested in a real discussion, but the general "analytics community" has long been mystified by Chayka. That isn't news. - James_Tanner
Can you define who belongs to "the analytics community". Like would you belong in that community? Or not? You seem to mention things like CORSI and WAR, but that shows you are lightyears behind all of the NHL teams. Every single one of them uses proprietary stats that are not available for public consumption. So if you are mystified by the "analysis" performed by Chayka, its simply because he's not using nonsense like CORSI and WAR. I believe others have been trying to explain this to you.
I like the moving goalposts on Hjalmarsson. So despite the terrible CORSI and WAR and whatever else you think is analytics, he's still a pretty good guy to have on the team? Shouldn't he be replaced by a $1M AHL'er so that you can add another Kessel to the team?
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Can you define who belongs to "the analytics community". Like would you belong in that community? Or not? You seem to mention things like CORSI and WAR, but that shows you are lightyears behind all of the NHL teams. Every single one of them uses proprietary stats that are not available for public consumption. So if you are mystified by the "analysis" performed by Chayka, its simply because he's not using nonsense like CORSI and WAR. I believe others have been trying to explain this to you.
I like the moving goalposts on Hjalmarsson. So despite the terrible CORSI and WAR and whatever else you think is analytics, he's still a pretty good guy to have on the team? Shouldn't he be replaced by a $1M AHL'er so that you can add another Kessel to the team? - Kooleus
This is like some flat earther republican explaining global warming to a scientist.
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