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James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 7 @ 3:58 PM ET
James Tanner: And on the 6th Day, He Said 'Though Shall Not Sign Barabanov'
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 7 @ 4:07 PM ET
I get the value of taking a chance on this Russian kid at such a little cost with zero risk. I do though laugh at how over hyped far too many of them get in off season. The chance this kid is back in Russian in two years is higher than it is he turns into a top 6 or even 9 forward.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 7 @ 4:17 PM ET
I get the value of taking a chance on this Russian kid at such a little cost with zero risk. I do though laugh at how over hyped far too many of them get in off season. The chance this kid is back in Russian in two years is higher than it is he turns into a top 6 or even 9 forward.
- Ross77



It's more about the salary cap than the player. In the NHL, other than elite star players, the most valuable player you can add to your roster is someone making a million bucks or less who can be a positive to the team while playing on the third or fourth line.

Barabanov is that for sure, and probably even has some second line upside.
MarkStoned
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.02.2015

Apr 7 @ 4:34 PM ET
Gladiator is not so bad ...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 4:45 PM ET
It's more about the salary cap than the player. In the NHL, other than elite star players, the most valuable player you can add to your roster is someone making a million bucks or less who can be a positive to the team while playing on the third or fourth line.

Barabanov is that for sure, and probably even has some second line upside.


- james_tanner


I agree with you 100% that having good young players coming in on ELC deals is of paramount importance in today's NHL. However it's not just the mid level players that are the issue with Arizona. The Kessel trade was a collossal blunder by Chayka. They sure could use that 1st round pick to add a good young player on an ELC. The Stepan deal was also an awful deal. Chayka has done an awful job managing the salary cap and the supposed analytic advantage has not materialized. Probably time for Arizona to cut bait with Chayka and make a change.

It wasn't that long ago that you were touting the Coyotes defense as tops in the NHL. Now they need to get rid of Goligoski and Demers.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 7 @ 4:57 PM ET
I agree with you 100% that having good young players coming in on ELC deals is of paramount importance in today's NHL. However it's not just the mid level players that are the issue with Arizona. The Kessel trade was a collossal blunder by Chayka. They sure could use that 1st round pick to add a good young player on an ELC. The Stepan deal was also an awful deal. Chayka has done an awful job managing the salary cap and the supposed analytic advantage has not materialized. Probably time for Arizona to cut bait with Chayka and make a change.

It wasn't that long ago that you were touting the Coyotes defense as tops in the NHL. Now they need to get rid of Goligoski and Demers.

- MJL



The biggest part to doing this job - or any job for that matter - is constantly learning. I probably think everything I ever wrote was stupid and would be my own harshest critic. Every day I learn more about hockey and I would rather apply that as I go than hold to some crap I said last year just cause I said it.

I think Kid Rock once said ' A foolish consistency is the hoggoblin of the trailor park.'
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 5:02 PM ET
The biggest part to doing this job - or any job for that matter - is constantly learning. I probably think everything I ever wrote was stupid and would be my own harshest critic. Every day I learn more about hockey and I would rather apply that as I go than hold to some crap I said last year just cause I said it.

I think Kid Rock once said ' A foolish consistency is the hoggoblin of the trailor park.'

- James_Tanner



I really don't disagree with much of what you've written here about the Coyotes situation. I'm glad to see that you're learning because another thing that didn't happen that long ago was when I told you that Chayka was building the team the wrong way and making a lot of mistakes. You disagreed with me then but I'm glad to see that you're learning and coming around. Maybe this will help you turn the corner somewhat. We'll see.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 7 @ 5:04 PM ET
I really don't disagree with much of what you've written here about the Coyotes situation. I'm glad to see that you're learning because another thing that didn't happen that long ago was when I told you that Chayka was building the team the wrong way and making a lot of mistakes. You disagreed with me then but I'm glad to see that you're learning and coming around. Maybe this will help you turn the corner somewhat. We'll see.
- MJL



I don't really think Chayka is doing a bad job. You have to understand that he's working in a market where really the only way to compete is to hit a home run or two on all those long term deals.

He also has to try and make the playoffs too. He's done about as good as a half-ass measure can ever work. What he really should have done is can Tocchett years ago, find a more modern coach, and tank.
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Apr 7 @ 5:43 PM ET
Last year you touted Dvorak as an excellent contract. Chayka is betting on his own players. Now Dvorak is just another bad contract that you want to get rid of. Give it a couple of years and you will be saying the same about Schmaltz and Keller. I recall a few people trying to explain that Chayka was locking up mediocre talent to terrible deals. But you just dismissed everyone for not understanding the concept of betting on your own players. Sorry, but there is a huge difference between betting on Roman Josi for $4M or betting on McKinnon for $6M. That was locking up young players before they became superstars. Chayka can't assess talent (notice how many trades he's been fleeced on) so has locked up the wrong guys. Might as well accept that now instead of constantly defending him!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 5:46 PM ET
I don't really think Chayka is doing a bad job. You have to understand that he's working in a market where really the only way to compete is to hit a home run or two on all those long term deals.

He also has to try and make the playoffs too. He's done about as good as a half-ass measure can ever work. What he really should have done is can Tocchett years ago, find a more modern coach, and tank.

- James_Tanner


I disagree. I think he should be let go. Stick to drafting and developing. He tried to rush the process. They needed to do what Hextall did with the Flyers. Tocchett isn't the issue, although I'm not sold on him completely. Chayka is the issue. When is the analytic advantage going to kick in?
oldstyle
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Just outside the asylum, ON
Joined: 08.19.2013

Apr 7 @ 6:23 PM ET
psst...it's spelled Hobgoblin.
A Hoggoblin is just a pig with bad attitude.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 7 @ 6:30 PM ET
When you say $9M player, are you saying pick among the guys who are currently making around $9M, or a "theoretical" player that is worth $9M.

The reason I ask is the former has quite a few duds.

One thing Chayka could start doing is stop trading with Chicago. Pretty much every trade they have made have just been rearranging furniture.

Hjalmarsson/Murphy - they are basically the same guy. Somewhat often injured defensive Dmen.

Strome, Perlini/Schmaltz - only advantage here was the Yotes got rid of Perlini.

Hossa, Hinostroza, et al / Marcus Kruger? and spare parts. I guess AZ wins this with Hinostroza, but that's not a high bar to clear.

I don't follow AZ enough to have a well informed opinion on Chayka, but these moves really didn't do much for the team (especially when the Hawks were able to find an ample replacement in Dominik Kahun as a Euro FA).
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 7 @ 6:34 PM ET
I disagree. I think he should be let go. Stick to drafting and developing. He tried to rush the process. They needed to do what Hextall did with the Flyers. Tocchett isn't the issue, although I'm not sold on him completely. Chayka is the issue. When is the analytic advantage going to kick in?
- MJL


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why Hextall got fired? He tried to rush the process and made some questionable moves. It could be that upper management gets antsy and says "get there faster".
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Apr 7 @ 6:58 PM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why Hextall got fired? He tried to rush the process and made some questionable moves. It could be that upper management gets antsy and says "get there faster".
- Chunk

No. Hexy didn't get to finish his plan. Drafting and developing. It wasn't going fast enough for ownership so he was axed. I thought he did an outstanding job cleaning up Holmgren's colossal mess. Hextall was served a warm sandwich.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 7 @ 7:05 PM ET
No. Hexy didn't get to finish his plan. Drafting and developing. It wasn't going fast enough for ownership so he was axed. I thought he did an outstanding job cleaning up Holmgren's colossal mess. Hextall was served a warm sandwich.
- gergeswillems


Gotcha. Thanks for the clarity. Same basic concept, just without the bad moves.
Levit8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Joined: 07.24.2015

Apr 7 @ 7:16 PM ET
No. Hexy didn't get to finish his plan. Drafting and developing. It wasn't going fast enough for ownership so he was axed. I thought he did an outstanding job cleaning up Holmgren's colossal mess. Hextall was served a warm sandwich.
- gergeswillems


Allegedly, he refused to fire Hackstol when it was clear that the team was not responding to him. It's debatable which is the main reason for his firing.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Apr 7 @ 7:25 PM ET
Allegedly, he refused to fire Hackstol when it was clear that the team was not responding to him. It's debatable which is the main reason for his firing.
- Levit8

Perhaps it was both? I found it laughable that Holmgren got to stay and Hextall was fired. After he literally cleaned up his mess. Is Holmgren Philly's version of Kevin Lowe?
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Apr 7 @ 7:27 PM ET
No. Hexy didn't get to finish his plan. Drafting and developing. It wasn't going fast enough for ownership so he was axed. I thought he did an outstanding job cleaning up Holmgren's colossal mess. Hextall was served a warm sandwich.
- gergeswillems


Hextall took over with empty cupboards. He was patient, accumulated draft picks, seemed to draft pretty well, and when he was fired the Flyers were ranked as the #1 organization in prospects. I thought he was a great GM. But ownership lost patience.

The big issue, which Hextall spoke about after he was fired was about Carter Hart. The Flyers desperately needed a goalie upgrade following the 2018 season with Elliott and Neuvirth. Ownership wanted him to be bold in free agency. But he didn't want to lock anyone up knowing he had 19 year old Carter Hart in the wings. When he failed to upgrade during the summer, ownership wanted him to bring up Hart. Hextall thought he was too young to be thrown into the fire. So they fired Hextall and recalled Hart a week later.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 7:33 PM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why Hextall got fired? He tried to rush the process and made some questionable moves. It could be that upper management gets antsy and says "get there faster".
- Chunk


No it was just the opposite. Upper management felt that he was being too patient and wasn't aggressive enough. That he had an "action bias".
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 7:34 PM ET
Allegedly, he refused to fire Hackstol when it was clear that the team was not responding to him. It's debatable which is the main reason for his firing.
- Levit8



Nothing to do with that. There were no reports about that.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Apr 7 @ 7:36 PM ET
Hextall took over with empty cupboards. He was patient, accumulated draft picks, seemed to draft pretty well, and when he was fired the Flyers were ranked as the #1 organization in prospects. I thought he was a great GM. But ownership lost patience.

The big issue, which Hextall spoke about after he was fired was about Carter Hart. The Flyers desperately needed a goalie upgrade following the 2018 season with Elliott and Neuvirth. Ownership wanted him to be bold in free agency. But he didn't want to lock anyone up knowing he had 19 year old Carter Hart in the wings. When he failed to upgrade during the summer, ownership wanted him to bring up Hart. Hextall thought he was too young to be thrown into the fire. So they fired Hextall and recalled Hart a week later.

- Kooleus

Ah yes. I remember that. Fast tracking Hart wasn't part of the Hexy Plan. I'd say he's more than qualified to know about what's best for a young goalie. I thought it was a mistake throwing Hart into the fire but he seems to have responded to it. I still think Hexy got hosed. "Thanks for cleaning up Quick Fix Holmgren's mess. Thanks for stocking the team with blue chip prospects. Now beat it. We'll take credit for all of your hard work now."
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 7:42 PM ET
Ah yes. I remember that. Fast tracking Hart wasn't part of the Hexy Plan. I'd say he's more than qualified to know about what's best for a young goalie. I thought it was a mistake throwing Hart into the fire but he seems to have responded to it. I still think Hexy got hosed. "Thanks for cleaning up Quick Fix Holmgren's mess. Thanks for stocking the team with blue chip prospects. Now beat it. We'll take credit for all of your hard work now."
- gergeswillems


I agree with you. Hextall got the shaft. He was brought into change the course and move away from being a capped out team with no prospect base that trying to win every year under Holmgren left them in. It took 2-3 years just to fix the cap and build up the prospect base. Management lost patience and wanted to get back to winning. Don't know what Hextall would've done and Fletcher has done a real nice job but that doesn't change my mind on the Hextall firing.
Dahlmanyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 06.15.2015

Apr 7 @ 7:42 PM ET
Of course they would love to hand $9M to a number one center. But they are near impossible to acquire, so rather than waiting another decade trying to find one, a strategy of building a team of number 2 centers on every line is a sound strategy.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 7 @ 7:46 PM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why Hextall got fired? He tried to rush the process and made some questionable moves. It could be that upper management gets antsy and says "get there faster".
- Chunk


Yeah no one should be trying to emulate ron hextall my god
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 7 @ 7:47 PM ET
Of course they would love to hand $9M to a number one center. But they are near impossible to acquire, so rather than waiting another decade trying to find one, a strategy of building a team of number 2 centers on every line is a sound strategy.
- Dahlmanyotes


You just need elite players it doesn't really matter where
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