How about Jack Johnson for Maatta straight up?
- MattStrat

Roenick could help us get Kathryn Tappen.
- rpeters01

Oh my that would be interesting...

It is most certainly time to sell, especially given the returns we're seeing with other sellers. LA got a great return for Toffoli, a 2nd and Madden is pretty damn good. Madden may not be an A level prospects easily a solid B+ and the Canucks have been pumping his tires since they drafted him.

Stan should be all for dealing Gus and Lehner at these prices. If somebody is willing to take on Maatta then got for it. I'm a huge Saad fan but Stan shouldn't be shy about trading him if the deal is right.

Stan should also listen to offers on Caggiula, as much as I'd hate to see him go.

I don't expect Stan to sell-off too many assets at the deadline, maybe 1-2 deals.
- DarthKane

Will see what Stanbo does but I’d for sure be listening on all these guys and hopefully the Hawks can benefit form some good ole’ deadline desperation.

At the very least he should be able to get something for Gus. If it’s accurate the reported money Lehner is looking for, hopefully Bowman can find a trade partner for him too.

Will see what Stanbo does but I’d for sure be listening on all these guys and hopefully the Hawks can benefit form some good ole’ deadline desperation.

At the very least he should be able to get something for Gus. If it’s accurate the reported money Lehner is looking for, hopefully Bowman can find a trade partner for him too.
- HawkintheD

The way I look at it, whatever he gets for Lehner is a plus, it only cost a prorated $5 mil., we didn’t pay any player assets or draft choices for him. If he nets a 2nd rounder, still a win in my book.

Imo Chicago should be open To a full scale fire sale and rebuild. Toews and Kane will be 32 next year it's hard to imagine this team can make the playoffs let alone win another cup with the scarce resources they have and the salary constraints.

Crawford , Lehner, Gus, saad , strome , Keith, Maatta, murphy should all be on the table and maybe you approach Kane and see if he is willing to waive his NMC.

Chicago needs high end prospects and high draft picks to fully restock Rockford with up and coming youth.

Instead of a 10 year wasted rebuild that never pans out cut your losses and embrace a true rebuild.

Fire Stan at the end of the season and put in place a competent GM and scouting staff .

Imo Chicago should be open To a full scale fire sale and rebuild. Toews and Kane will be 32 next year it's hard to imagine this team can make the playoffs let alone win another cup with the scarce resources they have and the salary constraints.

Crawford , Lehner, Gus, saad , strome , Keith, Maatta, murphy should all be on the table and maybe you approach Kane and see if he is willing to waive his NMC.

Chicago needs high end prospects and high draft picks to fully restock Rockford with up and coming youth.

Instead of a 10 year wasted rebuild that never pans out cut your losses and embrace a true rebuild.

Fire Stan at the end of the season and put in place a competent GM and scouting staff .
- Taylorst1

Please explain what makes Bowman and the Hawk’s scouting staff incompetent. Just because you allude to them being incompetent doesn’t prove they are.

Imo Chicago should be open To a full scale fire sale and rebuild. Toews and Kane will be 32 next year it's hard to imagine this team can make the playoffs let alone win another cup with the scarce resources they have and the salary constraints.

Crawford , Lehner, Gus, saad , strome , Keith, Maatta, murphy should all be on the table and maybe you approach Kane and see if he is willing to waive his NMC.

Chicago needs high end prospects and high draft picks to fully restock Rockford with up and coming youth.

Instead of a 10 year wasted rebuild that never pans out cut your losses and embrace a true rebuild.

Fire Stan at the end of the season and put in place a competent GM and scouting staff .
- Taylorst1

How long does a “full scale” rebuild take? What does it look like? What does the hockey look like while it is going on? How long do the fans accept that crap hockey during said rebuild, and what kind of coach is required to shepherd the team through that?

We are currently about two years into a rebuild right now.

Please explain what makes Bowman and the Hawk’s scouting staff incompetent. Just because you allude to them being incompetent doesn’t prove they are.
- paulr

how many rebuilds has Stan shown he can accomplish. Stan was handed a young talented , deep team. More than not his trades , resignings and draft choices have been a negative .

Stan created his own nightmare with Chicago's salary cap situation knowing full well it would hurt this teams ability to compete after 2015.

I keep hearing the excuse when you win you don't get The value of high prospects , that's not 100% true cat , saad as examples where late round picks. Picking first doesn't guarantee that player either will be a game changer , strome, Nylander mediocre at best.

It's just time for change , Stans worn out his welcome IMO.
His Crap shoot projects , nyla dear, strome , koekkoek haven't turned out that great.

Imo Chicago should be open To a full scale fire sale and rebuild. Toews and Kane will be 32 next year it's hard to imagine this team can make the playoffs let alone win another cup with the scarce resources they have and the salary constraints.

Crawford , Lehner, Gus, saad , strome , Keith, Maatta, murphy should all be on the table and maybe you approach Kane and see if he is willing to waive his NMC.

Chicago needs high end prospects and high draft picks to fully restock Rockford with up and coming youth.

Instead of a 10 year wasted rebuild that never pans out cut your losses and embrace a true rebuild.

Fire Stan at the end of the season and put in place a competent GM and scouting staff .
- Taylorst1

I'm on board. He should see what he could get for Dach, Boqvist and Mitchell too. Complete teardown.

how many rebuilds has Stan shown he can accomplish. Stan was handed a young talented , deep team. More than not his trades , resignings and draft choices have been a negative .

Stan created his own nightmare with Chicago's salary cap situation knowing full well it would hurt this teams ability to compete after 2015.

I keep hearing the excuse when you win you don't get The value of high prospects , that's not 100% true cat , saad as examples where late round picks. Picking first doesn't guarantee that player either will be a game changer , strome, Nylander mediocre at best.

It's just time for change , Stans worn out his welcome IMO.
His Crap shoot projects , nyla dear, strome , koekkoek haven't turned out that great.
- Taylorst1

Maybe it is time for change. Idk...but, exactly how many rebuilds has Stan had the opportunity to fail at?

How long does a “full scale” rebuild take? What does it look like? What does the hockey look like while it is going on? How long do the fans accept that crap hockey during said rebuild, and what kind of coach is required to shepherd the team through that?

We are currently about two years into a rebuild right now.
- Chunk

Morning chunk the teams been on the decline since after winning their 3rd cup . I'm not sure you can say Chicago has been in a rebuild , I'd say Stan has been tinkering around the edges at best.

Imo why waste 3 or 4 more years tinkering around with not making any true progress not being a team that will contend a weak farm team with mediocre talent all to avoid the inevitable.

Chicago's salary cap problems won't resolve itself until Keith , Seabrook, toews and Kane come off the books.

To Chicago-Johnson, Asplund and a 2nd or 3rd
To Buffalo- Strome

Grubauer, Byram and Bowers for Lehner, Saad, Gus and Beaudin.
- DarthKane

AND Alex Newhook...could be a few adjustments, but that seems fair

The real standings
____ GP PTS PTS/G
Av's . 58 73 1.259 1st Cen
Blues . 59 74 1.254 2nd Cen (tie)
Stars . 59 74 1.254 2nd Cen (tie)
Oilers . 59 70 1.186 1st Pac
Canucks. 59 69 1.169 2nd Pac
Knights . 61 70 1.148 3rd Pac
Preds . 58 65 1.121 WC
Flames . 61 68 1.115 WC
Yotes . 62 68 1.097
Jets . 60 65 1.083
Wild . 58 61 1.052
Hawks . 59 60 1.017
Sharks . 59 56 0.949
Ducks . 59 55 0.932
Kings . 59 47 0.797

Currently lottery position
1 Wings 61 32 0.525
2 Kings 59 47 0.797
3 Sens 59 51 0.864
4 Devils 58 54 0.931
5 Ducks 59 55 0.932
6 Sharks 59 56 0.949
7 Canad. 61 62 1.016
8 Hawks 59 60 1.017
9 Sabres 59 62 1.051
10 Wild 58 61 1.052
11 Rangers 58 64 1.103

Maybe it is time for change. Idk...but, exactly how many rebuilds has Stan had the opportunity to fail at?
- HawkintheD

I understand your point that Stan has never had to experience a rebuild. However Stans tenure has been overlooked by Chicago's deep bench and a young talented group he inherited.

His hits where far from few and IMO complacency has set in the organization .
I just think it's time for change.

Big TDL. Bowman needs to take control of this and make moves for the future. Doesn't have to be 10 years out, but he can and should make moves that will help the Hawks as soon as next year.

He can't be loyal, he should move who needs to move for the better of the team. Also, while I admire Duncan Keith's desire to "win now", Bowman is the GM, part of "not being in the room" means he can be objective. He has to take control and make moves for the long term viability of this franchise. If Keith pouts about it, there is your first BIG move of the TDL, trade him for a #1 and a top prospect, at minimum.

And the last thing I'll be watching from Stan is if he moves a goalie. It would be a catastrophic failure by Bowman to hold onto two high quality veteran goalies who are both UFAs when multiple playoff teams would kill to get either of them and would likely bring back a decent return.

To NOT trade either and to lose one of them as a UFA when he could have gotten something for him at this TDL will say everything I need to hear about this GM. If he makes the tough call, trades one of these guys then it tells me he has a firm handle on the rudder. If he sits on his ass eating popcorn, we get nothing for them while 1 of them walks (which absolutely will happen) in UFA it tells me this GM is clueless.

We. Will. See.

Bogosian is terrible. Just bring up Carlsson and Glibert. Buffalo is about to terminate Bogosian's contract. They don't need anyone to take him off their hands.
- Elbows15

He may be terrible. But we have the cap room and we may get and additional asset with him. And if we trade Gus and Maatta he would only be playing the last month. He could be a 7th defender if we move Gus and Maatta. Keep Gilbert playing the rest of the year at his level in the Rock.

Buffalo can suspend him and his $5.14 will come off of the cap. But they cannot terminate him without his agreement. If he reports to the AHL $4.14 mil goes against their cap. I do not see him walking way from about $1.6 mil (prorated last 22 games of his contract). https://buffalonews.com/2...chester-amerks-news-2020/

Big TDL. Bowman needs to take control of this and make moves for the future. Doesn't have to be 10 years out, but he can and should make moves that will help the Hawks as soon as next year.

He can't be loyal, he should move who needs to move for the better of the team. Also, while I admire Duncan Keith's desire to "win now", Bowman is the GM, part of "not being in the room" means he can be objective. He has to take control and make moves for the long term viability of this franchise. If Keith pouts about it, there is your first BIG move of the TDL, trade him for a #1 and a top prospect, at minimum.

And the last thing I'll be watching from Stan is if he moves a goalie. It would be a catastrophic failure by Bowman to hold onto two high quality veteran goalies who are both UFAs when multiple playoff teams would kill to get either of them and would likely bring back a decent return.

To NOT trade either and to lose one of them as a UFA when he could have gotten something for him at this TDL will say everything I need to hear about this GM. If he makes the tough call, trades one of these guys then it tells me he has a firm handle on the rudder. If he sits on his ass eating popcorn, we get nothing for them while 1 of them walks (which absolutely will happen) in UFA it tells me this GM is clueless.

We. Will. See.
- kwolf68

I'm not against trading Keith, my only concern is if he is traded does that make signing Mitchell a little bit harder? If that is the case, and he is in talks about moving Keith, maybe trading Mitchell's rights in the same deal could bring back a higher package.

I don't understand why people are saying to trade DeBrincat after one bad season. This is the type of player you need as part of the retooling/rebuild/whatever you want to call it. Why trade this established player for picks/prospects that are likely to amount to nothing?

Big TDL. Bowman needs to take control of this and make moves for the future. Doesn't have to be 10 years out, but he can and should make moves that will help the Hawks as soon as next year.

He can't be loyal, he should move who needs to move for the better of the team. Also, while I admire Duncan Keith's desire to "win now", Bowman is the GM, part of "not being in the room" means he can be objective. He has to take control and make moves for the long term viability of this franchise. If Keith pouts about it, there is your first BIG move of the TDL, trade him for a #1 and a top prospect, at minimum.

And the last thing I'll be watching from Stan is if he moves a goalie. It would be a catastrophic failure by Bowman to hold onto two high quality veteran goalies who are both UFAs when multiple playoff teams would kill to get either of them and would likely bring back a decent return.

To NOT trade either and to lose one of them as a UFA when he could have gotten something for him at this TDL will say everything I need to hear about this GM. If he makes the tough call, trades one of these guys then it tells me he has a firm handle on the rudder. If he sits on his ass eating popcorn, we get nothing for them while 1 of them walks (which absolutely will happen) in UFA it tells me this GM is clueless.

We. Will. See.
- kwolf68

Bowman does not need to make moves. He needs to sell smart if there is a trading partner and the trade makes long term sense.
Keith is in total control with his NMC.
There may not be much of a market for either rental goalie. It would also send a message to the team. I am ok with him trading either or both goalies in the right deal. If we keep them and neither are resigned we get something, $11 mil in cap space.

I would have to be overwhelmed with an offer to move Keith. He is playing some very good hockey. He may have lost a step but can still play big minutes. He is a top pairing defender on most teams. He is at least a 2nd pairing defender on every team. He has a very manageable cap hit for 3 more years. He could help transition the younger dmen in the pipeline (Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin). If deHaan comes back strong next year and Mitchell is signed and proves to be NHL ready the top 6 D is not looking so bad.

Keith
deHaan
Murphy
Boqvist
Mitchell
then pick one of Seabs, K4, Maatta, Gus, Seeler,

How long does a “full scale” rebuild take? What does it look like? What does the hockey look like while it is going on? How long do the fans accept that crap hockey during said rebuild, and what kind of coach is required to shepherd the team through that?

We are currently about two years into a rebuild right now.
- Chunk

Agree, how long has it taken Toronto to tear down and rebuild, and still in danger of missing the playoffs.

Why would they use a first round pick for a goalie if they don't have to? All it takes is waiting out Bowman. If Toronto doesn't make it into the playoffs and their pick is protected this year that pick may be even more valuable next year.
- lemieux_66

Read the trade. Their pick is protected if it's 10. It's unlikely the Leafs fall that low.

Lehner would easily get a 1st round seeing that Toronto gave a 2nd, 3rd, and prospect for a backup goalie and washed up 4th liner.

Agree, how long has it taken Toronto to tear down and rebuild, and still in danger of missing the playoffs.
- LAHawk

Agree. Toronto, Edmonton, Buffalo, Carolina, Canucks, etc... Name a team that has gone into full rebuild and come back quickly. For each one you name there are teams that kept retooling and came back. Boston, Pittsburgh, Dallas. Each situation is so individual based on core players, prospect pool, cap space, what division you are in, etc....

I think you continually are trying to upgrade your team and have to assess the opportunities presented to you by various trade partners. Call it rebuild, retooling or whatever you want.

Ultimately you need to get a little lucky that a couple prospects, picks, signees, or trade acquisitions turn out to be stars. Think Sharpie (trade), Hjalmarsson (4th round pick), Hossa (FA signee).

Imo Chicago should be open To a full scale fire sale and rebuild. Toews and Kane will be 32 next year it's hard to imagine this team can make the playoffs let alone win another cup with the scarce resources they have and the salary constraints.

Crawford , Lehner, Gus, saad , strome , Keith, Maatta, murphy should all be on the table and maybe you approach Kane and see if he is willing to waive his NMC.

Chicago needs high end prospects and high draft picks to fully restock Rockford with up and coming youth.

Instead of a 10 year wasted rebuild that never pans out cut your losses and embrace a true rebuild.

Fire Stan at the end of the season and put in place a competent GM and scouting staff .
- Taylorst1

You know why I don't give your posts much credence? Because you want Stan to sell, sell, sell, but then fire him at the end of the year. Why in the heck would you want a guy you think is incompetent to sell assets? AND THEN fire him? That's just plain ridiculous. Also, I think you need to compare all GMs and see where they succeed and fail before you just blurt out how awful Stan is. All GMs make good moves and bad moves (except Chiarelli).

The team is closer to contending then they are to falling off the map in the grand scheme of things. Not this year, but overall. If they can resign Lehner and fix the defensive scheme (whether that's a coaching change or system change or both), and I think they are near the top of the division. That being said, Gus will want too much, trade him now. They have Boqvist to take his spot.