Guest Writer: Firing of Ray Shero was impulsive, impetuous, and idiotic

That seems a bit harsh, or perhaps premature. Fitz was interviewed for the GM position for a few teams previously. Let's see what he does at deadline before passing judgement.

I did like Shero and wasn't happy he was fired.

I had to start an account on this website just so I could state what a ridiculous, impatient (Is that what impetuous means?) , and half-witted article you have written. Idk about just exactly who the writers on this site are, but you should be held to a higher standard.

You could've written about all the ways that Shero truly is dedicated, experienced and professional, yet instead you went full buzzfeed into the mind of Josh Harris. I mean I understand anger, but you don't seem angry. From the way you delivered this article, you actually seem to be about as involved in NJ Devils organization as Tom Fitzgerald. That's the only way I can picture someone bringing such in depth analysis as reading Josh Harris' mind. Are you Tom Fitz? Are you venting?

The fact that Devils are in bad shape is an article that's 4 months late. But what you call a Josh Harris hand grenade, I think you mistook for Ray Shero shooting himself in the foot. The man wasted $50 million dollars and delayed the team's playoff years by a full season, then scrambled to fire his coach of like a decade unceremoniously cause the guy couldn't roll the Frankenstein this dude created. Don't get me wrong I think it was time for a coaching change, but his firing was premature, unnecessary and crass. I say premature because while Devils are developing, he's still the right coach and I can't think of anyone better that's available. Players do thrive under him and he deserves a lot of praise for buiding confidence. He should've been rewarded come playoff time, meaning 2021 when the season games matter and he should absolutely be held accountable for the record he brings, and at that point Shero should already have lined someone up in the worst case scenario that Hynes continued to be outcoached regularly. He also didn't extend hands down, one of the best players in the world. If wasting $50 million doesn't get you fired, then that alone would do it. Maybe the ownership learned their lesson with Lou. If guy lets talent walk, he should walk as well.

So last off-season Shero decided to lose his mind, then what? Well, Game 1 Hynes should've been fired. Game 2 should've been his second chance. Game 3 should've been Tom FItz behind the bench with Nas while they look for a new coach. There's your 3rd reason Shero should've been fired.

I've always been a huge Shero fan, but it's not even close to a debate. We have to assume he was given a deadline and the signings this off-season were done in desperation or a Hail Mary. Even so, for all the shrewd calculated dealings and business moves that Shero has achieved, he showed that he'd rather save face than leave his organization in best shape. I'm more worried for Shero finding work than Harris attracting potential GM's.

Even so, other points of the article are equally ridiculous. You fault Harris for not knowing what he's doing but don't acknowledge that the ownership are the one that gave him a job here in the first place. Clearly they could recognize his talent. Clearly they believed in him and the assistant GM which is there for this exact scenario or until they're ready to step up elsewhere as full GM of operations. Clearly theyve always believed in the entire staff. But Shero has done 3 things from 2019-2022, of which any single one should've been a huge red flag. That time span includes few deals made that contribute to the literal $50 million wasted such as Wood's extention and Butcher's.

He obviously wasn't fired for the things he's done right. Seriously, why does someone have to point this out to you? Since off season, Shero has undone a majority of the results he has garnered. Gusev, Simmonds, and Subban have no business being on this team. Hell, Palmieri, Vatanen, Hall and Coleman should've all been gone by this trade deadline as well. Why? Because pick a (frank)ing lane. Can't trade Hall, Keep Vatanen, let another guy go and wait till another gets injured and loses trade value and sit on the decision until no one knows what to (frank)ing do. If anything can be learned about Shero about the Hall situation, is that he wasn't willing to do anything until he absolutely had to do something. (frank) that. Could've gotten 2 1st picks if he was traded in the off season. Now I gotta watch this team get gutted of my favorite players anyway while being last in the league again.

I had to start an account on this website just so I could state what a ridiculous, impatient (Is that what impetuous means?) , and half-witted article you have written. Idk about just exactly who the writers on this site are, but you should be held to a higher standard.

You could've written about all the ways that Shero truly is dedicated, experienced and professional, yet instead you went full buzzfeed into the mind of Josh Harris. I mean I understand anger, but you don't seem angry. From the way you delivered this article, you actually seem to be about as involved in NJ Devils organization as Tom Fitzgerald. That's the only way I can picture someone bringing such in depth analysis as reading Josh Harris' mind. Are you Tom Fitz? Are you venting?

The fact that Devils are in bad shape is an article that's 4 months late. But what you call a Josh Harris hand grenade, I think you mistook for Ray Shero shooting himself in the foot. The man wasted $50 million dollars and delayed the team's playoff years by a full season, then scrambled to fire his coach of like a decade unceremoniously cause the guy couldn't roll the Frankenstein this dude created. Don't get me wrong I think it was time for a coaching change, but his firing was premature, unnecessary and crass. I say premature because while Devils are developing, he's still the right coach and I can't think of anyone better that's available. Players do thrive under him and he deserves a lot of praise for buiding confidence. He should've been rewarded come playoff time, meaning 2021 when the season games matter and he should absolutely be held accountable for the record he brings, and at that point Shero should already have lined someone up in the worst case scenario that Hynes continued to be outcoached regularly. He also didn't extend hands down, one of the best players in the world. If wasting $50 million doesn't get you fired, then that alone would do it. Maybe the ownership learned their lesson with Lou. If guy lets talent walk, he should walk as well.

So last off-season Shero decided to lose his mind, then what? Well, Game 1 Hynes should've been fired. Game 2 should've been his second chance. Game 3 should've been Tom FItz behind the bench with Nas while they look for a new coach. There's your 3rd reason Shero should've been fired.

I've always been a huge Shero fan, but it's not even close to a debate. We have to assume he was given a deadline and the signings this off-season were done in desperation or a Hail Mary. Even so, for all the shrewd calculated dealings and business moves that Shero has achieved, he showed that he'd rather save face than leave his organization in best shape. I'm more worried for Shero finding work than Harris attracting potential GM's.

Even so, other points of the article are equally ridiculous. You fault Harris for not knowing what he's doing but don't acknowledge that the ownership are the one that gave him a job here in the first place. Clearly they could recognize his talent. Clearly they believed in him and the assistant GM which is there for this exact scenario or until they're ready to step up elsewhere as full GM of operations. Clearly theyve always believed in the entire staff. But Shero has done 3 things from 2019-2022, of which any single one should've been a huge red flag. That time span includes few deals made that contribute to the literal $50 million wasted such as Wood's extention and Butcher's.
- FrizzleFreigh

I thought the article was off track, but this post is as bad. There is a lot of blame to go around, but do it professionally.

I thought the article was off track, but this post is as bad. There is a lot of blame to go around, but do it professionally.
- redmonsters

You're absolutely right. There is plenty of blame to go around including the ownership, which I forgot to add. However the Shero defenders are stuck in 2019 season.

How they are perplexed about his firing is disillusionment at its finest. If I steal a stapler from work, I might honestly be fired. Shero wasted $50 million dollars, lost his superstar and his team is still almost dead last in every discernable and significant stat category. You wouldn't fire the guy?

Stick to hockey talk and try avoiding movie references.... Hooper was Richard Dreyfus and chief Brody was played by Roy Scheider... just saying...
🎶Farewell and adieu to your poor movie reference🎶

Should have let Ray navigate the TDL. Trading is his best attribute.

I had to start an account on this website just so I could state what a ridiculous, impatient (Is that what impetuous means?) , and half-witted article you have written. Idk about just exactly who the writers on this site are, but you should be held to a higher standard.

You could've written about all the ways that Shero truly is dedicated, experienced and professional, yet instead you went full buzzfeed into the mind of Josh Harris. I mean I understand anger, but you don't seem angry. From the way you delivered this article, you actually seem to be about as involved in NJ Devils organization as Tom Fitzgerald. That's the only way I can picture someone bringing such in depth analysis as reading Josh Harris' mind. Are you Tom Fitz? Are you venting?

The fact that Devils are in bad shape is an article that's 4 months late. But what you call a Josh Harris hand grenade, I think you mistook for Ray Shero shooting himself in the foot. The man wasted $50 million dollars and delayed the team's playoff years by a full season, then scrambled to fire his coach of like a decade unceremoniously cause the guy couldn't roll the Frankenstein this dude created. Don't get me wrong I think it was time for a coaching change, but his firing was premature, unnecessary and crass. I say premature because while Devils are developing, he's still the right coach and I can't think of anyone better that's available. Players do thrive under him and he deserves a lot of praise for buiding confidence. He should've been rewarded come playoff time, meaning 2021 when the season games matter and he should absolutely be held accountable for the record he brings, and at that point Shero should already have lined someone up in the worst case scenario that Hynes continued to be outcoached regularly. He also didn't extend hands down, one of the best players in the world. If wasting $50 million doesn't get you fired, then that alone would do it. Maybe the ownership learned their lesson with Lou. If guy lets talent walk, he should walk as well.

So last off-season Shero decided to lose his mind, then what? Well, Game 1 Hynes should've been fired. Game 2 should've been his second chance. Game 3 should've been Tom FItz behind the bench with Nas while they look for a new coach. There's your 3rd reason Shero should've been fired.

I've always been a huge Shero fan, but it's not even close to a debate. We have to assume he was given a deadline and the signings this off-season were done in desperation or a Hail Mary. Even so, for all the shrewd calculated dealings and business moves that Shero has achieved, he showed that he'd rather save face than leave his organization in best shape. I'm more worried for Shero finding work than Harris attracting potential GM's.

Even so, other points of the article are equally ridiculous. You fault Harris for not knowing what he's doing but don't acknowledge that the ownership are the one that gave him a job here in the first place. Clearly they could recognize his talent. Clearly they believed in him and the assistant GM which is there for this exact scenario or until they're ready to step up elsewhere as full GM of operations. Clearly theyve always believed in the entire staff. But Shero has done 3 things from 2019-2022, of which any single one should've been a huge red flag. That time span includes few deals made that contribute to the literal $50 million wasted such as Wood's extention and Butcher's.

He obviously wasn't fired for the things he's done right. Seriously, why does someone have to point this out to you? Since off season, Shero has undone a majority of the results he has garnered. Gusev, Simmonds, and Subban have no business being on this team. Hell, Palmieri, Vatanen, Hall and Coleman should've all been gone by this trade deadline as well. Why? Because pick a (frank)ing lane. Can't trade Hall, Keep Vatanen, let another guy go and wait till another gets injured and loses trade value and sit on the decision until no one knows what to (frank)ing do. If anything can be learned about Shero about the Hall situation, is that he wasn't willing to do anything until he absolutely had to do something. (frank) that. Could've gotten 2 1st picks if he was traded in the off season. Now I gotta watch this team get gutted of my favorite players anyway while being last in the league again.
- FrizzleFreigh

I don't believe in Santa Claus
I don't believe in spite
I have no use for beauty dolls
Especially on this night

The devils are literally 5* moves away from turning this all around. Please see below:

1.HIT on this year's first-round pick (likely #4-#6). They need to go and find their version of Rantanen or Werenski that they missed out on in 2015. No excuse for having a farm system without a top-end talent in the pipeline, especially with all of the picks they've had the past five years. Need a winger or D, center depth looks nice with Hischier-Hughes-Coleman-Zacha.

2. Trade the following to the highest bidder. Simmonds, Wood, Vatanen, Butcher, Greene. Mueller, Domingue + Hayden most likely have no value, but they're an obvious dump if someone comes calling.

3. Keep Palmieri + Coleman. In their prime, and will be key parts of next season's playoff run. Don't lose sight of the big picture.

4. Call up the kids. McLeod, Bastian, Colton White and Boqvist and SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO.

5a. Buyout Schneider. I can see why devils would keep him around for expansion draft purposes, but it would be nice to have a real quality backup goalie next year to support Blackwood.

5b. Savvy FA signings. Do what the devils do best. Avoid the top tier, and find the value in the pack. Brendan Dillon, Hamonic, Connor Sheary, etc.

LGD!

I had to start an account on this website just so I could state what a ridiculous, impatient (Is that what impetuous means?) , and half-witted article you have written. Idk about just exactly who the writers on this site are, but you should be held to a higher standard.

You could've written about all the ways that Shero truly is dedicated, experienced and professional, yet instead you went full buzzfeed into the mind of Josh Harris. I mean I understand anger, but you don't seem angry. From the way you delivered this article, you actually seem to be about as involved in NJ Devils organization as Tom Fitzgerald. That's the only way I can picture someone bringing such in depth analysis as reading Josh Harris' mind. Are you Tom Fitz? Are you venting?

The fact that Devils are in bad shape is an article that's 4 months late. But what you call a Josh Harris hand grenade, I think you mistook for Ray Shero shooting himself in the foot. The man wasted $50 million dollars and delayed the team's playoff years by a full season, then scrambled to fire his coach of like a decade unceremoniously cause the guy couldn't roll the Frankenstein this dude created. Don't get me wrong I think it was time for a coaching change, but his firing was premature, unnecessary and crass. I say premature because while Devils are developing, he's still the right coach and I can't think of anyone better that's available. Players do thrive under him and he deserves a lot of praise for buiding confidence. He should've been rewarded come playoff time, meaning 2021 when the season games matter and he should absolutely be held accountable for the record he brings, and at that point Shero should already have lined someone up in the worst case scenario that Hynes continued to be outcoached regularly. He also didn't extend hands down, one of the best players in the world. If wasting $50 million doesn't get you fired, then that alone would do it. Maybe the ownership learned their lesson with Lou. If guy lets talent walk, he should walk as well.

So last off-season Shero decided to lose his mind, then what? Well, Game 1 Hynes should've been fired. Game 2 should've been his second chance. Game 3 should've been Tom FItz behind the bench with Nas while they look for a new coach. There's your 3rd reason Shero should've been fired.

I've always been a huge Shero fan, but it's not even close to a debate. We have to assume he was given a deadline and the signings this off-season were done in desperation or a Hail Mary. Even so, for all the shrewd calculated dealings and business moves that Shero has achieved, he showed that he'd rather save face than leave his organization in best shape. I'm more worried for Shero finding work than Harris attracting potential GM's.

Even so, other points of the article are equally ridiculous. You fault Harris for not knowing what he's doing but don't acknowledge that the ownership are the one that gave him a job here in the first place. Clearly they could recognize his talent. Clearly they believed in him and the assistant GM which is there for this exact scenario or until they're ready to step up elsewhere as full GM of operations. Clearly theyve always believed in the entire staff. But Shero has done 3 things from 2019-2022, of which any single one should've been a huge red flag. That time span includes few deals made that contribute to the literal $50 million wasted such as Wood's extention and Butcher's.

He obviously wasn't fired for the things he's done right. Seriously, why does someone have to point this out to you? Since off season, Shero has undone a majority of the results he has garnered. Gusev, Simmonds, and Subban have no business being on this team. Hell, Palmieri, Vatanen, Hall and Coleman should've all been gone by this trade deadline as well. Why? Because pick a (frank)ing lane. Can't trade Hall, Keep Vatanen, let another guy go and wait till another gets injured and loses trade value and sit on the decision until no one knows what to (frank)ing do. If anything can be learned about Shero about the Hall situation, is that he wasn't willing to do anything until he absolutely had to do something. (frank) that. Could've gotten 2 1st picks if he was traded in the off season. Now I gotta watch this team get gutted of my favorite players anyway while being last in the league again.
- FrizzleFreigh

They are now making decaffeinated coffee that taste as good as the real thing! (Try some!)

While you’re enjoying that decaf coffee ask yourself if you really needed to create an account to write such a long post while being pretty wrong on your points. Not to mention being a disrespectful douche to a well respected writer.

Also, Lou Lams brought in Ray Shero so get your facts straight. That’s just one example.

They are now making decaffeinated coffee that taste as good as the real thing! (Try some!)

While you’re enjoying that decaf coffee ask yourself if you really needed to create an account to write such a long post while being pretty wrong on your points. Not to mention being a disrespectful douche to a well respected writer.

Also, Lou Lams brought in Ray Shero so get your facts straight. That’s just one example.
- Queenie_5_hole

I think I did. NJ fans have gone full 180 amazingly. We were begging christ for why Lamoriello wasn't fired sooner, and now instead a big portion of our base have turned on the organization's leadership for doing the exact opposite of what happened earlier this decade by firing Shero promptly and for good reason(s).

I don't regret anything I've said to the writer. I'm frustrated, yes but I don't feel any sympathy for Shero defenders when he's exactly the literal one person that should be held accountable for current mess, and painting Josh Harris as some sort of looney tune Adam Sandler villain character as your justification doesn't really scream "Well respected writer". It's straight juvenile to say "hey rich boy that played college wrestling shouldn't be interfering with team business".

jc, Lou didn't pay Shero's paycheck for 5 years. Also, cite literally any reference on that. Also, what does it matter? Also, if Lou brought in Shero (which he didn't because that's not his job and he can't - also didn't), how does that have anything to do with any single one of my points? - you know if he could, but obviously didn't. Because that's not remotely in his power, since he couldn't. And also, didn't.

Did Rob Rossi write this poop? Because I swear Rossi wrote the exact same column when Shero was (quite justifiably) dumped in Pittsburgh.

https://www.nbcsports.com...shero-new-general-manager

Stop being a tool. The team ownership blows.

Blaming a hall of fame GM in Lou Lams and a very widely respected GM in Shero to defended Josh Harris and Apollo Group is totally retarded. They don’t give a poop about the team and only wanted control of Prudential. They schemed to shut down the Izod center and make millions on this investment BUT have consistently had one of the lowest payrolls in the league for the team.

They now have a poopty defensive coordinator coaching this train wreck and fired the best horse trader in hockey for a guy who hasn’t spent one day as a legit GM. They have no plan for getting better and since firing Shero have done Richard to make this team better.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/philadelphia-flyers/devils-hire-ray-shero-new-general-manager

Stop being a tool. The team ownership blows.

Blaming a hall of fame GM in Lou Lams and a very widely respected GM in Shero to defended Josh Harris and Apollo Group is totally retarded. They don’t give a poop about the team and only wanted control of Prudential. They schemed to shut down the Izod center and make millions on this investment BUT have consistently had one of the lowest payrolls in the league for the team.

They now have a poopty defensive coordinator coaching this train wreck and fired the best horse trader in hockey for a guy who hasn’t spent one day as a legit GM. They have no plan for getting better and since firing Shero have done Richard to make this team better.
- Queenie_5_hole

The things that you are saying are blowing my mind.

I still don't understand why you started defending Lou in all this. I haven't brought him up like at all. The idea that Lou brought in Shero is a graceful exit that was determined by the ownership. Read the article you linked. And after he brought in Shero, ownership maintained confidence. How is this a bad thing? Everyone, even Lou somehow looked good, at the end of the transition.

If anything, you're providing the exact polar argument to the writer. This was as anti-Jerry Jones a scenario as you could've brought up in the Devils front office. Shero canning Hynes the way he has, was actually a 100x worse than the treatment Lou received.

You say they don't give a poop about the team, and I just don't know what you're basing this off. As far as everyone knows, the management has shown consistent faith in the front office and players since taking over the team. Prudential Center is remarkable for its location, attendance hasn't been an issue despite serious lows over the last decade.

And the arguement that ownership wasn't willing to spend is thoughtlessly mislead when the 2019 post season was the first time in all of Shero's tenure that there was reason to spend on anything. I am not saying he should be counting pennies like the season before that, but there was none for him to do. No one on the market that's worth a bank roll.

If anything he had about as much green light as possible to secure a deal with Hall, one of the only issues, that management has been vocal about throughout the years. Letting him walk, and doing so after you lost all possible leverage, was downright abysmal.

The best horse trader, as you say, is responsible for our poopty defense coordinator. His solution was to spend 26 million dollars on Subban, who at the moment has 12 points in 54 games. And yet, ownership gave him so much breathing room he was able to sign Simmons! and Gusev to an additional 14$ million.

I don't know what to tell you. Why shouldn't Shero be held accountable for his own actions?

You're absolutely right. There is plenty of blame to go around including the ownership, which I forgot to add. However the Shero defenders are stuck in 2019 season.

How they are perplexed about his firing is disillusionment at its finest. If I steal a stapler from work, I might honestly be fired. Shero wasted $50 million dollars, lost his superstar and his team is still almost dead last in every discernable and significant stat category. You wouldn't fire the guy?
- FrizzleFreigh

You are flip-flopping your arguments here and then throwing it back as if I wronged you. The fact pattern is as follows: 1) this team woefully under-performed at he start of this season. 2) Shero's construction was flawed, but applauded by fans, ownership and general hockey community before the start of the season. 3) Hynes needed to go sooner, he had lost the team and it was obvious. 4) ownership was applauded at the start of this season for finally opening the purse strings and investing; of course ticket prices have gone up every year whether the team wins or loses - so ownership fares out OK here. So blame can go all around, period. Does Ray need to get fired - yes a strong case could be made for that, although the timing was sub-optimal. Further, replacing him with his protege seems to be questionable, but that is where we are. The writer raised some questions and critiques. I posted I disagreed. You went off the rails and started a personal attack on the writer which I feel is unwarranted. But its a free country, post what you like...but accept your views might not be accepted by all and move on.

Stick to hockey talk and try avoiding movie references.... Hooper was Richard Dreyfus and chief Brody was played by Roy Scheider... just saying...
🎶Farewell and adieu to your poor movie reference🎶
- Poweinthekisser

Especially when your making up scenes in the movie that didn’t happen. Hooper was hiding with an oxygen tank underwater before quint got eaten and surfaced after the shark blew up

The things that you are saying are blowing my mind.

I still don't understand why you started defending Lou in all this. I haven't brought him up like at all. The idea that Lou brought in Shero is a graceful exit that was determined by the ownership. Read the article you linked. And after he brought in Shero, ownership maintained confidence. How is this a bad thing? Everyone, even Lou somehow looked good, at the end of the transition.

If anything, you're providing the exact polar argument to the writer. This was as anti-Jerry Jones a scenario as you could've brought up in the Devils front office. Shero canning Hynes the way he has, was actually a 100x worse than the treatment Lou received.

You say they don't give a poop about the team, and I just don't know what you're basing this off. As far as everyone knows, the management has shown consistent faith in the front office and players since taking over the team. Prudential Center is remarkable for its location, attendance hasn't been an issue despite serious lows over the last decade.

And the arguement that ownership wasn't willing to spend is thoughtlessly mislead when the 2019 post season was the first time in all of Shero's tenure that there was reason to spend on anything. I am not saying he should be counting pennies like the season before that, but there was none for him to do. No one on the market that's worth a bank roll.

If anything he had about as much green light as possible to secure a deal with Hall, one of the only issues, that management has been vocal about throughout the years. Letting him walk, and doing so after you lost all possible leverage, was downright abysmal.

The best horse trader, as you say, is responsible for our poopty defense coordinator. His solution was to spend 26 million dollars on Subban, who at the moment has 12 points in 54 games. And yet, ownership gave him so much breathing room he was able to sign Simmons! and Gusev to an additional 14$ million.

I don't know what to tell you. Why shouldn't Shero be held accountable for his own actions?
- FrizzleFreigh

Is this Josh Harris? You sound like a shill for ownership.

You don’t judge trades by how they work out. You judge them at the time of the trade. Hindsight is 20/20.

Ever occurs to you Hall refuses to sign?

And stop saying Hall walked. Shero trades him for 3 prospects and 2 picks.

Did Shero hire you to write this? Way to just gloss over his terrible draft record (getting two #1s isn’t an accomplishment), his holding onto Hynes after he completely lost the locker room (pretty much because baby Taylor liked him), and his mediocre trade record.

That’s right - mediocre. He’s been living off of the Hall/Larsson swap. Vats/Henrique - meh. Subban - bust. Johansson - bust.

Shero needed to go. You can question the timing all day, but you can’t defend his overall body of work and not acknowledge that it’s been generally below average.

Did Shero hire you to write this? Way to just gloss over his terrible draft record (getting two #1s isn’t an accomplishment), his holding onto Hynes after he completely lost the locker room (pretty much because baby Taylor liked him), and his mediocre trade record.

That’s right - mediocre. He’s been living off of the Hall/Larsson swap. Vats/Henrique - meh. Subban - bust. Johansson - bust.

Shero needed to go. You can question the timing all day, but you can’t defend his overall body of work and not acknowledge that it’s been generally below average.
- Thehpot

Not arguing your point Buuuut....FrizzleFreigh joins and posts 2/13 (yesterday); you join site today and happen to come directly to this chat and post in support of that first posting of theirs. Me thinks something smells rotten in Denmark.....

Did Shero hire you to write this? Way to just gloss over his terrible draft record (getting two #1s isn’t an accomplishment), his holding onto Hynes after he completely lost the locker room (pretty much because baby Taylor liked him), and his mediocre trade record.

That’s right - mediocre. He’s been living off of the Hall/Larsson swap. Vats/Henrique - meh. Subban - bust. Johansson - bust.

Shero needed to go. You can question the timing all day, but you can’t defend his overall body of work and not acknowledge that it’s been generally below average.
- Thehpot

Do you have any actual data on how Shero has drafted for the Devils compared to how other teams drafted over the same period or are you just stating your opinion? Because just about every team thinks they take it in the can on the draft because people don't realize how few drafted players actually have NHL careers.

Don't want to give him credit for taking Nico over Nolan... that's fine. It was actually not the safe the choice but clearly the right one.

Subban isn't a bust. We traded Richard for him. He's play just isn't as good as expected. Could totally be Nesreddine's defensive system but who knows. Nobody actually looks like a good defenseman in NJ if you watch the games.

MoJo was a (frank)ing steal. He got hurt by a vicious blow to the head and had injury problems. We traded a 2nd a 3rd for him and traded him as a RENTAL ON EXPIRING CONTRACT for a 2nd and 4th!

He also traded LEE (frank)ING STEPNIAK for 2nd and 4th round pick which was unbelievable.
Traded BEN (frank)ING LOVEJOY for a 3rd and a better defenseman. Can't believe he could even move that guy.

You can't defend him. Get the (frank) outta here.

Did Shero hire me. No. I've been very consistent on these points for a long time. I didn't join up yesterday to spew some crazy poop. You obviously either work for Apollo Group, are a Russian troll, or an idiot.
Not all are mutually exclusive.

Do you have any actual data on how Shero has drafted for the Devils compared to how other teams drafted over the same period or are you just stating your opinion? Because just about every team thinks they take it in the can on the draft because people don't realize how few drafted players actually have NHL careers.

Don't want to give him credit for taking Nico over Nolan... that's fine. It was actually not the safe the choice but clearly the right one.

Subban isn't a bust. We traded Richard for him. He's play just isn't as good as expected. Could totally be Nesreddine's defensive system but who knows. Nobody actually looks like a good defenseman in NJ if you watch the games.

MoJo was a (frank)ing steal. He got hurt by a vicious blow to the head and had injury problems. We traded a 2nd a 3rd for him and traded him as a RENTAL ON EXPIRING CONTRACT for a 2nd and 4th!

He also traded LEE (frank)ING STEPNIAK for 2nd and 4th round pick which was unbelievable.
Traded BEN (frank)ING LOVEJOY for a 3rd and a better defenseman. Can't believe he could even move that guy.

You can't defend him. Get the (frank) outta here.

Did Shero hire me. No. I've been very consistent on these points for a long time. I didn't join up yesterday to spew some crazy poop. You obviously either work for Apollo Group, are a Russian troll, or an idiot.
Not all are mutually exclusive.
- Queenie_5_hole

Do you have any actual data on how Shero has drafted for the Devils compared to how other teams drafted over the same period or are you just stating your opinion? Because just about every team thinks they take it in the can on the draft because people don't realize how few drafted players actually have NHL careers.

Don't want to give him credit for taking Nico over Nolan... that's fine. It was actually not the safe the choice but clearly the right one.

Subban isn't a bust. We traded Richard for him. He's play just isn't as good as expected. Could totally be Nesreddine's defensive system but who knows. Nobody actually looks like a good defenseman in NJ if you watch the games.

MoJo was a (frank)ing steal. He got hurt by a vicious blow to the head and had injury problems. We traded a 2nd a 3rd for him and traded him as a RENTAL ON EXPIRING CONTRACT for a 2nd and 4th!

He also traded LEE (frank)ING STEPNIAK for 2nd and 4th round pick which was unbelievable.
Traded BEN (frank)ING LOVEJOY for a 3rd and a better defenseman. Can't believe he could even move that guy.

You can't defend him. Get the (frank) outta here.

Did Shero hire me. No. I've been very consistent on these points for a long time. I didn't join up yesterday to spew some crazy poop. You obviously either work for Apollo Group, are a Russian troll, or an idiot.
Not all are mutually exclusive.
- Queenie_5_hole

So because I joined today I MUST be one of those things right? Or I could just be a guy who got tired of hearing how great Shero was.

Let’s look at those trades - all of them are for picks. And dictated by the market. Who have those picks turned into? Anyone? He traded rental scrubs for lottery tickets. Not identified, overlooked prospects. Who did those picks turn into?

As for the drafting - I don’t need data. Who’s coming up through our system that looks anything like an impact player? Not even a superstar. Just someone who will make an impact.

And I don’t want to hear about Subban not being a bust. Maybe this maybe that. He hasn’t played to the level everyone thought he would. Yea we gave up nothing. But we took on someone who seemingly is at the start of a VERY sharp decline.

Just because I showed up yesterday doesn’t mean I can’t be a part of the conversation.

Not arguing your point Buuuut....FrizzleFreigh joins and posts 2/13 (yesterday); you join site today and happen to come directly to this chat and post in support of that first posting of theirs. Me thinks something smells rotten in Denmark.....
- redmonsters

Nah man - just a long time lurker who decided to jump in.

I love how everyone thinks someone is a mole 😂😂

So because I joined today I MUST be one of those things right? Or I could just be a guy who got tired of hearing how great Shero was.

Let’s look at those trades - all of them are for picks. And dictated by the market. Who have those picks turned into? Anyone? He traded rental scrubs for lottery tickets. Not identified, overlooked prospects. Who did those picks turn into?

As for the drafting - I don’t need data. Who’s coming up through our system that looks anything like an impact player? Not even a superstar. Just someone who will make an impact.

And I don’t want to hear about Subban not being a bust. Maybe this maybe that. He hasn’t played to the level everyone thought he would. Yea we gave up nothing. But we took on someone who seemingly is at the start of a VERY sharp decline.

Just because I showed up yesterday doesn’t mean I can’t be a part of the conversation.
- Thehpot

Not to derail the Shero Sucks manifesto but you can also add Kyle Palmeri as guys Shero brilliant added. Pretty much for the 2nd and 3rd round pick Lou Lams got for trading Jagr to Florida.

Most teams trade picks at the deadline because they don't want to move any roster players out unless they have to for cap reasons. Picks are like currency. But again Ray Ray did get us three prospects back in the Hall trade.

The prospect pipeline doesn't look good because our roster was very old when Ray took over any good prospect has been rushed into service. You need to keep in mind that Nico Hischer, Jack Hughes, Joey Anderson, Jesper Bratt, Blake Coleman, Miles Wood, Kevin Rooney and Pavel Zacha are all products from our farm system. Many drafted by Shero. Plus there are guys that have been moved out in trades including Quenneville for Hayden and Steve Santini for Subban for example... although those guys were drafted pre-Shero....

Outside of superstar players everyone (should) play in the minors for a few years before joining the NHL so you literally can't judge the last two+ years draft yet. Last year we loaded up on defenseman who take even longer. Ty Smith was projected to go several spots ahead of where we drafted him and he still isn't quite ready.

But again, you need some sort of data to compare Ray's drafts to other teams drafts and that's a lot harder then saying he sucks.

Meanwhile the two prospect Shero added to Binghamton from the Hall trade have turned the B Devs into one of the hottest AHL teams....

Except Nick Merkley has been tearing it up so much they just called him to the big club....