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VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Feb 15 @ 1:23 PM ET
Why would you though? Those assets thanks to the genius Jim Benning is probably two 50 point forwards vs one 50 point forward who spends too much time in the penalty box or suspended.
- manvanfan


Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 15 @ 1:25 PM ET
What does he have to sell? I wouldn't take Karlsson Burns Vlasic and probably not Kane at this stage. A lot of top teams don't have the cap space. AVs might be interested in Kane but that's it.

I don't expect them to trade their young stars.

- VANTEL

I don’t think he has a lot to sell, I just think you’ll see a younger team.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 15 @ 1:25 PM ET
Fair enough, just if they want to be competitive right now it could make sense but if they’re playing the long game, which I’m not sure Francesco Aquilini wants anymore of, it doesn’t make sense at all. Draft and develope.
- Pacificgem

Jim has gone on record talking about having this team be competitive for decades.

When a GM said you can trade away first round picks if your 2nd and 3rd round picks work out. I said I thought in the second round last year that when they drafted Nils Hoglander, I thought they kind of figured they were getting a player they had at the end of the first round and for them it was like giving up a 2nd round pick instead. Unless of course they sucked this year.

If Lind, Hoglander, Madden and Woo, MDP keep progressing. I could see in a year or two, another first going in a trade if the team is close.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:26 PM ET
I have always thought Benning knew what he was doing. He has taken wrong steps here and there. That's being a GM though. If they all got it right all the time, there wouldn't be the carousel of changes.

I don't want to pretend like someone is calling the shots on drafting or development or acquisitions over another.

It's a team of people bringing their work together and Jim makes the final decisions based on what they tell him and what he see's.

One thing I do know is that it is now Jim's team of people. He's hired most or promoted. Hard to argue with the success the team is having right now.

Sure as heck better than having Hextall who doesn't listen to nobody.

- manvanfan


I agree it is a team of people working together so if Brackett wants out see ya.

Jim may look like a clown but I think he has done a very good job the last 2.5 years.

I think when the Sedins left it gave him so much mor freedom to move around. That is not a slight against the twins . The team payed their respect and let them finish with their leadership.

Like Bieksa said their example will linger for 20 years in the dressing room and on the ice.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 15 @ 1:30 PM ET
I have always thought Benning knew what he was doing. He has taken wrong steps here and there. That's being a GM though. If they all got it right all the time, there wouldn't be the carousel of changes.

I don't want to pretend like someone is calling the shots on drafting or development or acquisitions over another.

It's a team of people bringing their work together and Jim makes the final decisions based on what they tell him and what he see's.

One thing I do know is that it is now Jim's team of people. He's hired most or promoted. Hard to argue with the success the team is having right now.

Sure as heck better than having Hextall who doesn't listen to nobody.

- manvanfan


Benning has systematically made this club better (albeit slowly) year after year with improvements. The whiners will always cry about lost picks and such but there is such a larger dynamic to making teams better than just drafting/developing. It's a combination of so many things. Every GM makes mistakes Benning is no different...but we have to be pretty happy with what we are seeing right now.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:32 PM ET
Benning has systematically made this club better (albeit slowly) year after year with improvements. The whiners will always cry about lost picks and such but there is such a larger dynamic to making teams better than just drafting/developing. It's a combination of so many things. Every GM makes mistakes Benning is no different...but we have to be pretty happy with what we are seeing right now.
- LordHumungous


The funny thing is when Benning signed on the same people said it would take about 6 years to fix.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 15 @ 1:33 PM ET
I agree it is a team of people working together so if Brackett wants out see ya.

Jim may look like a clown but I think he has done a very good job the last 2.5 years.

I think when the Sedins left it gave him so much mor freedom to move around. That is not a slight against the twins . The team payed their respect and let them finish with their leadership.

Like Bieksa said their example will linger for 20 years in the dressing room and on the ice.

- VANTEL

Draft and develop takes time. More time than most pro tankers think it seems.

Great players, just didn't have the compliment to win it.

Benning is big on character, so hopefully they will have a strong leadership group for years to come.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:34 PM ET
I don’t think he has a lot to sell, I just think you’ll see a younger team.
- Pacificgem




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Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 15 @ 1:34 PM ET
Jim has gone on record talking about having this team be competitive for decades.

When a GM said you can trade away first round picks if your 2nd and 3rd round picks work out. I said I thought in the second round last year that when they drafted Nils Hoglander, I thought they kind of figured they were getting a player they had at the end of the first round and for them it was like giving up a 2nd round pick instead. Unless of course they sucked this year.

If Lind, Hoglander, Madden and Woo, MDP keep progressing. I could see in a year or two, another first going in a trade if the team is close.

- manvanfan

That’s nice in theory, but only one of his 2nd or 3rd round picks (or beyond), after six drafts, are on the team as regular players, unless you count Demko, that’s two.

How many second and third round picks has he traded away in five years to try and be more competitive instead of drafting and developing? A lot! They finished second last in the entire league in 2016 and only had 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th and two 7th round picks, so don’t tell me he hasn’t tried to speed things up. He has.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Feb 15 @ 1:36 PM ET
Lack was traded at the draft for two picks after a 41 games .921 sv% year with the Canucks. They turned out to be two prospects we’re currently developing. It’s not out of the realm of possibility.
- Pacificgem

True. I think the variables are different with Marky being a proven #1.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Feb 15 @ 1:37 PM ET
@Vantel

https://twitter.com/gojon...tatus/1228727288415629312
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 15 @ 1:39 PM ET
Benning has systematically made this club better (albeit slowly) year after year with improvements. The whiners will always cry about lost picks and such but there is such a larger dynamic to making teams better than just drafting/developing. It's a combination of so many things. Every GM makes mistakes Benning is no different...but we have to be pretty happy with what we are seeing right now.
- LordHumungous

Every team that finishes near the bottom of the league gets better via the draft, every team, they made three great picks in Boeser, Pettersson and Quinn Hughes, three draft picks have made a world of difference.

But it’s the same for every club with high draft picks, they inevitably get better, look at Winnipeg, they’ve made some great picks, like Benning & company, without ever picking 1st overall.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 15 @ 1:39 PM ET
Benning has systematically made this club better (albeit slowly) year after year with improvements. The whiners will always cry about lost picks and such but there is such a larger dynamic to making teams better than just drafting/developing. It's a combination of so many things. Every GM makes mistakes Benning is no different...but we have to be pretty happy with what we are seeing right now.
- LordHumungous

I think that's what you do is little by little make the team better. Going the Toronto way of leaving the bottom and going all the way to the top is exciting but misses parts on the way.

I like where this team is but I still think the hardest work is still to be done. Finding that second compliment of players. Developing the later round picks, finding the right chemistry of size, skill, speed, grit.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:40 PM ET
That’s nice in theory, but only one of his 2nd or 3rd round picks, after six drafts, are on the team as regular players, unless you count Demko, that’s two.

How many second and third round picks has he traded away in five years to try and be more competitive instead of drafting and developing? A lot! They finished second last in the entire league in 2016 and only had 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th and two 7th round picks, so don’t tell me he hasn’t tried to speed things up. He has.

- Pacificgem



He has Demko Petey Brock Gauds Hughes and Jake after 6 years how many are you expecting. How does this compare to other GMs. Tramkin and McCann also were Canucks fr a short time.

If One draft pick get promoted to the big club every year I am more than happy
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:42 PM ET
@Vantel

https://twitter.com/gojon...tatus/1228727288415629312

- VanHockeyGuy

Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 15 @ 1:43 PM ET
Kevin Kurz
@KKurzNHL
·
33m
Erik Karlsson out today vs. Wild per
@DanRusanowsky

- VANTEL


Broken thumb, needs surgery, done for the year
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:43 PM ET
Every team that finishes near the bottom of the league gets better via the draft, every team, they made three great picks in Boeser, Pettersson and Quinn Hughes, three draft picks have made a world of difference.

But it’s the same for every club with high draft picks, they inevitably get better, look at Winnipeg, they’ve made some great picks, like Benning & company, without ever picking 1st overall.

- Pacificgem



To summarize this , we are were we should be then.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:44 PM ET
Broken thumb, needs surgery, done for the year
- Codes1087



Tank
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 15 @ 1:45 PM ET
Tank
- VANTEL


I would be so pissed if I was a sharks fan. They are currently in the same state as the 2012 Canucks.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 15 @ 1:45 PM ET
He has Demko Petey Brock Gauds Hughes and Jake after 6 years how many are you expecting. How does this compare to other GMs. Tramkin and McCann also were Canucks fr a short time.

If One draft pick get promoted to the big club every year I am more than happy

- VANTEL

You missed the point, par for the course, it was about hitting on picks beyond the first round, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes and Virtanen were 5th, 23rd, 7th and 6th overall picks, Benning and Brackett have only put Demko and Gaudette in the lineup after six drafts.

Every team who’s been near the bottom should and does have a nice prospect pool, this is not unique to the Canucks, hopefully some of them turn out!!
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:47 PM ET
I would be so pissed if I was a sharks fan. They are currently in the same state as the 2012 Canucks.
- Codes1087



Yeah lots of similarities.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 15 @ 1:47 PM ET
That’s nice in theory, but only one of his 2nd or 3rd round picks (or beyond), after six drafts, are on the team as regular players, unless you count Demko, that’s two.

How many second and third round picks has he traded away in five years to try and be more competitive instead of drafting and developing? A lot! They finished second last in the entire league in 2016 and only had 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th and two 7th round picks, so don’t tell me he hasn’t tried to speed things up. He has.

- Pacificgem

Your entire theory about an NHL team is about drafting as many players as possible. I'm sorry you were never drafted. That doesn't change the fact that quality over quantity.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:48 PM ET
You missed the point, par for the course, it was about hitting on picks beyond the first round, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes and Virtanen were 5th, 23rd, 7th and 6th overall picks, Benning and Brackett have only put Demko and Gaudette in the lineup after six drafts.

Every team who’s been near the bottom should and does have a nice prospect pool, this is not unique to the Canucks, hopefully some of them turn out!!

- Pacificgem



I am actually bang on the point.

The point is you like to complain about nothing.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Feb 15 @ 1:49 PM ET
Roussel: 1 time I was playing in Vancouver, the night before I went to dinner with Burrows at his place. Brought wine, played with the kids - being a good guest. The next day we played vs Canucks & trying to take advantage of Hank/Danny to rough them up.

And then I saw Brr - the best lesson he ever told me was "there's no friends on the ice" and then he punched me so hard in the face. I took a hard one and I thought "Oh god what the heck was that" I played against the Twins and learned a good lesson.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 15 @ 1:50 PM ET
To summarize this , we are were we should be then.
- VANTEL

Sure, which is why I don’t think Benning is some miracle worker just like I don’t think Chevy in Winnipeg is either, or Craig MacTavish for picking Draisaitl 3rd overall is, etc. etc.

You get great players at the top of the draft, that’s the beauty of tanking, Benning accomplished what I wanted, unfortunately he was trying to be competitive but unintentionally tanked....which is why he’s an idiot
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