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Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Feb 12 @ 8:31 AM ET
Tyler Cameron: Blackhawks, you're blowing this playoff thing No McDavid, no problem.

The Oilers came out hungry for 2 points and they ended up succeeding.

Let's recap the game + look ahead to Vancouver on Wednesday night.
BDT36
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.04.2012

Feb 12 @ 8:35 AM ET
First!
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 12 @ 8:44 AM ET
The real standings (and numbers do not lie)

_____________ GP PTS PTS/G
Av's__________55 72 1.309 1st Cen
Blues_________56 73 1.304 2nd Cen
Stars_________ 56 69 1.232 3rd Cen
Oilers________ 56 66 1.179 1st Pac
Canucks______57 67 1.175 2nd Pac
Flames_______57 64 1.123 3rd Pac
Knights_______58 64 1.103 WC
Jets __________58 63 1.086 WC
Yotes________ 59 64 1.085
Preds________ 55 59 1.073
Wild _________56 60 1.071
Hawks_______ 56 58 1.036
Ducks________56 53 0.946
Sharks________56 52 0.929
Kings_________57 43 0.754

Based on these results you will need a minimum of 1.086 pts per game. So 82 games x 1.086 = 90 pts. Based on that the Hawks have 26 games left and have to get 30 points. So 14W- 10L – 2 OTL. They have to win or tie in regulation 16 of the of their last 26 games.

Sell wisely Stan.
Q-stache
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 11.20.2015

Feb 12 @ 8:48 AM ET
At least they’re making it obvious that we should be sellers at the deadline!

I never root for the Hawks to lose, but it certainly seems like it’s time to start focusing on next year. Despite the last several years failings this is still a premier destination for coaches/UFA’s.

Here’s to dreaming about Lavy behind the bench.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Feb 12 @ 9:00 AM ET
At least they’re making it obvious that we should be sellers at the deadline!

I never root for the Hawks to lose, but it certainly seems like it’s time to start focusing on next year. Despite the last several years failings this is still a premier destination for coaches/UFA’s.

Here’s to dreaming about Lavy behind the bench.

- Q-stache


Please no! That isn't a dream, that's (frank)ing nightmare. He had better players in Nashville and got similar results as JC in Chicago.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 12 @ 9:04 AM ET
"If I'm Bowman, I'm going in to talk to his players before tonight's game with the message of "if you don't win, I can't add to this team."

I hate this idea.

Even if the Hawks beat the Canucks, their playoff hopes are negligible. Stan should only add to the team if he can do so without parting with legit top 6 or top 4 pairing NHL players, legit top 6 or top 4 pairing NHL prospects, or high draft picks. In other words moving Gus or UFAs, bottom 6 or 3rd pairing defenders, career AHL'ers, or 4th to 7th round picks.

Sell wisely Stan.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 12 @ 9:06 AM ET
Currently the Hawks pre-lottery would have the 8th pick in the draft. But if they finish weak the 7th slot is very doable.
catrisc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Elmhurst, IL
Joined: 12.12.2019

Feb 12 @ 9:14 AM ET
Boys it's time to rebuild.

Trade Keith and get that cap space back. This half ass retool is not going to work and is just prolonging the inevitable.

This is sad to watch because this team has the will to win but not the lineup nor the coaching they need to contend.

Too many mediocre, young players and coaches. Not enough impact players on a nightly basis.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 12 @ 9:16 AM ET
Boys it's time to rebuild.

Trade Keith and get that cap space back. This half ass retool is not going to work and is just prolonging the inevitable.

This is sad to watch because this team has the will to win but not the lineup nor the coaching they need to contend.

Too many mediocre, young players and coaches. Not enough impact players on a nightly basis.

- catrisc


The only way you move Keith is if you get a King's ransom. He is a top 4 pairing defender on any team in the NHL. He is signed for a very reasonable amount for the next 3 years. Now next year at the TDL if Mitchell and Beaudin (or other prospects) look ready you could revisit the notion. Otherwise you run into the problem that teams like the Oilers, Leafs and Sabres have seen. Selling off vets and rushing prospects. A recipe for long term disaster.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Feb 12 @ 9:31 AM ET
The team still has more of a coaching problem then a player problem.

Sitting Strome and not playing him at center could be described as incompetent.

Smith on the power play is stupid. No other word there.

Even with the magical training camp all through his tenure the lads are skating around like a bunch of listless wankers in their own zone. And when they do skate hard it is without purpose, usually to a man playing tiddly winks in the corner and not dangerous leaving the middle of the ice exposed.

Yeah they are kinda slow in some spots. Sure they have a few talent gaps but its a big symptom of the salary cap and the boys should look like they have some clue as to how to play hockey most of the time.

Wouldn't mind Crawford kicking some asses behind the bench as opposed to this garbage (too soon?).
Jance
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 03.25.2015

Feb 12 @ 9:37 AM ET
At least they’re making it obvious that we should be sellers at the deadline!

I never root for the Hawks to lose, but it certainly seems like it’s time to start focusing on next year. Despite the last several years failings this is still a premier destination for coaches/UFA’s.

Here’s to dreaming about Lavy behind the bench.

- Q-stache


I'd rather they go after Gerard Gallant.

catrisc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Elmhurst, IL
Joined: 12.12.2019

Feb 12 @ 9:37 AM ET
The team still has more of a coaching problem then a player problem.

Sitting Strome and not playing him at center could be described as incompetent.

Smith on the power play is stupid. No other word there.

Even with the magical training camp all through his tenure the lads are skating around like a bunch of listless wankers in their own zone. And when they do skate hard it is without purpose, usually to a man playing tiddly winks in the corner and not dangerous leaving the middle of the ice exposed.

Yeah they are kinda slow in some spots. Sure they have a few talent gaps but its a big symptom of the salary cap and the boys should look like they have some clue as to how to play hockey most of the time.

Wouldn't mind Crawford kicking some asses behind the bench as opposed to this garbage (too soon?).

- fattybeef


I agree with you. I think this roster is talented and I would put it at top 15 in the league. The coaching issue has become apparent here the last few months.The amount of Too many men penalties has been increasing, Power Play continues to get worse, DeBrincat is getting worse.

It screams poor leadership. Again, JC may be a good NHL coach one day but it looks like he's a few years away from that.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 12 @ 9:44 AM ET
The real standings (and numbers do not lie)

_____________ GP PTS PTS/G
Av's__________55 72 1.309 1st Cen
Blues_________56 73 1.304 2nd Cen
Stars_________ 56 69 1.232 3rd Cen
Oilers________ 56 66 1.179 1st Pac
Canucks______57 67 1.175 2nd Pac
Flames_______57 64 1.123 3rd Pac
Knights_______58 64 1.103 WC
Jets __________58 63 1.086 WC
Yotes________ 59 64 1.085
Preds________ 55 59 1.073
Wild _________56 60 1.071
Hawks_______ 56 58 1.036
Ducks________56 53 0.946
Sharks________56 52 0.929
Kings_________57 43 0.754

Based on these results you will need a minimum of 1.086 pts per game. So 82 games x 1.086 = 90 pts. Based on that the Hawks have 26 games left and have to get 30 points. So 14W- 10L – 2 OTL. They have to win or tie in regulation 16 of the of their last 26 games.

Sell wisely Stan.

- -Doh-


indeed...6 pts out chasing 5 teams...forget it...even if they take 6-7 strt..other teams might do the same or break even and they hardly move in the standings...

defense has been a bit leaky lately again and if kane can't fire up the offense nothing happens..

strome and adb have lost their magic...pp continues to be a massive loser and pk has a cracked a bit...

simply put the 4-7-2 poop start with 8 games at home, lack of depth, and overall poor defensive discipline and sloppy pp and 5 on 5 play = SELL...and make a decision on the goalies..


fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Feb 12 @ 9:45 AM ET
I agree with you. I think this roster is talented and I would put it at top 15 in the league. The coaching issue has become apparent here the last few months.The amount of Too many men penalties has been increasing, Power Play continues to get worse, DeBrincat is getting worse.

It screams poor leadership. Again, JC may be a good NHL coach one day but it looks like he's a few years away from that.

- catrisc


They aren't a top team but should be getting results similar if not better then the Islanders or jackets if they had competent coaching.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 12 @ 9:55 AM ET
The had the playoffs on their own sticks - competing against a bunch of NHL-.500 teams who haven't played any better than .500 and I'm guessing won't over the remainder of the season - and either have blown it or are blowing it, depending on your "glass half full / empty" beliefs.

Two "loser points" out of the last eight possible points at a time of the year when it's all on the line....

Yeah, all one-goal games (into OT or with ENGs), a couple of bad / phantom penalties led to important goals against - good teams overcome those things.

Hawks aren't....
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Feb 12 @ 10:01 AM ET
Well this place is depressing as usual after a tough loss .I for one did not think the HAWKS were anyway dominated last night ,the B.S. penalty to Toews was a big momentum switch .Taking their best PK off the ice on a nothing call hurts .
I did feel Lehner was not truly focus last night ,seem to be fighting the puck all night .I would have pulled him after the 3 goal ,not his fault completely but he just did not look right . And with a 6 mill dollar goalie on the bench would not hesitate to pull him . Lehner has not looked the same since making the comment about not taking a hometown discount ,HAWKS need to get him signed or cut bait ,no head games with this guy .. The PP play was a disaster ,until the end .I still don't like Smith on the PP or Kubilk on the point ,but a least Kubilik was on the top PP . Not a fan of blaming Ref's but the last 3 games have had some real stink on them . That stuff usually evens out so hopefully it will start tonight ,HAWKS need a couple breaks to go their way for a change .
Glad they get right back out there tonight ,time to wreck the Cluck fans night ..GO HAWKS !!!
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 12 @ 10:03 AM ET
For all those that think the Hawks would be Stanley Cup contenders with any of the recycled dreck of coaches that are out there, you at least will have that narrative into next year. I do not think Stan changes coaches, until or at least the Hawks get off to a bad start next year, or unless Stan himself is canned. I do not see either of that happening.

7 coaching changes this year, with no change in trajectory of the hiring teams.

Although they beat the devils last night, did anyone see Q's 4th line? Acari, Matheson, and Pysylk. 2 defenseman and a free agent signing doing a John Druce imitation. But of course because Q did that, it was brilliant. If JC did that, we would be talking about how he should go back to Mora and coach.

Only chance the Panthers make the playoffs is if the beat out Toronto. Considering all the hype of adding him as a coach and the FA's Tallon signed?, would you really consider Q's season as successful?

BTW, how have all those management coaching changes worked out for the Bears/Bulls recently? How long of a rope does Ross get with the Cubs before the fans go nuts because his inexperience loses a few games? Will Sox fans be happy if the team goes 500 this year?

Q is a hall of fame coach. But as was mentioned on the last blog, so was Phil Jackson, and the knock on him is that he was great with an established team, he was not good at rebuilding (see his tenure in management of the Knicks).

I do not see the Hawks record being any better with Q being here. the team is flawed, I do not see how Q's coaching would fix those flaws. At least with this team and its youth coming up you can see a faint light at the end of the tunnel. I don't think Q would have the patience for players to work through those flaws.

And for all those that said sitting Strome was stupid, and JC should be fired, what would Q do? I bet he would of sat him also, and suited up 8 defenseman like he did last night or stapled him to the bench.
mnhockeyguy
Minnesota Wild
Location: Frostbite Falls, MN
Joined: 10.23.2014

Feb 12 @ 10:05 AM ET
Bowman gone if the Hawks don't make the playoffs?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 12 @ 10:07 AM ET
They aren't a top team but should be getting results similar if not better then the Islanders or jackets if they had competent coaching.
- fattybeef


I ask again, who? You say there should be changes but then say not you to decide. Well if you are so clamoring to replace the coach, you should have a few names in mind that you think could do a better job, or else you wouldn't be saying a change should be made.

LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 12 @ 10:07 AM ET
Bowman gone if the Hawks don't make the playoffs?
- mnhockeyguy


No
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 12 @ 10:09 AM ET
I agree with you. I think this roster is talented and I would put it at top 15 in the league. The coaching issue has become apparent here the last few months.The amount of Too many men penalties has been increasing, Power Play continues to get worse, DeBrincat is getting worse.

It screams poor leadership. Again, JC may be a good NHL coach one day but it looks like he's a few years away from that.

- catrisc


Didn't Q's Hawks teams always lead or be at the top of the league in TMM penalties every year? I ask you the same question as Fattybeef, JC sucks, only reason why the Hawks are not a playoff team?, who is YOUR coach to replace him?
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 12 @ 10:13 AM ET
Bowman gone if the Hawks don't make the playoffs?
- mnhockeyguy


I don't think so. Rocky Wirtz is very loyal. In hindsight Stan has made a few bad moves. What GM has not. It should be interesting to see the moves Stan makes at the TDL and in the Summer. Probably 5 or 6 new faces on the roster next year.

Gone

One goalie (maybe both)
Gus
Smith
Kampf or Highmore
Koekkoek or Seeler
Shaw (health reasons) and/or Caggiula
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 12 @ 10:14 AM ET
Tyler Cameron: Blackhawks, you're blowing this playoff thing
No McDavid, no problem.

The Oilers came out hungry for 2 points and they ended up succeeding.

Let's recap the game + look ahead to Vancouver on Wednesday night.

- Tyler Cameron


TC, I think your next blog should be JC sucks, only reason Hawks are not a Cup contender, who should be their next coach? Would love to see the responses. and no, coaches that are not available to the Hawks like Trotz cannot be considered.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 12 @ 10:18 AM ET
I don't think so. Rocky Wirtz is very loyal. In hindsight Stan has made a few bad moves. What GM has not. It should be interesting to see the moves Stan makes at the TDL and in the Summer. Probably 5 or 6 new faces on the roster next year.

Gone

One goalie (maybe both)
Gus
Smith
Kampf or Highmore
Koekkoek or Seeler
Shaw (health reasons) and/or Caggiula

- -Doh-


How about the moves the Hall of Fame (no cups) GM Poile made with Nashville. fired his coach, traded Subban for cap space, signed Duchense, traded an up and coming Fiala last TDL for Granlund who they now would love to unload for a bag of pucks, and are one point ahead of the Hawks in the Standings. All the above moves (except for signing Duchense as the free agent), is what the board said a new GM should be doing here.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 12 @ 10:20 AM ET
I don't think so. Rocky Wirtz is very loyal. In hindsight Stan has made a few bad moves. What GM has not. It should be interesting to see the moves Stan makes at the TDL and in the Summer. Probably 5 or 6 new faces on the roster next year.

Gone

One goalie (maybe both)
Gus
Smith
Kampf or Highmore
Koekkoek or Seeler
Shaw (health reasons) and/or Caggiula

- -Doh-


This post I agree with. I would add Saad for cap reasons depending on what they sign Strome and 2 goalies for (whether it is Crow, Lehner, or 2 new ones)
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