What about the ES point totals the two season before last? Those arnt good enough stats? What do you get when you average the last 3 seasons ES points?
- MattStrat

so, for ONE SEASON of his NHL career he posted EV stats at the bottom end of what would be considered a 1st liner. for EVERY OTHER SEASON his entire career, he's posted 2nd line numbers, at best.....but because of that one season, 3 years ago, he's a 1st liner.

call me crazy, but i'd want my top line players to, AT THE VERY LEAST, crack the top 150 in NHL scoring.....guess what, Zucker doesn't

be happy, you got a good player, but you got a good 2nd or 3rd line player.....not a top line player


but i mean, if you guys are saying we can go back a few seasons in order to consider someone a top liner.......hell, Mikkel Boedker put up 1st line EV numbers back in Arizona like 4 years ago....can i still consider him a top line player? Maybe we can get conditional 1st and a prospect for him?

so, for ONE SEASON of his NHL career he posted EV stats at the bottom end of what would be considered a 1st liner. for EVERY OTHER SEASON his entire career, he's posted 2nd line numbers, at best.....but because of that one season, 3 years ago, he's a 1st liner.

call me crazy, but i'd want my top line players to, AT THE VERY LEAST, crack the top 150 in NHL scoring.....guess what, Zucker doesn't

be happy, you got a good player, but you got a good 2nd or 3rd line player.....not a top line player


but i mean, if you guys are saying we can go back a few seasons in order to consider someone a top liner.......hell, Mikkel Boedker put up 1st line EV numbers back in Arizona like 4 years ago....can i still consider him a top line player? Maybe we can get conditional 1st and a prospect for him?
- sensarmy_11

What? Last season he was almost right at bottom end. The two season before that he was on the higher end.

What? Last season he was almost right at bottom end. The two season before that he was on the higher end.
- MattStrat

You can keep trying to rationalize it all you want, but he’s not a top line player.

You can keep trying to rationalize it all you want, but he’s not a top line player.
- sensarmy_11

Dude you're not even completely making sense at times...back up of our argument is being laid right out for you but you're to stubborn for it. So that's it I guess...

I can remember bickering back and forth with with you during the Pens 2017 run when they played the Sens in ECF. You'd come over on our boards getting on with sh!t, especially after the Sens went up 1-0 and 2-1 in that series hahaha

Dude you're not even completely making sense at times...back up of our argument is being laid right out for you but you're to stubborn for it. So that's it I guess...

I can remember bickering back and forth with with you during the Pens 2017 run when they played the Sens in ECF. You'd come over on our boards getting on with sh!t, especially after the Sens went up 1-0 and 2-1 in that series hahaha
- MattStrat

the only thing that has been laid out is that 3 years ago, he had one season where he was solid. every other year in his career, including this one, he's had average production, average possession, average everything.

not sure what this has to do with a playoff series in 2017, other than the fact that in coincides with the one and only season where Zucker played like a legit top line player.

but please, believe the B.S. than tanner is spouting off...........like i said, i have a bunch of other top line players to sell you too. pageau is absolutely a top line center, boro is a perfect top pairing Dman to go with Letang......and hey, Anderson was playing at a vezina pace back in 2017, you might want him too.

Jets fan here, I think Pittsburgh did great in the Zucker trade, teams trade a lot for rentals every damn year so getting a guy with 3 more years of term for what they gave up is reasonable.

To those saying it's too much do you really think you're gonna get a better winger for less??
Would the Pens trade Guentzel for a 1st, an unproven prospect and a UFA??? Hell no they wouldn't, this was a reasonable price to pay for a guy with term. Getting Zucker for this price was way better then if they gave the same thing for Kreider.

I think the least understood thing by most hockey fans is the value of term and this discussion here is just another example of it.

Jets fan here, I think Pittsburgh did great in the Zucker trade, teams trade a lot for rentals every damn year so getting a guy with 3 more years of term for what they gave up is reasonable.

To those saying it's too much do you really think you're gonna get a better winger for less??
Would the Pens trade Guentzel for a 1st, an unproven prospect and a UFA??? Hell no they wouldn't, this was a reasonable price to pay for a guy with term. Getting Zucker for this price was way better then if they gave the same thing for Kreider.

I think the least understood thing by most hockey fans is the value of term and this discussion here is just another example of it.
- JetFuel

the fact that you're comparing zucker to kreider or guentzel basically negates your entire argument.

both of those guys are much better players, and would obviously command a much better return, regardless of whether or not there is term left on their deals.

To anyone who thinks late first rounders have low value... go back 5 years ago and look at the players taken with picks 17-30

you won't always get great players, but most teams manage to go at least 2 for 3 on their late 1sts

Why the needless double-negative ("I don't disagree")?

Why not write more deliberately, and in a way that gets your point across better?


e.g. "I agree..."

the fact that you're comparing zucker to kreider or guentzel basically negates your entire argument.

both of those guys are much better players, and would obviously command a much better return, regardless of whether or not there is term left on their deals.
- sensarmy_11

My point was you're not getting a Zucker type winger for less than what the Pens gave up to get him.

Yeah a guy like Guentzel would cost more, should the Penguins have gave up even more picks and prospects to get a higher end winger cause that was my point in the comparison?

Kreider is on pace for like 8 more points then Zucker is, if he'd cost more to acquire would that have been a better trade to make? Giving up more for a UFA winger who isn't producing much more then the guy with three more seasons of term isn't a smart use of assets.

I stand by what I said, the Pens did well in the Zucker trade.